Osta RX log with bloodwork

[Vibrant]

Did legs tonight. had a great workout. Weighed myself after my workout and I was pleasantly surprised by the weight gain. I'm up 6-7lbs. I was sweating a lot and I didn't drink a lot, so the weight gain can be higher. I'll try to get a more accurate reading in the next couple days.

I have 2 days left on the osta. During the weekend when I have some time, I'll post up a in depth review with my recommendations.

 

[MakeItMethylated]

Did legs tonight. had a great workout. Weighed myself after my workout and I was pleasantly surprised by the weight gain. I'm up 6-7lbs. I was sweating a lot and I didn't drink a lot, so the weight gain can be higher. I'll try to get a more accurate reading in the next couple days.

I have 2 days left on the osta. During the weekend when I have some time, I'll post up a in depth review with my recommendations.

Sounds great bro lookin forward to the review

 

[_LG_]

Bump. I want your gd review..
And nudes

 

[Vibrant]

Bump. I want your gd review..
And nudes

I'll post it up by tonight or early tomorrow.

Can't do full body nudes but will you settle for a cock pic by pm?

 

[msumuscle]

lol.

Basically, the way that the system works in sports is that if you have a medical condition and a doctor prescribes you medication for it than its ok. it doesn't matter if the med is legal or not, it just has to be prescribed by a doctor. What is not allowed is for you to treat yourself because that would be considered performance enhancing with illegal substances.



I would say about ~3lbs of lbm. I'll give a more accurate number at the end of the week when I weigh myself at the gym. Also, you have to remember that for about 1 1/2 - 2weeks I was in competition mode and I was basically only burning calories during the comp days. I had about 2-3 light maintenance workouts per week during that time. I usually drop weight during comp, so even if I stayed at the same weight, I'd say that would be a positive result.

It was stupid of me not to specify that it would be doctor prescribed, lol obviously they wouldn't allow you to treat yourself. I know you'll never tell us but I'm literally dying to find out what sport you play lol I always wonder, what if this dude's Ben Roethlisberger or something? haha

 

[Vibrant]

Final review & some recommendations

I know a few people have been waiting for my final review on osta. well here it is. I must say that IML has come out with another great addition to their great line of products.


Positive effects I got off osta:


* LBM GAIN- I gained about 6lbs in my 4 week run. Before I started my run, I only expected about 3-4lbs at most because I am a hard gainer and the calories I burn each day due to my sport/training make it very hard to gain weight. I didn't gain any fat even though for about a week & a half, I was in competition and I had to go to a high carb diet for energy. As for water weight, I dont believe Im holding any water because as you can see by my bloodwork, my estrogen stayed pretty much the same. I'll monitor my weight and if anything changes I'll update you guys.


* APPETITE INCREASE- After about 5 days being on osta my appetite increased. I started being hungry all the time. My appetite before starting the osta was a bit low due to coming off pct a few weeks before the osta run.


* INCREASED RECOVERY TIME/ENDURANCE- I definitely noticed that I was as sore from my training on the next day. I also noticed a little bit of more endurance during my training.


* PUMP- During my gym workouts, there was a nice increase in pump during the workout.


Negative sides:

none really. I did get some acne but that doesn't bother me. As you can see by my bloodwork, there was little to none suppression. Yes, my test dropped a little but my LH and FSH stayed about the same in the normal range which leads me to believe that there may be a problem with me.


In conclusion to my review, osta rx is a very good product in my opinion. I'd highly recommend to try osta for yourself.


Some observations/ thoughts/ recommendations:

I'd recommend to anyone planning to run osta to not expect aas like gains/effects. After all its not aas and not in that class. Unlike aas, it doesn't really come with bad sides in my experience. But with good training and diet, 4-8lbs of lbm gain are not unreasonable to expect.

Optimal cycle length I'd say would probably be around 4-8weeks.

I think thats its best to run osta as a standalone product and not part of a cycle. However I may be wrong about this.

Best time to run it imo is either during pct or as a bridge for people cycling gears. For the non geared people, you can run it pretty much anytime.

