Other than your chest, what is the most important muscle to workout for a BIG bench?

[GFR]

well thats a permeating analogy foreman yet once again you prove my earlier point. did I ask you to do my research for me you, no. I aked you to back up whatever dilluded point you think you have with some fact and you found a way to weasle out of that with more clowning around. please tell me how having a bigger pec muscle will increase your max bench press, please tell me what role that plays in a pressing motion. once again I am not talking about recruiting fibers for hypertrophy, I am talking about moving the weight from point A to point B. you can't give me a serious answer that descibes this movement without resulting to insults and child remarks can you. I am waiting

Basic Anatomy and Philology 201......
#1. Look under the " Muscular System" section.
#2. Look under the " Muscles crossing the shoulder joint: movements of the arm" section.
#3. Find the " Pectoralis Major."
#4. Look under " Action"

#5. Read

Feel free to aked anymore questions If you feel the need.

 

[BigDyl]

Basic Anatomy and Philology 201......
#1. Look under the " Muscular System" section.
#2. Look under the " Muscles crossing the shoulder joint: movements of the arm" section.
#3. Find the " Pectoralis Major."
#4. Look under " Action"

#5. Read

Feel free to aked anymore questions If you feel the need.

 

[Flex]

My man Gr81,
don't waste your time trying to get your point across to certain people who are just immature 160lb clowns. You know what you know is correct, and i know what you know is correct. If they can't look at something other than their close-minded, opinion-based opinion, then fuck 'em....They'll never make progress and their tires will just keep spinning in the mud so to speak.

As for the point at hand, my man is correct. There are MANY factors that are important in the bb bench press......back, delts and tri's, genetics, body stature (long/short arms, big/small ribcage etc.) are all just as important as pectoral dev. Not sure if i answered the right question, but i think so.....

And finally, God hand. Do a search of"how to make your chest grow" by yours truly.
Basically states this:
-if you want your chest to grow, learn how to flex it. most people just push weight instead of squeezing it. Once you learn how to squeeze your muscles, it opens up a whole new world.

FLEX

 

[god hand]

My man Gr81,
don't waste your time trying to get your point across to certain people who are just immature 160lb clowns. You know what you know is correct, and i know what you know is correct. If they can't look at something other than their close-minded, opinion-based opinion, then fuck 'em....They'll never make progress and their tires will just keep spinning in the mud so to speak.

As for the point at hand, my man is correct. There are MANY factors that are important in the bb bench press......back, delts and tri's, genetics, body stature (long/short arms, big/small ribcage etc.) are all just as important as pectoral dev. Not sure if i answered the right question, but i think so.....

And finally, God hand. Do a search of"how to make your chest grow" by yours truly.
Basically states this:
-if you want your chest to grow, learn how to flex it. most people just push weight instead of squeezing it. Once you learn how to squeeze your muscles, it opens up a whole new world.

FLEX

Damn you and gr81 just popped out of da blue! And thanks for both of you all advice.

 

[GFR]

My man Gr81, post #93
don't waste your time trying to get your point across to certain people who are just immature 160lb clowns. You know what you know is correct, and i know what you know is correct. If they can't look at something other than their close-minded, opinion-based opinion, then fuck 'em....They'll never make progress and their tires will just keep spinning in the mud so to speak.

As for the point at hand, my man is correct. There are MANY factors that are important in the bb bench press......back, delts and tri's, genetics, body stature (long/short arms, big/small ribcage etc.) are all just as important as pectoral dev. Not sure if i answered the right question, but i think so.....

And finally, God hand. Do a search of"how to make your chest grow" by yours truly.
Basically states this:
-if you want your chest to grow, learn how to flex it. most people just push weight instead of squeezing it. Once you learn how to squeeze your muscles, it opens up a whole new world.

FLEX

My man Gr81, post#89

don't waste your time trying to get your point across to certain people who are just immature 160lb clowns. You know what you know is correct, and i know what you know is correct. If they can't look at something other than their close-minded, opinion-based opinion, then fuck 'em....They'll never make progress and their tires will just keep spinning in the mud so to speak.

