npp is causing depression what can i do?

[tinyshrek]

Increased immobility time does not necessarily correlate with depression just because they use that to test for depression, that is one of many and has many variables as you can see that article is very vague. Which brings me to my next question, has any felt depressed on winny??? Dry joints, body aches maybe. Depression, nope

 

[teezhay]

Increased immobility time does not necessarily correlate with depression just because they use that to test for depression, that is one of many and has many variables as you can see that article is very vague. Which brings me to my next question, has any felt depressed on winny??? Dry joints, body aches maybe. Depression, nope

With all due respect, you're talking out of your ass, and I don't think you actually read the study as you didn't really even begin to address it. For one, the forced swimming test is one of the most widely-accepted behavioral testing procedures for screening antidepressants, and any controversy it carries largely dissipates when multiple subjects are observed under the same controls (only using one rat opens a large window of anomalous explanations). Secondly, this wasn't the only benchmark used for observing characteristics of depression - not even close. Scientists also observed the brain activity of subjects, finding the following:

AAS treatment reduced levels of brain-derived neurotrophic factor in the hippocampus and prefrontal cortex, reduced the expression of low-affinity glucocorticoid receptors in the hippocampus, and increased morning trough basal plasma corticosterone levels. All these changes have been related to the pathophysiology of major depressive disorder.​

So major changes in the brain occur, all associated with depressive disorder. A qualitative behavioral test is conducted, and the results are consistent with depression as well. All of this indicates it is a real potential side effect, and your own anecdotal experience with nandrolone is irrelevant. If we're going to have a serious discussion about AAS, and get rid of the retarded Don Hooton type idiots out there, then we need to be completely unbiased and objective in our honesty. We're not going to win the debate over AAS by claiming various side effects don't exist at all. The debate will be won by informing the public, and demonstrating that while risks exist, they can and should be mitigated, if not eliminated altogether. Whether it's gyno, acne, testicular atrophy, or depression disorder, there are preventative measures and treatments available to make AAS use safe, exciting, and rewarding. It's imperative we emphasize that at all times, because denying the existence of risks at all is a losing strategy.

 

[tinyshrek]

Good point, I've learned something today. Have you ever known anyone to get depressed off NPP or Winny?

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

Which brings me to my next question, has any felt depressed on winny??? Dry joints, body aches maybe. Depression, nope

That literally has NOTHING to do with the topic at all.

Different drugs do different things to different people. FACT. Some people get anxiety and insomnia like a mother fucker on tren..I do, then others don't get any of that. Yes it's more common than this but that's not to say there may not be something to it.

Dudes be running gear twice as long as you according to him so your argument that no one says "this about this" holds no bearing.

 

[sonofsam1975]

dont stop the npp use less start using test propionate or cyp this happens with deca you stop your testosterone levels to low .you'll be ok just start the test till you feel better then stop the npp

 

[tinyshrek]

That literally has NOTHING to do with the topic at all.

Different drugs do different things to different people. FACT. Some people get anxiety and insomnia like a mother fucker on tren..I do, then others don't get any of that. Yes it's more common than this but that's not to say there may not be something to it.

Dudes be running gear twice as long as you according to him so your argument that no one says "this about this" holds no bearing.

Read the study fuck stick it said stanozol and nandrolone

 

[tinyshrek]

So teezhay, do you think AAS can permanently change the way the brain works? Just picking your brain here bro. You posted some great info.

 

[BIGBEN2011]

yea tiny was way off saying what he said but he did say he learned somthing today thats all ways good and to the dude that said start runing test dude read my op i have been arround this for over 20 years i run test with everything i am running 600mg of hg test e i think i may bumb it up to 800 or 900 mg and lower my npp dose just a little and up my ai dose.i am really doing much better it was really just a couple day thing it has pass.i am all so wondering if it had anything to do with my pining only m,w,f a lot of people pin npp ed or eod so idk.

 

[tinyshrek]

I can admit when I'm wrong I ain't no scientist but, still the first time I've heard of this

 

[teezhay]

So teezhay, do you think AAS can permanently change the way the brain works? Just picking your brain here bro. You posted some great info.

I've never read anything correlating anabolic steroids with permanent brain injury. And that word "permanent" is an important distinction to make in the discussion of AAS. Every cautionary video you watched in health class growing up probably talked in length about testicular shrinkage, gyno, acne, increased aggression sensationalized as "roid rage", etc. But what they don't tell you is that all of those fall into at least one of three categories: (a) are temporary and dissipate with time; (b) are preventable if a simple precaution is taken; (c) are treatable if/when they appear.

The anti-steroid agenda relies HEAVILY on equating steroids to other controlled substances like methamphetamine or heroin, in that they carry permanent detrimental consequences. When Congress subpoenaed the FDA, DEA, and AMA to testify on the effects and ramifications of anabolic steroids, all three groups argued that steroids were NOT like other drugs of abuse, did NOT possess any of the classical characteristics of "addiction", and should NOT be banned. But Congress banned them anyway, and the government has supported a campaign ever since to associate steroids with every negative stigma one could possibly associate with a chemical compound. But now it's 2012, and there's a segment of the population who look great, have more medical tests done to monitor the health of their internal organs than anyone else on the planet, and are fully prepared to demonstrate that we know enough about these compounds to use them safely, mitigate the risks, and largely limit the health-related effects to that which is rewarding.

And the fact that it's not uncommon to see commercials for testosterone gel, and mainstream print advertisements for hormone replacement therapy indicates that we're winning.

 

[tinyshrek]

Ya def knew that.. Feds..

 

[malk]

Recently run npp 200mg a week,and was great for joints at that dose for me, great med...