I'd also have no problem recommending osta to a female but I'd say to start at 1-2caps daily.



well thats about it folks. thanks for following my log and feel free to ask me any questions. buy your osta at: IronMagLabs Bodybuilding Supplements & Prohormones: Osta Rx

Thanks IML

 

[girpy]

Hey Vibrant, just curious what makes you feel that the Osta didn't suppress your test levels? you are (i think) 2 and a half months post cycle, after pct you have a low test level but much higher than this test level......seems like the Osta certainly didn't help your recovery at all, if not delayed it an extra month. just wanted to get your thoughts on it because I am sure a lot of people are considering running this with/right after their PCT.

 

[Vibrant]

Hey Vibrant, just curious what makes you feel that the Osta didn't suppress your test levels? you are (i think) 2 and a half months post cycle, after pct you have a low test level but much higher than this test level......seems like the Osta certainly didn't help your recovery at all, if not delayed it an extra month. just wanted to get your thoughts on it because I am sure a lot of people are considering running this with/right after their PCT.

If you look back to the previous page, it was sort of discussed. My lh and fsh are normal which means I should be producing test but Im not which leads me to believe that the problem may be me unfortunately. However, a sarm may have another mechanism of action that suppresses but that is unlikely imo.

Heavy can probably answer your question better than I can.

 

[girpy]

If you look back to the previous page, it was sort of discussed. My lh and fsh are normal which means I should be producing test but Im not which leads me to believe that the problem may be me unfortunately. However, a sarm may have another mechanism of action that suppresses but that is unlikely imo.

Heavy can probably answer your question better than I can.

yeah saw a little bit talked about, won't even pretend like I know all about how this stuff works but just trying to wrap my head around it. thanks for the reply, looking forward to seeing other loggers bloodwork as well to see if there's any patterns or if its just your body not recovering.

 

[booze]

Thanks for the log mate. Still unconvinced that this doesn't cause some form of suppressing effect on test levels thought.
I'm no expert by if your lh and fsh levels are normal but test levels low doesn't that mean something is wrong with your testes? Hypogonadism perhaps?
If this wasn't suppressive I would love to run it as a bridge between cycles.
Thanks again.

 

[MakeItMethylated]

Great review brother
Starting my cycle tomorrow, can't wait

Did u take the Osta RX on an empty stomache or with food?

I go to the gym before breakfast so I'd like to take it with just a protein shake

Let me know man

Great log helps a lot!

 

[_LG_]

Thanks Vibrant,
I believe I'll run mine in pct coming soon

 

[heavyiron]

If his testes are receiving an LH and FSH signal (which they are) and he is not outputting much T then the testes are likely the issue. However follow up labs would give us a better picture.

 

[Vibrant]

Great review brother
Starting my cycle tomorrow, can't wait

Did u take the Osta RX on an empty stomache or with food?

I go to the gym before breakfast so I'd like to take it with just a protein shake

Let me know man

Great log helps a lot!

I tried both on empty stomach and with food. I didn't really notice any differences other than if I took it on an empty stomach, I would get hungry soon after taking the osta. Basically IMO, you should just try to take it evenly spaced out thru the day.

 

[TwisT]

You could have a vitamin d deficiency or an issue with hypothyroidism... So many things effect T levels in the body, you cant just say "because I have normal LH and no T, my balls are broken". It doesn't work like that, that being very unlikely, never mind the fact that your LH and FSH are both on the very low ends of the range.

If you are really worried about this, get TSH, t3, t4, and vit D included in your next labs. This will rule out other possible causes (most common but not all) then if ranges are normal do a blast cycle of HCG, mimicking LH in the body, and watch your testes responde by producing testosterone. (via a lab within a week of HCG cycle completion) If they dont, then you do have a serious issue on your hands.

Hope this helps
-T

 

[Digitalash]

nice log bro, would it be safe to say it's not really wise to run osta during pct then?



Also in to trade cock pics

 

[Vibrant]

You could have a vitamin d deficiency or an issue with hypothyroidism... So many things effect T levels in the body, you cant just say "because I have normal LH and no T, my balls are broken". It doesn't work like that, that being very unlikely, never mind the fact that your LH and FSH are both on the very low ends of the range.

If you are really worried about this, get TSH, t3, t4, and vit D included in your next labs. This will rule out other possible causes (most common but not all) then if ranges are normal do a blast cycle of HCG, mimicking LH in the body, and watch your testes responde by producing testosterone. (via a lab within a week of HCG cycle completion) If they dont, then you do have a serious issue on your hands.

