orals and liver protection

[futureMrO]

while taking oral steroids or oral anti E drugs is their a possibility that something like milk thistle could weaken their effects ? just kind of wondering ?

 

[anything-goes]

I hate when people ask questions they can just google , isn't that what vic and you told me ?? Send me to anything goes where there are less hypocrites .

 

[futureMrO]

does somebody love me
but maybe i should re-fraise my question for the special needs individuals out there' does anyone have any personal experience with liver protection and negative effects on oral steroids or anti es
p/s i would be carful about naming vic he will put you into the red haha

 

[VictorZ06]

I hate when people ask questions they can just google , isn't that what vic and you told me ?? Send me to anything goes where there are less hypocrites .

This is a question with substance....not a question that asks how to tell time. Get a clue and go play in the kiddie pool...come back after you can define "slin" and "NPP".

MrO....I never heard of any liver protection that would weaken your gains. Besides, even if they did weaken your gains by a fraction....it would still be worth using the liver protection. I would not mind sacrificing 10% of my gains with Liv52 or milk thistle if in fact they did do that. I can in no way shape or form see how that would be possible, but I value my liver. Many people underestimate the strength of what our liver can handle. I knew one dumb ass that ran drol and dbol for 10 weeks straight with NOTHING else. No AI, test, liver protection....nothing. Man got blood work done and all his liver and kidney values were all within normal range. And this fool even drank from time to time.

IMHO, I honestly can't say if Liv52 or milk thistle actually does anything. Milk thistle has not been FDA approved for a reason...I take the shit regardless, but I have no proof that the stuff really works, regardless of all the tests and studies I have read. If your values start to climb, lower your oral dose or cut it out all together. IMHO. I remember comparing liver values to cycles I did using liver protection, and to cycles I ran without liver protection. The difference was ever so minimal.

And for what it's worth, this was a good question. I'm sure others with a clue with chime in.





/V

 

[futureMrO]

^^^ thanks for the great answer man , ya idk how affective milk thistle is but i ran it for my first for weeks of dbol and a week after, if nothing else it gives me a little piece of mind lol

 

[theCaptn']

Liv52DS year round regardless on or off

 

[NoviceAAS]

I belive the only issue with milk thistle is it can elevate estrogen levels slightly.

You absolutely must run some sort of liver protection while taking orals though . Liv52 is a great one but the only way Ive been able to buy it is through the mail.

One of the very best liver protection supliments you can take is N.A.C and you should be able to get that in any health food or vitamin store. As great as it is I have rarely if ever heard anyone in our world mention it but please take my advice and look in to it, it is a fatastic supliment to take.

N-ACETYL CYSTEINE: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions and Warnings - WebMD

 

[1HungLo]

Iron Mag Labs Advance Cycle support has NAC and milk thistle as well as other goodies to help protect the liver. Two a day should keep the Dr away.

 

[ElitePeptides]

Been reading lots of studies about Tudca for liver support. A tad expensive but worth the $ from the research I've read. I've yet to personally try it.

 

[jay_steel]

i just drink 6 ounces of pure 100% cranberry juice mixed with a liter of water everyday. Works for me and my blood work proves it.

 

[Kirk B]

I gained 16lbs in 2 weeks i take liv 52 and milk thistle everyday so no it will not hurt your gains!! and if it did so what your protecting your liver whats more important ?

 

[VictorZ06]

I gained 16lbs in 2 weeks i take liv 52 and milk thistle everyday so no it will not hurt your gains!! and if it did so what your protecting your liver whats more important ?

My point exactly.




/V

 

[Rdub9281]

This is a question with substance....not a question that asks how to tell time. Get a clue and go play in the kiddie pool...come back after you can define "slin" and "NPP".

MrO....I never heard of any liver protection that would weaken your gains. Besides, even if they did weaken your gains by a fraction....it would still be worth using the liver protection. I would not mind sacrificing 10% of my gains with Liv52 or milk thistle if in fact they did do that. I can in no way shape or form see how that would be possible, but I value my liver. Many people underestimate the strength of what our liver can handle. I knew one dumb ass that ran drol and dbol for 10 weeks straight with NOTHING else. No AI, test, liver protection....nothing. Man got blood work done and all his liver and kidney values were all within normal range. And this fool even drank from time to time.

IMHO, I honestly can't say if Liv52 or milk thistle actually does anything. Milk thistle has not been FDA approved for a reason...I take the shit regardless, but I have no proof that the stuff really works, regardless of all the tests and studies I have read. If your values start to climb, lower your oral dose or cut it out all together. IMHO. I remember comparing liver values to cycles I did using liver protection, and to cycles I ran without liver protection. The difference was ever so minimal.

And for what it's worth, this was a good question. I'm sure others with a clue with chime in.





/V

I seen u said this guy drank, what would that really do if u just drank like 1 day a week on a Saturday while on oral cycles? I asked something similar to this before and got dumb answers and I just wanna know if there's something specific or if it's just like drinking in a pain killer or something like that?


You wanna be the best, you gotta take out the best

 

[VictorZ06]

I seen u said this guy drank, what would that really do if u just drank like 1 day a week on a Saturday while on oral cycles? I asked something similar to this before and got dumb answers and I just wanna know if there's something specific or if it's just like drinking in a pain killer or something like that?


You wanna be the best, you gotta take out the best

I really don't know how much he drank, but I always used to see him at our local bar with a beer in his hand. He was one of those guys that was scared to pin....so ran a shit load of orals. If I recall, he was running 100mg of dbol & 100mg of drol. How much he drank? I can't say. Sorry bro.





/V

 

[Rdub9281]

Ic, well I'm kinda the same way gonna start oraly in January I think, and I put a thread on here about drinking on cycles, and got tore up. All I meant is will it have a direct effect, like everyone knows not to drink on pain meds, I was asking if it was like tht, have life long effects on ur body from mixing with the supplement, or just not recommended, know what I'm saying? I'm not an idiot I just didn't kno if while I was on my 4 week cycle of the oral, if I could drink 1-2 days a week on it.


You wanna be the best, you gotta take out the best

 

[Vision]

I will say this one time and please heed my advise, I can provide backing and studies to prove as well, but spare me the time..

Liver sups do absolutely NOTHING.. these are just herbal blends and nothing more, just extracts of some of the products that medical practice may use, but in such a small fraction...
The only liver protection sup on the market that will do anything is used in the pharmaceutical/medical practice..

save your money... just give your body and brake,as the liver is extremely resilient with one of its most pronounced functions "regenerate and rejuvenate it's self "

Orals+moderation= healthy liver values/functions

 

[s2h]

I seen u said this guy drank, what would that really do if u just drank like 1 day a week on a Saturday while on oral cycles? I asked something similar to this before and got dumb answers and I just wanna know if there's something specific or if it's just like drinking in a pain killer or something like that?


You wanna be the best, you gotta take out the best

I ran 100-150mg of drol ed for about 6 months straight once...and I drank almost everyday..and got tanked at least 3 of those days...that was 20 years ago and I'm alive with great liver values...I don't recommend this but as Vic said...the liver is a very tough cookie...

Btw there was a study on alcoholics .....like real hard core 1/5th of booze ed alcoholics...and the ones who drank coffee ed had almost zero signs of liver stress....now this was based off of alcohol not steriod use...may or may not be relevant...

 

[futureMrO]

i just drink 6 ounces of pure 100% cranberry juice mixed with a liter of water everyday. Works for me and my blood work proves it.

does it make you piss alot ?