Please check my PCT

[KJohnT]

I've posted before, but now I've ordered everything and want to make sure I'm good before starting.

Cycle will be 500mg test c weekly (10wk)and 500iu hcg weekly (12wk), 12.5mg aromasin daily(12wk)

PCT
Week 13 ??? Aromasin 25mg/d, Clomid 100mg/day (50mg in morning & 50mg at night), Nolvadex 20mg/day
Week 14 ??? Aromasin 12.5mg/d, Clomid 50mg/day, Nolvadex 20mg/day
Week 15 & 16 ??? Clomid 50mg/d, Nolvadex 20mg/day


Is running all of that shit PCT overkill (especially week 13)? I will have extra of all three things (aromasin, clomid, nolva) so how should I change it if necessary? I could run the aromasin all the way through if needed.

 

[brundel]

First I would wait till the cyp completely clears your system. 1 week is not enough.
Begin aromasin far before the end of the cycle.
THis way your estro levels are low when you pull the plug on the test making PCT easier and more efficient.
If you dont use an AI on cycle fine but do start it at least 3 weeks before cessation of treatment with the test.
Dont start the clomid for 20 days or so. Run the ai throughout this time and until you end clomid treatment.

 

[LightBearer]

look good, id prob cut aromasin to 12.5 instead of dropping it last 2 weeks

also howcome youre splitting ur clomid into 2x per day the first week? i believe half life is almost a week so i dont think the split is nee3ded

i know most guys here dont like nolvadex along with clomid like youre doing, but im starting pct this saturday and im going to do the same thing since i have lots of it and dont want to give gyno any sort of chance to pop up. im also getting some itchy nipps so had to upp aromasin to 25mg+12.5 per day
good luck

 

[KJohnT]

First I would wait till the cyp completely clears your system. 1 week is not enough.
Begin aromasin far before the end of the cycle.
THis way your estro levels are low when you pull the plug on the test making PCT easier and more efficient.
If you dont use an AI on cycle fine but do start it at least 3 weeks before cessation of treatment with the test.
Dont start the clomid for 20 days or so. Run the ai throughout this time and until you end clomid treatment.

The cyp is run 10 weeks and PCT starts week 13 (2 weeks later).

The aromasin is run throughout the cycle at 12.5mg/d

And are you saying no Nolva?

 

[KJohnT]

look good, id prob cut aromasin to 12.5 instead of dropping it last 2 weeks

also howcome youre splitting ur clomid into 2x per day the first week? i believe half life is almost a week so i dont think the split is nee3ded

i know most guys here dont like nolvadex along with clomid like youre doing, but im starting pct this saturday and im going to do the same thing since i have lots of it and dont want to give gyno any sort of chance to pop up. im also getting some itchy nipps so had to upp aromasin to 25mg+12.5 per day
good luck

Yeah I think I will run the aromasin throughout.

I don't remember why I thought to split the clomid 2x/d... something I read somewhere lol. If it isn't necessary I won't do it.

And what is the argument against Nolva and clomid together?

 

[LightBearer]

Yeah I think I will run the aromasin throughout.

I don't remember why I thought to split the clomid 2x/d... something I read somewhere lol. If it isn't necessary I won't do it.

And what is the argument against Nolva and clomid together?

i think its because clomid is just more effective at restoring test production, and aromasin will prevent gyno so if there is no gyno present, the nolva is just not needed
but some ppl get itchy nips while on aromasin thats why im going to use it in pct

 

[brundel]

The cyp is run 10 weeks and PCT starts week 13 (2 weeks later).

The aromasin is run throughout the cycle at 12.5mg/d

And are you saying no Nolva?

I didnt say anything about nolva.
I said you should wait longer to start PCT.


Day 109: 972.8mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 110: 880.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 111: 797.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
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Day 131: 361.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
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Day 142: 121.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 143: 109.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T - Start PCT
Day 144: 99.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T - Start PCT
Day 145: 90.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T - Start PCT
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Day 156: 30.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 157: 27.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 158: 24.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T

 

[brundel]

Yeah I think I will run the aromasin throughout.

I don't remember why I thought to split the clomid 2x/d... something I read somewhere lol. If it isn't necessary I won't do it.

And what is the argument against Nolva and clomid together?

Using both is overkill but aside from that there is no argument against it that I am aware of.

 

[brundel]

i think its because clomid is just more effective at restoring test production, and aromasin will prevent gyno so if there is no gyno present, the nolva is just not needed
but some ppl get itchy nips while on aromasin thats why im going to use it in pct

I cant imagine how or why using an AI (aromasin) would cause itchy nipples or gyno.
This is a drug used specifically to lower estrogen so if anything these type of symptoms should be reduced not increased.

 

[LightBearer]

I cant imagine how or why using an AI (aromasin) would cause itchy nipples or gyno.
This is a drug used specifically to lower estrogen so if anything these type of symptoms should be reduced not increased.

not saying an AI causes itchy nipps bro, just saying for some people, it doesnt lower e2 enough, so itchy nipps persist
also for monetary reasons id rather use 25mg aromasin and 30 mg nolva instead of 50mg aromasin to combat itchy nipps

 

[KJohnT]

OK cool thanks guys.

I found that PCT calc you used Brundel and it looks like with 20 pins taken twice/week, the last pin will be on day 67 and PCT should start 21 days later, so I'll wait three weeks.

The prob with that is, I will run out of Aromasin after 16 weeks since I planned to double it the first week of PCT, so here is my new cycle plan:

TestC 500mg/w, w1-10
hcg 500iu/w, w1-13
aromasin 12.5mg/d, w1-17
clomid 100mg/d w13, 50mg/d w14-17
nolva 20mg/d, w13-17

possibly Nolva 10mg/d week 18 to taper everything down for smooth estrogen transition

What do you guys think now?













edit:
And I just realized the weeks won't be exact since my last pin is day 67 and not day 70, but I think you get the idea