PCT after 18 month blast/cruise cycle...

[Supertree]

 

[GFR]

Where are your pics, you must be massive after 18 months of steroid use.

 

[dippa66]

I was, before PCT
Dont know how to post pics

 

[nby]

Upload them on Tinypic.com - you'll get a link something like [img ]http://i51.tinypic.com/abcd.jpg[ /img] (without spaces), post that here and it will show the picture you chose.

 

[theboneman]

i just turned 45, and have tried every concoction there is, and after 6-months of steady p.c.t., still nothing, and thats with a zero sperm count, i ran test, doc prescribed for just a coulpe months shy of 2yrs. i have three kids and one was conceived on cycle, but i never thought we would be trying for another one, so i stopped running ancilleries and now it seems impossable to get back on, sloppy hit it on the nose !! after 18 months, a 4 to 6 week pct really aint gonna help much, MAYBE if ya was 27yrs old, but an old dog like me i think is gonna need jumping cables,.

for the record i used, hcg, clomid and nolvadex-d, in different combo;s and im taking some natural things test boosters and stuff thats supposed to have my body kick in, hey if you can help me with any ideas, thank you, hey dippa66, i didnt high jack your thread bro, was just trying to contribute, and maybe get some help seeing im in a shitty situation now.
later, bones

 

[Robalo]

i just turned 45, and have tried every concoction there is, and after 6-months of steady p.c.t., still nothing, and thats with a zero sperm count, i ran test, doc prescribed for just a coulpe months shy of 2yrs. i have three kids and one was conceived on cycle, but i never thought we would be trying for another one, so i stopped running ancilleries and now it seems impossable to get back on, sloppy hit it on the nose !! after 18 months, a 4 to 6 week pct really aint gonna help much, MAYBE if ya was 27yrs old, but an old dog like me i think is gonna need jumping cables,.

for the record i used, hcg, clomid and nolvadex-d, in different combo;s and im taking some natural things test boosters and stuff thats supposed to have my body kick in, hey if you can help me with any ideas, thank you, hey dippa66, i didnt high jack your thread bro, was just trying to contribute, and maybe get some help seeing im in a shitty situation now.
later, bones

Triptorelin

 

[gm09]

after pct try tribulus, d-aspartic acid, and zma. i started these 3 during the middle of my last pct and i honestly thinked it helped and im 25. at 45 these would probably be good for you to run when youre off cycle

 

[theCaptn']

Tribulus is a placebo. Works better on religious folks

 

[dippa66]

Here's what I would do if it were me. Some may disagree, and that's ok.

days 1-10 HCG 1000 iu EOD, 25 mg aromasin ED

4 days after last hcg shot:
Aromasin 25 mg Ed for 2 weeks, then 12.5 for 2 more weeks
Clomid 100 mg ED for 2 weeks, then 50 mg for 2 more weeks
Nolva 20 mg for 6 weeks

then wait a month and get your bloodwork done. This is extremely important.

This is similar to what Dr. Scally does with his patients, plus aromasin. There is tons of debate as to whether nolva is necessary or not. My conclusion is that it definitely doesn't hurt to use it alongside clomid, but some are convinced that it won't help any. I just have a lot of respect for Scally and listen when he gives advice.

Just an update, everything is back to normal !!!
I think the above pct really worked a treat, I did exclude the nolva though, thanks

 

[Digitalash]

that's good to hear bro, are you going on bloodwork or just how you feel? Might be a good idea to get bloods in a few more weeks just to be sure. 18 months and recovered though that's pretty awesome

 

[nby]

Nice man! Got some bloodwork too?

 

[airsealed2]

Here's what I would do if it were me. Some may disagree, and that's ok.

days 1-10 HCG 1000 iu EOD, 25 mg aromasin ED

4 days after last hcg shot:
Aromasin 25 mg Ed for 2 weeks, then 12.5 for 2 more weeks
Clomid 100 mg ED for 2 weeks, then 50 mg for 2 more weeks
Nolva 20 mg for 6 weeks

then wait a month and get your bloodwork done. This is extremely important.

This is similar to what Dr. Scally does with his patients, plus aromasin. There is tons of debate as to whether nolva is necessary or not. My conclusion is that it definitely doesn't hurt to use it alongside clomid, but some are convinced that it won't help any. I just have a lot of respect for Scally and listen when he gives advice.

I like this protocol. I would say the Nolva is definitely a plus. Nolva and Clomid synergize to some extent. Guys who say you only need one aren't wrong. Guys who say it doesn't help to use both are mistaken in my humble opinion. I can probably find the support for that but I don't want to... because I'm lazy.

 

[dippa66]

I'll get bloods in a week or two.

This is my theory for PCT, and why some guys have such a hard time getting back to normal. Its not bro' science, its anecdotal evidence derived from many years in the medical field.

I think it beneficial, once you have finished your "cycle", to "cruise" for a few weeks to allow your test levels to drop to somewhere around the normal level, as in TRT.
We do this "weaning" type of cessation with many drugs.
After assaulting your body with massive amounts of any drug, your body can respond in the opposite when the drugs are ceased, and I think some are affected like this.

Your body likes homeostasis, it doesn't like too much of anything e.g. too much test, it converts it to oestregen etc.

What we do is put our body into extremes. Extreme amounts of test, then none!

I also think it would help in retaining gains, I'm only down @ 7lbs from stopping until now.

Anyway, its just a theory, and I know it has worked for me.

 

[gm09]

Tribulus is a placebo. Works better on religious folks

i think for a normal, healthy person that yea tribulus wont do a damn thing. For a person who naturally has low testosterone (or low at the time due to suppression), maybe it will help.

in any case, might not help but it cant hurt

 

[theCaptn']

Placebos will only hurt your pride and your pocket!