Jeeper said:
How could you possibly know this to be a fact?
Do you have tape recordings of everything Jesus and God have ever said. Dont confuse good points that you make by adding in points that are total crap. No one knows everything that both parties said throughout history.
Hi Jeeper,
I understand where you are coming from.
I can ask you the very same question: HOW do YOU KNOW - how could YOU possibly KNOW this NOT to be a FACT as I have put it forth to others? Do YOU have evidence to the contrary? Unless someone stands before you face-to-face there is no proof and you could even stretch it further and say how do we know, IF tapes and recordings were available, they were not "tainted".... Certainly there is VERY GOOD REASON(S) to QUESTION the claims made by everyone.
I propose to you that my viewpoint is not "crap" as you would have some others think. I feel I am very credible based on the TOTALITY of the facts we do have.
Making this "humorous" - hell ya I have "tapes" AND "visuals" too. Look at it this way, since the "religious types" can CLAIM "whatever", ANYONE else could do the very same.
In the absence of God - HIMSELF - SAYING - HIMSELF, and Christ - HIMSELF - SAYING - HIMSELF before all of us, there is no proof of anything. And you can say, "yes, but you have to have faith..." - well, that is possible BUT people are told Santa Claus is real too or how about the Tooth Fairy... For sure the Bible was written by men, over 40 and over a long period of time - written by human beings, people with their strengths and their weaknesses as with any human being and their personal aggenda(s) - (and in THIS part of the world(!!!!) if you look at it today, and it is NOT any different then it was in the time of Christ, I HIGHLY DOUBT there is ANY credibility with regard to anything that comes out of the Middle East - look at the BULLSHIT that has ALWAYS happened in this area of the world!!!) Bio-Chem says that "silence denotes approval" (HIS words, not mine, but since he and some others here are in the business of "damning others" for their supposed "sins" I think it incumbent upon those being attacked to at least give their side of the subject. I like being as totally objective as is human possible about everything. SEEING things from ALL sides of it TRUTHFULLY AND ACCURATELY AND COMPLETELY. There is no other way to find truth truthfully.
Remember that Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality DO EXIST in Nature and the Natural World and always has and human beings, whether they like it or not, approve of it or not, agree with it or not, that does not change the FACTS. Variation - variety - exists in ALL THINGS in life and in living, Sex and Sexuality is a part of that life and that living.
You raise a good point. Now, you need to see the discussion from ALL sides and do that with a completely open mind. You do display the ability and desire to "ask and seek truthfully". Using common sense here is also imperative.
Take Care, John H.
. it is kind of understandable that you defend your lifestyle. people will be murdered this yr as in yrs past simply for being gay. doesn't happen to heteros a lot. if the bible were only to contain words proven to be said by god or christ it would be an empty book. i could say tomorrow god spoke to me in the night would his words be written down n become another christian law? 
leaders probably claimed to have gotten orders from god a lot simply in order to control the masses. use your heads people.
