Overweight people using steroids?

[wilgates]

I would guess my body fat is around between 20-27. Do you think i should be considering Test? and Would you recommend DNP instead?

there's no magic drugs out there, just do cardio and lower your carbs and add some EFA like fish oil. DNP can kill you if used incorrectly

 

[wilgates]

usually, abs aren't visible until 12-13%. You're probably closer to 10%, let alone 19%. Smokin crack

Trust me that's 19% bf. I don't do cardio to the point of lowering my bf I don't like to dry out cuz it's hard on the joints being that I lift heavy a lot. deadlifts and squats brings out your core way more than sit ups. It make me LOL when I see the skinny guys in the gym doing abs for 30 mins straight and the on leg day do only 4 set of squats and there done. wouldn't the larger muscle deserve more time under weight?

 

[wilgates]

squat till you drop and deadlift till you puke and through in some sled drags and watch the fat run for its life

 

[ooa4oo]

whats funny about that?

178cm is 5'8

5'10

 

[Nutcracker]

You guys thank you for your advices, and comments i appreciate your time. I guess i will have to review my diet and training program again.

 

[squigader]

The more bodyfat you have, generally the more side effects you'll get from gear because of conversion to estrogens. Drop down to at least 13-5 and then go for it.

 

[Olddawg71]

I diet down to in between 10-15 % before I cycle cuz thats what Ive always been told but I came into the sport under the supervision of bodybuilders. The more I think about it I think that there are plenty of powerlifters who would say this is rubbish and had I come in under them I may have a different outlook.

It has already been said, but coming from the powerlifting side of things I know a whole lot of guys, this one included, that don't buy into the idea that you have to be below some magic number of body fat to cycle. Hell I went from 23% down to 10% BF all on cycle. Just educate yourself and learn how to deal with what ever sides may come up.

Cheers
An Old Dawg

 

[Nutcracker]

i got a lot of info from this post i appreciate all. Thanks!

 

[gearin up]

It has already been said, but coming from the powerlifting side of things I know a whole lot of guys, this one included, that don't buy into the idea that you have to be below some magic number of body fat to cycle. Hell I went from 23% down to 10% BF all on cycle. Just educate yourself and learn how to deal with what ever sides may come up.

Cheers
An Old Dawg

I would imagine that even over 15% there would still have to be a predisposition for certain sides.

On another note this was a good and helpful thread I enjoyed reading as well

 

[colorado]

squat till you drop and deadlift till you puke and through in some sled drags and watch the fat run for its life

Thank you. Half the guys on here talk about how they are the ever popular "12-13%" body fat. In all reality, they are way over 20%.

Just because you can see abs DOES NOT mean that you are even close to 15%

 

[Olddawg71]

I would imagine that even over 15% there would still have to be a predisposition for certain sides.

On another note this was a good and helpful thread I enjoyed reading as well

Sure there is, and you have to be ready to deal with them. When I did that cycle, I was cutting pretty hard and working with a very reputable nutritionist who works with and preps National NPC and a few IFBB pros so he helped me figure it all out and was there to answer my questions and concerns. I did not go into it half assed.

Now as I said and has been said by others, I know a large number of elite powerlifters that cycle a large number of compounds and chew on A bombs like they are candy. Some of these guys walk around at 300lbs +, and get winded walking to the car..LOL.certain sides do not concern them in the least. So be it, it's their lives and health right? Now these are guys at the very high end of the sport so I am not suggesting you follow their protocols or poor attention to side effects like blood pressure and gyno.

Anyway, I am rambling, I hope some of this info was helpful. The short of it all is this, just get as much education as you can, if you can work with or communicate with someone who understands your goals and can help when needed and finally just be careful.

Cheers
An Old Dawg

 

[Olddawg71]

squat till you drop and deadlift till you puke and through in some sled drags and watch the fat run for its life

Words to live by bro

Cheers
An Old Dawg