Obamacare Website to be Shut Down for Repairs

[jay_steel]

^^^ both parties need to be strung out and lynched. Independent or libertarian is the way to go. Some one with out a type of business agenda.

A neutral party this is not controlled by lobbyists...

 

[jagbender]

[h=1]DON'T BUY THE MEDIA SPIN: THE SHUTDOWN IS KILLING OBAMACARE[/h]

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by JOHN NOLTE 10 Oct 2013 550POST A COMMENT

[h=2]I love a defunding fight as much as anyone, but I really want to see ObamaCare get a stake through its heart via widespread civil disobedience. If people refuse to sign up for ObamaCare, the program collapses. Nothing would be more satisfying than to see ObamaCare go the way of Prohibition (without the violence): as something else that pushed the wonderfully unruly American people too far.[/h]Contrary to what the media are telling you, the shutdown is not helping ObamaCare. Again and again, conservatives have been taunted by the media with the cry of, "If you hadn't shut down the government, we'd be covering the ObamaCare launch debacle."
Huh?
The media are covering the ObamaCare launch debacle, and the coverage is the Obama administration's worst nightmare because the shutdown has made it impossible for the White House to come up with a plan that would instruct the media in how to mitigate the damage.
You see, if there was no shutdown, the media coverage of the launch would not be anywhere as negative for the White House as it is now, and here is why?
1. The White House Can't Do Damage Control - Right now the media and the White House are covering the ObamaCare launch debacle in stark, one-dimensional terms: It is an expensive, disappointing, big government debacle. Both are too overwhelmed to figure out a way to make it look less worse, which we all know would happen if they had the time and resources.
2. The White House Can't Gameplan a Plan B - While the administration obviously bungled the launch, when it comes to cleaning up a mess, this White House can usually move pretty fast. This time the White House can't. They and the media are too bogged down in the shutdown. With some breathing room, the White House might have been able to set up a massive call center staffed with volunteers -- something, anything to get people signed up. But even if they do, there is just no media space available to spread the word.
3. White House Can't Reassure Anyone - If the shutdown wasn't gobbling up White House resources and media space, the administration could fan out its supporters to reassure those interested in signing up for ObamaCare that things are going to get better and that the problems are aggressively being worked on. Instead, all potential enrollees are seeing is error messages and all they are hearing is bad news.
4. White House Can't Spin the Sticker Shock - If anything brings down ObamaCare, it will be sticker shock. For four years, Obama, Democrats, and the media have been lying to the American people about the cost of ObamaCare. On top of adding $2.6 trillion to our deficit, individuals are facing shockingly high premiums and premium increases. This, after being lied to again and again about cheaper premiums. I'm not sure how the White House and its media would spin their way out of this, but heaven knows if they had the time and resources, they would find a way. After all, this is the same media that turned Obama's Libya debacle into a campaign problem for Mitt Romney.
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The bottom line to ObamaCare's success or failure is the number of enrollees paying into the system. In its first year, ObamaCare needs seven million enrollees, three million of them healthy and under age 35.
If those numbers aren't met, the program is a failure, the disapproval ratings increase, and the chances of ObamaCare slowly being killed increase.
ObamaCare is the president's baby, his only significant accomplishment, his only hope for a legacy -- it is burning down before his eyes and he is helpless to do anything to shape the all-important first impression.
Throughout Obama's time in the spotlight, this is the only time I have ever witnessed anything he has bungled receiving only harshly negative coverage. It's a bloodbath because the shutdown is taking up all the space that would normally be used for spin and lies.

 

[jay_steel]

Reservists might now be able to drill this weekend so that pulls funds out of my wallet. The money isnt a big deal to me but i have jr sailors that depend on the extra few hundred $.

 

[Bowden]

I am totally on board with that. I am not disagreeing with your belief that the government should fuck off. But, they already got involved and made a fucking mess. Now the mess must be fixed. Legally, hospitals must treat a person even if they have no money or insurance. That is the issue right there. Most Americans have decided that it is morally correct to save a person's life even if it cost money that the person doesn't have. However, by doing so, the people who can pay have to pay more.
That is an infringement of "liberty" onto the people who are already paying their fair share. Liberty is almost a commodity or a finite resource. To give liberty to one person, you have to take it from another. This is because human beings rarely ever agree on any fucking thing. Liberty for all is a logical fallacy. Your idea of liberty doesn't exist.

Fags want liberty to marry. Christians want liberty to impose their idea of Gods will back onto the fags. In this situation, liberty can only be granted to one group. This is a very simplistic example, but you should be able to see how that applies to everything. You want the liberty to not buy insurance. Bowden wants the liberty to pay only for his healthcare, not his and the low income family?s healthcare down the street. Both of you cannot be granted liberty and freedom to do what you want. This has nothing to do with Obama forcing people to do shit. This is about remedying a situation that is fucked and growing more fucked at an exponential rate the longer we go on without making adjustments.

Wrong.
Bowden wants freeloaders that could afford to buy health care insurance but do not so that they can buy cellphones and have cellphone accounts, cable television subscriptions, buy internet access ect. to start paying for their own healthcare insurance rather than Bowden paying higher healthcare insurance premiums and health care costs due to hospitals shifting costs to Bowden from those that could afford to pay for their own healthcare insurance but do not.

I used to work in the healthcare industry in financial areas and I know exactly as to how hospitals shift costs to paying patients to compensate for the uninsured.
Insured people that think that they are not financially impacted by paying higher health insurance premiums and health care care costs due to cost shifting as to uninsured patients have no clue as to the reality of the situation.

 

[caedus]

Wrong.
Bowden wants freeloaders that could afford to buy health care insurance but do not so that they can buy cellphones and have cellphone accounts, cable television subscriptions, buy internet access ect. to start paying for their own healthcare insurance rather than Bowden paying higher healthcare insurance premiums and health care costs due to hospitals shifting costs to Bowden from those that could afford to pay for their own healthcare insurance but do not.

I used to work in the healthcare industry in financial areas and I know exactly as to how hospitals shift costs to paying patients to compensate for the uninsured.
Insured people that think that they are not financially impacted by paying higher health insurance premiums and health care care costs due to cost shifting as to uninsured patients have no clue as to the reality of the situation.

"May the force be with you all"

 

[oufinny]

^^^ both parties need to be strung out and lynched. Independent or libertarian is the way to go. Some one with out a type of business agenda.

A neutral party this is not controlled by lobbyists...

Those in power have nearly assured this won't happen. With the Citizens United decision that was the nail in the coffin for an end to legal bribery, now everyone in Washington is bought and traded by special interests, donors, lobbyists on K street and their own warped perception that is surely formed by bad information force fed to them. And the fact that there are no strict term limits provides no incentive to take risks or even try, just do enough to get elected again.