how do i start my own forum? I have 62 Olympic weightlifting links and I want to put them on a seperate page. Or would you guys just prefer I put them all together on this forum?
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Olympic Lifting (amazing lifts)
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ubercoach
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P-funk puts me in a funk...
P-funk,
Where would you suggest we begin? There is no professional Weightlifting tour, no prize money and precious little support from corporate America, so we have no money. So what do you suggest? How would you grow the sport? I've been doing Olympic lifting since 1970 and I'm still learning. But that doesn't mean new people shouldn't start learning to lift and to coach lifting. And none of our students leave thinking they're ready to do anything but get their athletes started. Everyone recognizes that Weightlifting is very technical. One of the best ways to learn a thing is to attempt to teach it to others and then review the videos and textbooks, and then teach it some more...
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
-Lao-tzu, The Way of Lao-tzu
You have to start somewhere, right? Moreover there is substantial support for the rookie coach. Books, seminars, videos and whatever mentoring USA Weightlifting can provide. Obviously we can't all be mentored by Burgener, but any learning curve is better than none.
This is not one of the brightest comments you've ever made:
"It was amazing to see the number of people in the class that didn't even know how to squat...let alone do anything close to a clean or a snatch. Yet, those people are certified to coach the lifts. Pretty strange if you ask me. USAW has to make money I guess.[/QUOTE]"
One of the better Weightlifting coaches in the country is in a wheelchair. Can't lift himself out of it, much less squat. He has MS. The best athletes are often NOT the best coaches. Too many great athletes have so much inate ability that they do not analyse technique, understand psychology (schedules of reinforcement, for example) or grasp periodized (systematic, long term training), because they never had to work that hard at it to develop skills. The USA Basketball Team is an apocrphyal example of highly skilled ahtletes that can't play together as a team. I was coaching Weightlifting long before I got certified. Conversely, the knucklehead who was supposed to be strength training the Men's Nation Volleyball Team had a Masters in Ex Phys and didn't know his ass from applebutter about how to train athletes, much less elite athletes. When I started training the team there was an immediate reduction in injury rates and rapid improvement in athleticism. However, although I couldn't hang with my athletes as a volleyball player, I was able to help improve their skills, because I had been a student of the game for 25 yrs, I was able to help improve technique. By altering his swing mechanics I was able to improve the jump serve of the best vollyball player in the world, even though he already had two Gold medals, because I saw a flaw in his swing.
Anyway, you've got the picture.
Dogging USA Weightlifting's efforts to spread the faith is counterproductive. Encouragement is not, so stop being so damned cynical and send somebody to the course!
"USAW has to make money I guess."
Hell yes we need the money! All babies must eat! and we gotta pay the rent!
You guess?
Ubercoach
P-funk,
Where would you suggest we begin? There is no professional Weightlifting tour, no prize money and precious little support from corporate America, so we have no money. So what do you suggest? How would you grow the sport? I've been doing Olympic lifting since 1970 and I'm still learning. But that doesn't mean new people shouldn't start learning to lift and to coach lifting. And none of our students leave thinking they're ready to do anything but get their athletes started. Everyone recognizes that Weightlifting is very technical. One of the best ways to learn a thing is to attempt to teach it to others and then review the videos and textbooks, and then teach it some more...
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
-Lao-tzu, The Way of Lao-tzu
You have to start somewhere, right? Moreover there is substantial support for the rookie coach. Books, seminars, videos and whatever mentoring USA Weightlifting can provide. Obviously we can't all be mentored by Burgener, but any learning curve is better than none.
This is not one of the brightest comments you've ever made:
"It was amazing to see the number of people in the class that didn't even know how to squat...let alone do anything close to a clean or a snatch. Yet, those people are certified to coach the lifts. Pretty strange if you ask me. USAW has to make money I guess.[/QUOTE]"
One of the better Weightlifting coaches in the country is in a wheelchair. Can't lift himself out of it, much less squat. He has MS. The best athletes are often NOT the best coaches. Too many great athletes have so much inate ability that they do not analyse technique, understand psychology (schedules of reinforcement, for example) or grasp periodized (systematic, long term training), because they never had to work that hard at it to develop skills. The USA Basketball Team is an apocrphyal example of highly skilled ahtletes that can't play together as a team. I was coaching Weightlifting long before I got certified. Conversely, the knucklehead who was supposed to be strength training the Men's Nation Volleyball Team had a Masters in Ex Phys and didn't know his ass from applebutter about how to train athletes, much less elite athletes. When I started training the team there was an immediate reduction in injury rates and rapid improvement in athleticism. However, although I couldn't hang with my athletes as a volleyball player, I was able to help improve their skills, because I had been a student of the game for 25 yrs, I was able to help improve technique. By altering his swing mechanics I was able to improve the jump serve of the best vollyball player in the world, even though he already had two Gold medals, because I saw a flaw in his swing.