As for the point at hand, my man is correct. There are MANY factors that are important in the bb bench press......back, delts and tri's, genetics, body stature (long/short arms, big/small ribcage etc.) are all just as important as pectoral dev. Not sure if i answered the right question, but i think so.....

And finally, God hand. Do a search of"how to make your chest grow" by yours truly.
Basically states this:
-if you want your chest to grow, learn how to flex it. most people just push weight instead of squeezing it. Once you learn how to squeeze your muscles, it opens up a whole new world.

you can say that again

you can say that again

 

[BigDyl]

you can say that again

you can say that again

 

[CowPimp]

The best movements for pectoral development would be movements that don't have a line of pull point straight down. The pectoralis major's primary function is to adduct the arm horizontally across the chest. Therefore, you need a line of pull that is neither horizontal nor vertical, but somewhere in between. I read an article not long ago that suggested a 45 degree angle is the optimal line of pull to place the most emphasis on the pectoralis major.

An example of a movement that provides this type of stimulus would be the low pulley cable bench press. You set up a stand alone bench in between two low cable pulleys. You press upward like in a bench press, but you will notice that the cables are pulling at a 45 degree angle below horizontal, unlike free weights which provide their resistance via gravity, which always acts in the direction of the center of the Earth (Straight down).

 

[BigDyl]

The best movements for pectoral development would be movements that don't have a line of pull point straight down. The pectoralis major's primary function is to adduct the arm horizontally across the chest. Therefore, you need a line of pull that is neither horizontal nor vertical, but somewhere in between. I read an article not long ago that suggested a 45 degree angle is the optimal line of pull to place the most emphasis on the pectoralis major.

An example of a movement that provides this type of stimulus would be the low pulley cable bench press. You set up a stand alone bench in between two low cable pulleys. You press upward like in a bench press, but you will notice that the cables are pulling at a 45 degree angle below horizontal, unlike free weights which provide their resistance via gravity, which always acts in the direction of the center of the Earth (Straight down).

That's one of the most interesting ideas i've heard....

 

[Flex]

you can say that again

you can say that again

another informative post.

keep it up.

 

[CowPimp]

The best movements for pectoral development would be movements that don't have a line of pull point straight down. The pectoralis major's primary function is to adduct the arm horizontally across the chest. Therefore, you need a line of pull that is neither horizontal nor vertical, but somewhere in between. I read an article not long ago that suggested a 45 degree angle is the optimal line of pull to place the most emphasis on the pectoralis major.

An example of a movement that provides this type of stimulus would be the low pulley cable bench press. You set up a stand alone bench in between two low cable pulleys. You press upward like in a bench press, but you will notice that the cables are pulling at a 45 degree angle below horizontal, unlike free weights which provide their resistance via gravity, which always acts in the direction of the center of the Earth (Straight down).[/QUOTEt

That's one of the most interesting ideas i've heard....

It's something I picked up from a T-Nation article a while back. I thought it was a pretty good idea. For some reason it never occured to me to give this a try. This allows you to stimulate the chest in a compound movement that also allows for a natural range of motion with the utiliziation of cables.

 

[god hand]

That's one of the most interesting ideas i've heard....

I must admit that does sounds...........unique.

 

[god hand]

It's something I picked up from a T-Nation article a while back. I thought it was a pretty good idea. For some reason it never occured to me to give this a try. This allows you to stimulate the chest in a compound movement that also allows for a natural range of motion with the utiliziation of cables.

Most people think cables are BS when it comes to growth, what do u think?

 

[GFR]

another informative post.

keep it up.

Could you post this again after 4 or 5 posts by other members.....
It really drives the point home

 

[BigDyl]

Could you post this again after 4 or 5 posts by other members.....
It really drives the point home

 

[CowPimp]

Most people think cables are BS when it comes to growth, what do u think?

I disagree. If anything, cables are superior to other types of machines because they allow for a natural movement as opposed to a fixed movement. Assuming that your routine is not put together with total incompetence, and you are allowing for sufficient recovery time, then diet is really going to be the limiting factor in the bodybuilding world.

