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So princey, out of curiosity, do you do incline presses and have they worked for making your upper chest grow?

Honesty now.
 
Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
So princey, out of curiosity, do you do incline presses and have they worked for making your upper chest grow?

Honesty now.


First of all do not call me princey.

Secondly, why do you continue to dwell on this incline/upper chest debate?
 
Originally posted by Maki Riddington
Charles is a great source of info but that doesn't excuse one from questioning what he has to preach.
Just because he says something doesn't mean it's right.
The problem with trainers today is is that they latch onto the so called 'gurus' and lap in what they have to say without stopping to think for themselves or question their statements.


Exactly, Maki. NO ONE is infallible, and NO ONE is exempt to having their theories questioned. Hell, I've been putting Mel through the wringer with questions lately, and I think we've both been learning in the process. I think Dr. Siff is a good bit more reputable than Poliquin, as well. But he's also not out to attract business, which will always skew the training expert's motives.
 
Avoided answering the question nicely there i see, prince.
 
Good point.

I have no idea why.
 
Originally posted by Maki Riddington
Charles is a great source of info but that doesn't excuse one from questioning what he has to preach.
Just because he says something doesn't mean it's right.
The problem with trainers today is is that they latch onto the so called 'gurus' and lap in what they have to say without stopping to think for themselves or question their statements.

I don't see anything wrong with questioning what Poliquin or anyone else says...which is why I said that there is nothing wrong with rows to the neck IF you are void of shoulder problems. This was in response to Chicken basically saying that this exercise will cause shoulder impingement, which was an untrue statement...it won't for everyone. For some it may be a great movement.

Another point...how did I come to my conclusions on weight training? From listening to everyone, questioning everyone, trying everything...tracking it, troubleshooting, experimenting...listening some more, reading some more, trying again...this is what is called EXPERIENCE.
 
Originally posted by Prince
I believe in you gopro! :thumb:

Thank you Prince...its really fine if people wish to question me, but after a while you have to look at someone and say..."holy cow, look at what they have accomplished...maybe they do know what they are talking about." You know, if you never shut up and just listen, you will never learn anything. I am here for one reason and one reason only...to help everyone get the most out of their training possible, and to help everyone reach whatever goals they have set for themself. I wish I had access to this kind of stuff when I was just beginning. I can't imagine where I would be now.

Anyway..thanks again Prince for recognizing my value to this board and making me a mod, allowing me to write articles and do a monthly Q & A. I do enjoy giving back to a sport that has given alot to me.
 
And if you make money in the process of enthralling everyone with your vast infallible wisdom, what the hell, huh?
 
Absolutely Matt.
Money first info second........
Hey we all gotta make a living right?
:rolleyes:

My philosphy is simple. Info first and if they like what I have to offer then we can look at the money thing next.
 
Originally posted by ActionMatt
And if you make money in the process of enthralling everyone with your vast infallible wisdom, what the hell, huh?

Ummmm...do I make money for posting here?Prince is paying me a salary? Are you stupid? I have had a thriving personal training business for 12 years...long before I even knew how to turn on a computer.

Maybe the two of you should consider paying me too. You guys really need the help. Oh, I'm not talking just about training, but psychological help as well...my college degree IS in psychology...don't be afraid...let it out...

LOL at you guys...
 
Originally posted by Yanks20
:thumb: you the man pro!

Thanks Yanks! Whats up with these guys? Are they jealous, bored, paranoid, punch drunk, or small and angry, LOL?
 
in my opinion a little bit of everything! i guess they just cannot stand hearing things from people who know what it is all about. maybe someday they will see the light, but from what i'm reading that will probably not happen.
 
Originally posted by Prince
I agree, that's why I try and utilize personal experience as much as possible.
yes,22yrs of lifting, dieting, supplementing, and just plain ole fashion hard kick ass work and i couldve looked in a dam book instead.
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: to be young again.:rolleyes:
 
Where you guys got the idea from that we're newbies?
 
think about it
 
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listen people here are looking for advice. it just seems that you are stuck in a one frame mind that training is done a certain way -that's fine with me if that is your thing, even though you and a few certain others will never know what it is like to be a complete bodybuilder.

hell, if i can pick up just one bit of information i consider it a good day and try to implement it into my routine. is has taken years of dedication and trial and error to get where i am today and like pro tank said if this forum was available years ago it would have helped out tremendously.
 
Gopro,

To me they sound like my nephew. He is 17 years old and he knows everything there is to know about bodybuilding. Just ask him. He is maybe 100lbs soaking wet, and he tells me he can bench 315. He asks me all kinds of questions about bodybuilding just so he can tell me I am wrong and he can show how much he thinks he knows. He walks around like he has these huge lats, it is so funny. He is so full of himself it isn't funny.

I don't claim to be an expert in bodybuilding, but I will take advice from someone who has been there and proven themselves like Charles Poliquin, or you than someone who talks a big talk.

Just my 2 cents. I am glad you are here Gopro and thanks.
 
well TCD, i guess to put politely as i can. you seem well informed in alot of area's.you take your lifting serious. but why argue over somethings that work for some and not for others. in a round about way you and your friend Action Matt were ripping on GP.lifting is serious for some others are just starting out, some do it to help out in there other sports, like mountain bike riding, martial arts,high school sports.thats why people start up boards, to help out and share knowledge.if you want to help out thats great, contribute, but dont turn things around and start arguing with the others on the board.its called RESPECT, if you want it ya got to give it.one thing i liked about IM was the fact that everybody tried helping out, and well to be honest, you're ruining that.so please dont take my words offensive, just think about it for awhile.
 
If you don't want to contribute to the topic then don't post!!
 
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I am trying to help.

The word on this board is that inclines work upper chest, you need to regularly switch routines to grow and that ZMA really does make you 2.5 times the person you were.

Is this true? No.

Although i gotta admit, the routine switching or anything else doesn't bother me really, providing the lifters are training "sensibly" and frequently (ie keeping to a split each week whether they keep the same exercises or not.) As long as they're lifting each week i'm happy and so will they be cause they will notice results. Whether these results are "optimal" is a different question. The only beef i really got is about targeted muscle growth via various exercises.
 
well enough then lets all just get along then.ok..:wave:
 
Ok.

*holds Tank's hand and does a little dance*
 
i got two left feet, cant dance for shit
 
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