Anyway, you've got the picture.
Dogging USA Weightlifting's efforts to spread the faith is counterproductive. Encouragement is not, so stop being so damned cynical and send somebody to the course!
"USAW has to make money I guess."
Hell yes we need the money! All babies must eat! and we gotta pay the rent!
You guess?
Ubercoach
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I see your point and I have thought about this too. Where do they start?
it is difficult. I don't have all the answers to that one. But, I do know that having telling someone they are ready to coach someone else after a weekend certification class is silly. Especially something as complex as this. It is like saying, take a weekend course in NFL football and you are ready to coach the team.....So much for learning and studying! Why take years when you can do it in a weekend?
USAW should try to target kids in high school, through weightlifting classes. How many of these classes are shit and poorly run...kids go in and do chest and Bis and maybe leg press 3x's a week. Maybe they could get a coach out there 3x's a week to work with the kids and teach proper lifting?
I don't know? I don't know how to make it better.
While you are correct and I agree 100% that the best coaches aren't the best athletes (look at Belicheck, Parcells, Weiss....none of them even played football!), I still don't think that one weeked can teach you enough to be able to go back and start applying it to people.
Maybe it needs to be several weekends? Maybe 1 weeked every month for 5 months....go in, learn, let it sink in, go home, study, practice, come back 4 weeks later. At least you can make more money that way.
for the record....I don't say NOT to go to the course. I said that I learned a lot and that I thought it was great. I just don't think that it certified me (or anyone else) to go out and coach those lifts in one weekend. The course is a good learning experience though. You can't find one post where I dogged the material being taught. It might better to have it as something like a teaching class.....not necessarily something that says "Look at me mom! I am certified to teach olympic lifts".
How about just a USAW olympic weightlifting seminar?
ubercoach
Banned Member
P-funk, you young idealist...
like I said, I got into Olympic Weightlifting in 1970. I also have continued to learn since I began coaching with Bergener in 1992. Weightlifting and philosophy are two subjects among many where the learning is life long. Most of the people we've put through the course have a sufficient understanding of the basics to get a prep scholl kid started. Check the requirements for certification as a Senior Coach, way more stringent and requireing that all important ingredient, EXPERIENCE! One must spend some time teaching others to lift and increasing one's technical knowledge. Our serious coaches either spend time at the Regional Training Center or on the computer getting mentored.
Of all the public prep schools in San Diego County, I know of only one that has a proper Weightlifting facility and a knowledgable Weightlifting coach. That's Rancho Buena Vista High where Mike Burgener's the strength coach.
We want Weightlifting in every middle school and high school, but we can't train coaches fast enough because most people don't understand the tremendous benefits Weightlifting provides kids. We've been putting on seminars for coaches since I became an assistant coach at the Training Center. Football coaches would explain in great detail that Weightlifting was "too technical for prep school athletes to learn!" Then we'd have Mike's then 6 yr old daughter come out with a lightweight aluminum bar and demonstrate the snatch and clean and jerk. They don't know how to teach/coach Weightlifting...it's not the kids. And the schools have little or no budget for PE much less proper Weightlifting. Burgener's situation at RBV is a rare exception.
The dearth of qualified Weightlifting coaches is all the more reason to encourage people to take the course, particularly if they coach sports.
UBERCOACH
like I said, I got into Olympic Weightlifting in 1970. I also have continued to learn since I began coaching with Bergener in 1992. Weightlifting and philosophy are two subjects among many where the learning is life long. Most of the people we've put through the course have a sufficient understanding of the basics to get a prep scholl kid started. Check the requirements for certification as a Senior Coach, way more stringent and requireing that all important ingredient, EXPERIENCE! One must spend some time teaching others to lift and increasing one's technical knowledge. Our serious coaches either spend time at the Regional Training Center or on the computer getting mentored.
Of all the public prep schools in San Diego County, I know of only one that has a proper Weightlifting facility and a knowledgable Weightlifting coach. That's Rancho Buena Vista High where Mike Burgener's the strength coach.