Hope this helps
-T

It does help. thanks bro. Im looking for an endo to see right now and when I do see the doc, I will ask him to test that as well. you kinda scared me with the serious problem I'll keep everyone updated on what the doc says.

nice log bro, would it be safe to say it's not really wise to run osta during pct then?

Also in to trade cock pics

cant say for sure bro, I'll be trying to find out what the problem is and when I do, maybe things will be more clear.

 

[TwisT]

It does help. thanks bro. Im looking for an endo to see right now and when I do see the doc, I will ask him to test that as well. you kinda scared me with the serious problem I'll keep everyone updated on what the doc says.

I wouldn't sweat it at all, issues like that are very rare. Im sure you are just slightly suppressed and when you stimulate those leydig cells vis HCG of yours they will be pumping test they way they should. You have to really understand that you are STILL PRODUCING 280 ng/dl of test while being extremely low in both LH and FSH. Im sure once you do a proper recovery and produce more acceptable numbers, and you take a break from AAS and that sort of stuff, you will find your test will raise nice and steadily. If there is long term AAS abuse in your past, it will obviously take a bit longer, but will still come. Almost all AAS related suppression can be simply fixed with time.

 

[heavyiron]

It does help. thanks bro. Im looking for an endo to see right now and when I do see the doc, I will ask him to test that as well. you kinda scared me with the serious problem I'll keep everyone updated on what the doc says.



cant say for sure bro, I'll be trying to find out what the problem is and when I do, maybe things will be more clear.

When did you last use AAS?

When did you finish PCT exactly?

What was your PCT?

 

[Vibrant]

I haven't really abused aas IMO. If its aas related suppression, then i'm not too worried. However I still will get myself checked out to make sure its not serious.

Thanks twist.

 

[Vibrant]

When did you last use AAS?

When did you finish PCT exactly?

What was your PCT?

about 12 weeks ago was last aas use.

pct finish was a little over 7 weeks ago.

pct was a blast of 15000iu of hcg before the start of pct. then:

clomid 100/100/75/75/50
nolva 40/20/20/20/20
formerone 1 pump a day

 

[heavyiron]

I would make sure your diet is good and retest hormones in 4-6 weeks with no meds in your system.

 

[Flathead]

Vibrant, that was a top notch write up, we appriciate the feedback!!

 

[Vibrant]

Well, this is kinda bs imo. I call up my family doc and ask for a referral to an endo. She says no problem, just see me this week for a check up. She gives me a list of endo's that take my insurance.

So I start calling them. Earliest that anyone of them can see me is late september?

didn't think that endo's are so booked.

 

[heavyiron]

You might consider a Urologist that specializes in HRT.

 

[heavyiron]

about 12 weeks ago was last aas use.

pct finish was a little over 7 weeks ago.

pct was a blast of 15000iu of hcg before the start of pct. then:

clomid 100/100/75/75/50
nolva 40/20/20/20/20
formerone 1 pump a day

Not sure if there are any studies but since Formerone is a PH that converts to the active androgen 4-hydroxytestosterone that may have androgenic effects that I imagine may have suppressed your LH during PCT.

 

[BIGBEN2011]

so heavy are you saying using formeron as your ai during pct is not a good idea?it has seem to me that you are not real into the formeron as your ai hype like everybody else is i wonder why that is?

 

[Vibrant]

You might consider a Urologist that specializes in HRT.

Thanks, that's a great idea. I think I'll have no problem getting a urologist to see me sooner.

Not sure if there are any studies but since Formerone is a PH that converts to the active androgen 4-hydroxytestosterone that may have androgenic effects that I imagine may have suppressed your LH during PCT.

It's possible. Brundel would probably know if there are some studies on whether formerone is suppressive or not. I'll ask him.

 

[heavyiron]

so heavy are you saying using formeron as your ai during pct is not a good idea?it has seem to me that you are not real into the formeron as your ai hype like everybody else is i wonder why that is?

As an AI it seems fine as long as the carrier is 100% correct. However since it also converts to an androgen that may have a suppressive effect. This effect is likely dose dependent so lower doses may not be suppressive at all though.

Without a study on LH in males it will be hard to say unfortunately.

 

[dsc123]

Vibrant could you let us know what Brundel says about the suppression