 

[adwal99]

hey guys i been running 600mg aweek of test e and 300mg a week of npp been pinning m,w,f it is working great result wise mainly just using it for the joint help and it has been working .but now it is causing me to be sad and depressed.i am using a ai but i am not using caber because of the low dose i was using of npp.so my guestion is should i drop the dose even lower or add caber or just stop the npp all together.i only have about 900mg of npp left.but later i was going to switch the npp out with tren a.so what causes depression from npp and is there any thing that helps it.thanks

Just roll tren instead!

 

[tinyshrek]

Adwal will run tren whenever wherever I love it!

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

Read the study fuck stick it said stanozol and nandrolone

Homo rage^

 

[tinyshrek]

Homo rage^

sorry brother my bad

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

It's ok man... I wasn't about to read that whole study lmao.... That was my bad there sir

 

[monsterm]

This is my first post on this forum, simply because I'm amazed at how ignorant some of these "elite" members act with their advice.

Progesterone based AAS CAN CAUSE DEPRESSION. Why? Because the prolactin build up counteracts the feeling of dopamine. Dopamine keeps you motivated, energetic, driven, interested, and sexual. An imbalance of dopamine levels can easily cause you to feel depressed, low sex drive, and emotionless.

Iv used:

masteron, halo, test-p/e/c, anavar, superdrol, dbol, and many other DHT based products and always feel amazing. However, my first, and only run with NPP made me feel TERRIBLE. I ran 350mg/wk along with 1g of test prop, 1g of masteron. Tons of DHT, the whole 3:1 ratio exceeded. Didn't do shit. Felt terrible, no desire to get out of the house and live life, and super low sex drive. Why? Because prolactin build up.

Just because you have "been in the game for 10 years" does not make you a genius. Its hilarious how these bodybuilders think they know everything about gear just because they have used the gear. Everyone responds differently.


To the OP, try out carbergoline, i'm interested to see your results. I'm about to start back on the NPP again this week, now that I have cabergoline, and I'm determined to conquer the NPP and enjoy it with a dopamine agonist.

 

[monsterm]

Additionally, I want to comment that it IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that long term use of steroids can cause a significant change in your brain chemstry.

DHT leads to an increase in dopamine which is why we have a higher sex drive on DHT based AAS. Too much high dosage is going to eventually lead to DOWNREGULATION at the dopamine receptors. This could explain why using say, 1g of test, in relation to your progestin isn't going to counteract the side effects....simply because your brain is "used" to 1g of test. Same reason people that smoke, smoke a pack a day. Obvious.

This may contribute to why some people may need cabergoline and others do not.

 

[tinyshrek]

Lots of here say... Just like me. It's all, well this COULD cause that blah blah. Bottom line is if ur prone to depression for whatever reason, hormone changes are only gonna make it worse

 

[BIGBEN2011]

just to update i ended up loving npp i should have got some caber because it did cause some depresssion but it was not bad and was short lived.the results i got where great.i wish like hell it was easier and cheaper to get ahold of some caber.i just started tren a going to see how i respond to that.but for me npp result wise is the best gear i have ever so far.

 

[tinyshrek]

Hmmmmm.... I'm just leave this one at a "no comment". Great to here it by the way bro. Knew you would pull through

 

[DOBE]

I think caber is definitely the way to go with the 19 nors especially with tren, if its too expensive and your looking for some joint relief you could always go with good ole eq.

 

[BIGBEN2011]

i like npp way way more than eq i did not respond very well to eq and i ran it for like 18 weeks i did get results but not much more than i get off just test.npp works faster and better results and i allso good on the joints.but next time i run it i will run some caber along with it even thou it is not a have to.

 

[superman39]

The depression could be due to low testosterone levels. I know you're running test but double check and take blood test done to confirm. The NPP will get you depressed during PCT only. 19nor steroid will shut you down good,so be ready for PCT.

 

[Digitalash]

Lots of here say... Just like me. It's all, well this COULD cause that blah blah. Bottom line is if ur prone to depression for whatever reason, hormone changes are only gonna make it worse

I wouldn't say thats always true, since starting to cruise/self administer TRT my depression issues have all but disappeared. I may have had low test to begin with I'm not sure, but I am definitely on the high end of the "normal" range now and I feel better. I wouldn't say it's a complete cure as it may have something to do with life changes during this time, improved sex life, more confidence etc. but I think the hormonal aspect itself has alot to do with it.

As far as npp causing depression I would agree it is probably prolactin related, running caber should resolve it. If not then its possible you're just prone to that particular side effect. I think my mood was a bit low sometimes running deca compared to just test but it may have been placebo. I generally feel better on just a good dose of test by itself than by adding anything extra, with the possible exception of proviron

 

[owwwch]

i been in the game for over 20 years.

with this being said, and the questions you are asking, you obviously havent done your homework.. obviously if something isnt giving you positive results, drop it out of the mix. dont take something else to mask it. your body can only handle but so much

 

[BIGBEN2011]

please dont bump old post when you a dumb fuck.wtf are you talking about.

 

[DOBE]

The depression could be due to low testosterone levels. I know you're running test but double check and take blood test done to confirm. The NPP will get you depressed during PCT only. 19nor steroid will shut you down good,so be ready for PCT.

Hell yeah. I once did a 3 month cycle of test deca and a-bombs, shut me down so hard I thought the boys skipped town for good! took me about a year to fully recover from that debacle. Now I wont go near that shit without HCG throughout the entire cycle.

 

[Tris10]

You say you've been in the game for 20 years but you don't know where to get any caber....?? Lol