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I may change mine to the following. This is my old routine from the late 70's while under doctors care.

1-3 Drol @ 100mg/ed
1-10 Test E @ 1000mg/ew
7-10 D-bol @ 30mg/ed
Added in by me
11 & 12 Test Prop @ 200mg/eod
 
Purdue Power said:
I have changed my plans a little bit. Here is what I am thinking of doing now.
Weeks 1-5: 30mg dbol ED
Weeks 1-11: 625mg TestE/week
Weeks 1-10: 500mg EQ/week
Weeks 2-13: 300iu HCG E3D

I decided that I would rather run a leaner bulking cycle, thus substituting the EQ for the Nandrolone PhenylProp. As Pirate has suggested to me in the past few days, I could possibly add some TrenE to the mix. If I do, it will probably only be about 250-300mg/week.
Definitely at least 600 on the EQ, and from what I remember about your journal on your last cycle, I would highly suggest for you doing 500 on the HCG instead of 300. You seemed to have to shoot a lot of supplemental HCG to top off what you were already doing, so I'd be running 500 E3D for sure, though since you're using Test E I wouldn't start it until about week four.
 
PirateFromHell said:
14 Week Bulker

Orals:
Weeks 1-12 Proviron 50 mg/day
Weeks 1-6 Oral Turnibol 50 mg/day
Weeks 7-10 Anavar 40 mg/day

IM:
Weeks 1-10 Test E 300 mg E3D (frontload first week)
Weeks 1-10 NPP 150 mg E3D
Weeks 11-14 Tren Ace 50 mg ED
Weeks 13-14 Test Prop 75 mg ED

Weeks 2-14 HCG 300 E3D. PCT starts 2 days after last shot.
Too many orals, IMHO. That's a lot of strain on the liver for a long time.
 
Changed mine.....hope to be running this in the next month.

1-8: 250 Cypotest every 4 days
1-7: Deca 300mg every 4 days

Nolvadex 10mg throughout the entire cycle...then 60/40/20/20, PCT
Arimidex on hand if gyno problems occur during cycle
and HCG to be started in week 4 of the cycle...not sure about the dose and how often....maybe 500 every 4 or 5 days?

any thoughts on using pharmaceutical T3 or T4.....Its been a long time since I have used it and would welcome recommendations on dose and cycle time on it.....thinking 25 week 1.....50-75 week 2-9 and then tapering off after that.
 
19-chief said:
starting 10-2-05:

(1-12.5) 600mg EQ EW
(2-13.5) 500mg Test Enan EW
Revised but still starting 10/2/05...
(1)600mg EQ E3.5D ~~~~~>1200mg frontload
(2-11.5)300mg EQ E3.5D ~~~~~>600mg/wk
(2-12.5)250mg Test E E3.5D ~~~~~>500mg/wk
(12.5-13.5)500iu HCG EOD
(14.5-17.5)60/40/40/20 Nolvadex
(16.5-20)4-6caps TribuPlex750 ED
 
19-chief said:
Revised but still starting 10/2/05...
(1)600mg EQ E3.5D ~~~~~>1200mg frontload
(2-11.5)300mg EQ E3.5D ~~~~~>600mg/wk
(2-12.5)250mg Test E E3.5D ~~~~~>500mg/wk
(12.5-13.5)500iu HCG EOD
(14.5-17.5)60/40/40/20 Nolvadex
(16.5-20)4-6caps TribuPlex750 ED

Why not just shoot the whole 1200mg front load on day one of your cycle?
Did you get that EQ jug?
 
SJ69 said:
Why not just shoot the whole 1200mg front load on day one of your cycle?
Did you get that EQ jug?
i guess i could do that... but that's 4cc's. ( the rest of the cycle will be 2.5cc's each time... 1 test e/ 1.5 eq.) just thought i'd do 2x 2cc's. yes, i did get that jug from AP. great price, great t/a.
 
keep us updated on progress!!
 
1-12: test E 2000mg
1-12: Deca 1800mg
1-4: Stenox 50mg ED
5-8: D-bol 100mg ED
9-12: Anadrol 300mg ED
13-14 Test prop 300mg ED

EDIT:
1-12 Test E 2000mg
1-12 Deca 1200mg
1-4 D-bol Ed
1-8 No Oral Steroids
9-12 Anadrol 200mg ED
13-14 Test prop 300mg EOD


Think you guys are right....I'll skip the Haloteston and only do 8 weeks of orals
 
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musclepump said:
Definitely at least 600 on the EQ, and from what I remember about your journal on your last cycle, I would highly suggest for you doing 500 on the HCG instead of 300. You seemed to have to shoot a lot of supplemental HCG to top off what you were already doing, so I'd be running 500 E3D for sure, though since you're using Test E I wouldn't start it until about week four.
I have again revised.

I will run 700-750mg/week of EQ along with 250-300mg/week of TrenE now. I will prob up my HCG dosage to 400-500iu E3D starting at about week 4 or 5, since I am using all long esters. I am one of the chosen that has quite a battle with testicular atrophy, so I will need to stay on top of my HCG dosage. If I need to up the dosage, I will opt for more frequent smaller doses rather than higher doses at the same frequency. I don't want to go over 500iu at a time.
 