 

[P-funk]

Most people think cables are BS when it comes to growth, what do u think?

i think they are great for growth for the same reason hammer strength machines are good. the force velocity curve is on a continuous up. When you lift with a BB say on a bench press you lower the weight, at the bottom you move it and then you get a sticking point at little less then half way up as you place your body in the toughest biomechanical position at that point. Once you clear that sticking point the lock out is easy as shit. With the cables you are never going to have that happen since as you move through the ROM the resistance keeps on getting greater.

 

[BigDyl]

I disagree. If anything, cables are superior to other types of machines because they allow for a natural movement as opposed to a fixed movement. Assuming that your routine is not put together with total incompetence, and you are allowing for sufficient recovery time, then diet is really going to be the limiting factor in the bodybuilding world.

If your not careful this could turn into an argument for a bowflex...

 

[god hand]

i think they are great for growth for the same reason hammer strength machines are good. the force velocity curve is on a continuous up. When you lift with a BB say on a bench press you lower the weight, at the bottom you move it and then you get a sticking point at little less then half way up as you place your body in the toughest biomechanical position at that point. Once you clear that sticking point the lock out is easy as shit. With the cables you are never going to have that happen since as you move through the ROM the resistance keeps on getting greater.

......................................

 

[P-funk]

what?

 

[god hand]

what?

Nothing I'm...................just thinking.

 

[P-funk]

Nothing I'm...................just thinking.

ah....Don't think...do. Just go and do some cabel presses. You will feel what I am talking about.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but to get back to the original question, "What muscle to train besides chest to get a big bench", the answer is you train a movement, not a muscle. Thus, for a big bench you bench.

 

[Flex]

Could you post this again after 4 or 5 posts by other members.....
It really drives the point home

try bodybuilding sometime. ya know, weights, a gym etc....you may like it.

until then, stick to open chat and leave the training thread to people who train.

 

[P-funk]

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but to get back to the original question, "What muscle to train besides chest to get a big bench", the answer is you train a movement, not a muscle. Thus, for a big bench you bench.

bingo. i don't understand what the deabte is over either. it is just because BBing splits have pushed away from the whole "train your movements" way of thinking to "this is a muscle. this is what i do to train it." I don't look as bench as chest. i just look at is as transverse plane push or just upper body push.

 

[BigDyl]

try bodybuilding sometime. ya know, weights, a gym etc....you may like it.

until then, stick to open chat and leave the training thread to people to people who train.

 

[Dale Mabry]

bingo. i don't understand what the deabte is over either. it is just because BBing splits have pushed away from the whole "train your movements" way of thinking to "this is a muscle. this is what i do to train it." I don't look as bench as chest. i just look at is as transverse plane push or just upper body push.

Funny how most people don't realize that by just getting the form down that you can add 50lbs to your bench relatively quickly. I don't get all this BBer training stuff when your goal is strength. I think when it comes down to it, most peeps with 3 or more years of training behind them have pretty much realized most, if not all, of the strength they are going to see from hypertrophy, the rest is al neuromuscular efficiency.

 

[AKIRA]

try bodybuilding sometime. ya know, weights, a gym etc....you may like it.

until then, stick to open chat and leave the training thread to people who train.

I dont like the cocksucker either.
I remember that 19inchpimp guy fucked with him. Hah, that shit was great.

 

[GFR]

try bodybuilding sometime. ya know, weights, a gym etc....you may like it.

until then, stick to open chat and leave the training thread to people who train.

When you can out lift me I might take that advice

 

[CowPimp]

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but to get back to the original question, "What muscle to train besides chest to get a big bench", the answer is you train a movement, not a muscle. Thus, for a big bench you bench.

True enough, although it certainly helps to train body parts which are weak links in the lift. There is some carryover effect to the bench press even when performing a movement like Tate presses. However, the biggest gains do seem to come from movements like board presses, floor presses, bottoms-up presses, pause presses, speed/power training, etc.

 

[Flex]

When you can out lift me I might take that advice

You have to start lifting first in order to be outlifted.