We want Weightlifting in every middle school and high school, but we can't train coaches fast enough because most people don't understand the tremendous benefits Weightlifting provides kids. We've been putting on seminars for coaches since I became an assistant coach at the Training Center. Football coaches would explain in great detail that Weightlifting was "too technical for prep school athletes to learn!" Then we'd have Mike's then 6 yr old daughter come out with a lightweight aluminum bar and demonstrate the snatch and clean and jerk. They don't know how to teach/coach Weightlifting...it's not the kids. And the schools have little or no budget for PE much less proper Weightlifting. Burgener's situation at RBV is a rare exception.
The dearth of qualified Weightlifting coaches is all the more reason to encourage people to take the course, particularly if they coach sports.
UBERCOACH
True, and I don't disagree. I think the course is important for people to learn more about the lifts. Like I said, I think it is a good course.
Basically you are proving my point here. Most everyone feels that the lifts are "too technical" to teach. Mike is a great coach. Do you think just anyone could get a 6yr old to peform a snatch or clean and jerk? Especially someone who took a weekend course? Nope. he has experience and understanding. That is why it works. The other gues "don't know how to teach/coach weightlifting...it's not the kids", like you said. Do you think after that weekend class those coaches will then know how to coach or teach weightlifting? Maybe if they took that weekend class several times and worked on studying and understanding it themselves they would, but not after that first week. That is a lot of info and material to grasp to 16hrs (2 eight hour days). Plus, olympic weightlifting....shit, have you seen most high school strength programs? I know you guys run a tight ship and I think it is great what you do and we need more training programs like yours, but, most coaches don't have a clue! I was talking to my friend last night who is a strength coach for a high school football team and he told me he was talking to the track coach and the guy was like "no, we don't lift weights. we don't need that." People have no clue about weight training, let alone olympic weightlifting!
ubercoach
Banned Member
So how do you spread the word?
Get more people in the classroom. Demystify the subject, it isn't rocket science. Give coaches some practical experience. Your thesis that you have to be a Mike Burgener to teach kids in invalid. Any reasonably intelligent person can learn to teach the basics of Weightlifting after the course. I have 14 yrs of anecdotal evidence to support that. Come to our California State High School Clean and Jerk contest. Mater Dei brings 6 coaches and over a hundred kids. That started with one coach at Mater Dei getting certified. We have dozens of schools and dozens of coaches who've trained hundreds of kids, from football players to cheerleaders, that compete in our annual C&J contest. Those hundreds of kids were taught Weightlifting by the dozens of coaches we put through the Coaches Course.
You are proving my thesis when you decry the lack of proper strength training at the prep school level. Get 'em in the Course so they can get Weightlifting religion and spread the gospel! Olympic Weightlifting is how you increase joint integrity, joint range of motion, joint strength, stabilize the core, become bigger, stronger and much more powerful! What every prep school student needs! And it all starts with getting people to take the Coaches Course.
Ubercoach
Get more people in the classroom. Demystify the subject, it isn't rocket science. Give coaches some practical experience. Your thesis that you have to be a Mike Burgener to teach kids in invalid. Any reasonably intelligent person can learn to teach the basics of Weightlifting after the course. I have 14 yrs of anecdotal evidence to support that. Come to our California State High School Clean and Jerk contest. Mater Dei brings 6 coaches and over a hundred kids. That started with one coach at Mater Dei getting certified. We have dozens of schools and dozens of coaches who've trained hundreds of kids, from football players to cheerleaders, that compete in our annual C&J contest. Those hundreds of kids were taught Weightlifting by the dozens of coaches we put through the Coaches Course.
You are proving my thesis when you decry the lack of proper strength training at the prep school level. Get 'em in the Course so they can get Weightlifting religion and spread the gospel! Olympic Weightlifting is how you increase joint integrity, joint range of motion, joint strength, stabilize the core, become bigger, stronger and much more powerful! What every prep school student needs! And it all starts with getting people to take the Coaches Course.
Ubercoach
Like I said, I think people should take the course. I think it is a great course. I just don't feel that it qualify's anyone to really teach anything....unless they have some background and understanding.
How do you spread the word:
1) get people out into schools to coach and teach kids how to lift.
2) those high school kids practice and learn and get better and develop and understanding of exercise.
3) those high school kids then become the teachers of the future. No certification necessary....they have developed an understanding after learning and practicing the discpline themselves.
the idea that one has to be certified is silly. just have a USAW olympic weightlifting course....people will come, learn, and then, go home, and when they feel comfortable with it all, get out there and coach others......instead of saying "okay, you are certfied to get out there and run with it!"
It is like the glut of half assed trainers in the world, who get certified and think that they can train other people. Does that certification really certify them to do anything? Not really.
ubercoach
Banned Member
P-funk,
Now you'e pissing me off. You've made the same complaint about "Certification" repeatedly now so shut the fuck up! You have no alternative plan to grow Weightlifting but you continue to whine that, in your opinion, the course isn't enough. No shit! But you continue to whine in spite of the powerful evidence that the program works because you can't get over the certification. I've got news for you, in this country there is only one national governing certification agency and they have certified only ONE organization to certify in the field of fitness, and that would be the NSCA. So does that mean your certifications are worthless? Pretty much. Does it matter in the real world? Not really. So unless you have something of a positve, constructive nature to propose, that we didn't think of before you were born, then shut up!
Ubercoach
Now you'e pissing me off. You've made the same complaint about "Certification" repeatedly now so shut the fuck up! You have no alternative plan to grow Weightlifting but you continue to whine that, in your opinion, the course isn't enough. No shit! But you continue to whine in spite of the powerful evidence that the program works because you can't get over the certification. I've got news for you, in this country there is only one national governing certification agency and they have certified only ONE organization to certify in the field of fitness, and that would be the NSCA. So does that mean your certifications are worthless? Pretty much. Does it matter in the real world? Not really. So unless you have something of a positve, constructive nature to propose, that we didn't think of before you were born, then shut up!
Ubercoach
I am not whining about it. You are the one that is whining. I am just stating a fact that you agreed with:
I believe in my last post I gave a way in which you could get people involved in olympic weightlifting. I don't know why it isn't done more. More workshops for the athletes in high schools. Most high school coaches don't know about this stuff. That was/is my idea, and I am sure it has been an idea that has been bounced around before.
I think to coach weightlifting you need some lifting experience in order to demonstrate technique to students. Some knowledge of routines which work would also help and some nutritional knowledge which people tend to underestimate, especially in the UK. It all depends on the level of the lifter being taught but a good coach should make themselves redundant.
I???m being coached by a guy from Iran who came to the UK to, study and lift weights. I walked up to him and asked him to coach me. He said ok and coached me for free and did not expect anything in return. I guess I was extremely lucky to meet him as he is a rare type in the UK.
I???m being coached by a guy from Iran who came to the UK to, study and lift weights. I walked up to him and asked him to coach me. He said ok and coached me for free and did not expect anything in return. I guess I was extremely lucky to meet him as he is a rare type in the UK.
I agree 100%.
wow, he's just stating his opinion...and his opinion is based on sound reasoning. Accept it for what it is...I doubt him voicing his opinion on one internet forum will have a negative impact on the industry.
hes coaching you for free
I know a few people that will coach you in olympic lifting for free. that is how they give back to the sport. they get youth interested in it by coaching them for free and getting interested in competing. It is pretty cool.
the thing is, i am not even being negative about the class. I said it was a great experience and I learned a lot.
....whatever
Exactly, people who love their sport will coach it for free especially when their sport is not so popular in that country in order to increase its popularity. Also he's a great guy!
heres a link to my thread with all 62 links
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?p=1469341#post1469341
there were loads of other WL vids but they were deemed unworthy.
I have a coaching tip:
Before competition listen to The Rocky theme tune (Eye of the Tiger), Van Halen (Jump), Europe (The Final Countdown) and AC/DC (Who Made Who/Thunderstruck). It worked for me!!! I got silver!
oh did i mention this 80kg snatch@79.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmsuzIFlhIY
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Sorry, here is the link to the Thread with over 62 weightlifting links.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=71561
In the other Thread half of the links don't work because I made a mistake. I asked for that thread to be deleted.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=71561
In the other Thread half of the links don't work because I made a mistake. I asked for that thread to be deleted.
Were there any light or middle weights at this competition? If so do you have vids of them? I have a habit of doing what Peter Stetsiuk does which is bending my elbows during the pull. I think it is compensating for having long arms. Its not good as I believe it will dampen the pulling force exerted onto the bar as it is being pulled.
I like these kind of links because I can save them onto my computer
I like these kind of links because I can save them onto my computer
Holy crap she caught that deep!! I am starting to follow olympic lifting more and more.....the chinese are ridiculously good.
I am actually going to a 2 day strength camp in july, one of the main things we will be doing is learning some of the Olympic Lifts....Can't wait!..
If you don't mind me asking Billie, where about, and which organization? I'm considering attending a seminar for olympic lifting.
Billie7
Registered
Check out bodytribe.com, chip is the one who owns it. This one is in July, but I'm sure he has other ones. The one I am going to is going to have a bootcamp style workout on the second day, which should be fun.
Cool, Thanks.