Psycho Dad said:
1-12: test E 2000mg
1-12: Deca 1800mg
1-4: Stenox 50mg ED
5-8: D-bol 100mg ED
9-12: Anadrol 300mg ED
13-14 Test prop 300mg ED
Nice cycle, Ronnie.
 
musclepump said:
Too many orals, IMHO. That's a lot of strain on the liver for a long time.
i have to agree, 10 weeks of 17-aa's is a lot! i'd cut it down to 8-9 weeks max ;)
 
Purdue Power said:
I have again revised.

I will run 700-750mg/week of EQ along with 250-300mg/week of TrenE now. I will prob up my HCG dosage to 400-500iu E3D starting at about week 4 or 5, since I am using all long esters. I am one of the chosen that has quite a battle with testicular atrophy, so I will need to stay on top of my HCG dosage. If I need to up the dosage, I will opt for more frequent smaller doses rather than higher doses at the same frequency. I don't want to go over 500iu at a time.
i put money on his cycle changing again! lol

mine has also changed, i'm thinking of 10 weeks of testE @ 500mg/wk and 8 weeks of trenE @ 300mg/wk, as i'm after solid lean gains that will stay will me as opposed to watery gains that i will lose a couple of months later, i also really need to keep fat gain down, because i know if i get fat on cycle, i'll just end up cutting off cycle and losing all my gains (just like i have done after my first cycle, i'm now 190lbs, another 6lbs off me and i'll be to the size i was before i started, i've lost almoast all of my gains now, it sucks!), so i'm considering running cytomel @ 50mcg ED on cycle, then clen over the first 3 weeks of pct, i will also keep carbs controlled throughout the cycle, i'd rather add 10lbs with no fat and water, then 30lbs but 10lbs water and 10lbs fat, because if i put fat on that means i'll have to cut

i'll also be running proviron and either letro or adex throughout the cycle to minimise water ret.(which caused me BP problems on my first cycle) and gyno, also plenty of nolva and vitex on hand in case gyno does show up, and hcg throughout to prevent testicular atrophy, i'm hoping that with a high protein and moderate carb/healthy fats diet i'll be able to add a lot of strength and rock hard muscle with no fat gain (so far on my ph and first juice cycle BF% shot up both times from around 14% to 17%, i really want to avoid that happening this time!)
 
Cell tech
nitro tech whey shakes
nitro tech bars
haha.
 
soz.
First cycle will be much like D's

1-4 Dbol, 25mg ED
1-10 Test Cyp/Enan 500mg EW
3-9 HCG, 500 iu's E5D (still debating times/durations etc)
12-16, Nolva 60/40mg ED
 
I will probably finish the other half of my SD bottle later this year, and use what i learned on my first cycle to help keep the weight better this time.

:wave:
 
TheCurse said:
I will probably finish the other half of my SD bottle later this year, and use what i learned on my first cycle to help keep the weight better this time.

:wave:
i hear you loud and clear on that one. that's my goal too. how was your SD experience anyways?
 
I found the product to work as advertised. personally i screwed up while on cycle, while on pct, and after pct. and i still got good results. my mistakes were in the realm of missing training days and not eating enough.
next cycle i need to look at what else i have to be doing when the cycle is going to be going on. i know we cant account for everything that can happen in life but a little more planning isnt going to hurt me.
 
That's a good first time cycle. Good job researching lad. About time someone thinking about there first cycle used a little intelligence

PT
Mags said:
soz.
First cycle will be much like D's

1-4 Dbol, 25mg ED
1-10 Test Cyp/Enan 500mg EW
3-9 HCG, 500 iu's E5D (still debating times/durations etc)
12-16, Nolva 60/40mg ED
 
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Ok its only 8 weeks....I know you all hate that but..........
1-8 Test Cyp 200mg every 3.5 days
1-7 Deca 300mg every 3.5 days

1-8 T-3....start at 25 for 3 days then 50 for 3 days and then 75 for the cycle.....taper down 50 for 3 days and then 25 for last 3 days

Nolvadex 10 mg entire cycle

Pct week 10: 60mg nol
week 11 40mg nol
week 12 40mg nol
week 13 20mg nol

plus Hcg...start week 4....500Iu's every 5 days and stop week 9 or 10?
 
only slightly revised. still scheduled for october 1st... :rocker:
(1-12)600mg EQ EW
(2-13)400mg Test E EW
(12-13)60mg M5AA ED
(13-14)500iu HCG EOD
(16-19)40/40/20/20 Nolvadex
(17-22)6caps TribuPlex ED
 
stop 5 days before nolvadex starts. (from SWALE@cuttingedgemuscle)
ForemanRules said:
Ok its only 8 weeks....I know you all hate that but..........
1-8 Test Cyp 200mg every 3.5 days
1-7 Deca 300mg every 3.5 days

1-8 T-3....start at 25 for 3 days then 50 for 3 days and then 75 for the cycle.....taper down 50 for 3 days and then 25 for last 3 days

Nolvadex 10 mg entire cycle

Pct week 10: 60mg nol
week 11 40mg nol
week 12 40mg nol
week 13 20mg nol

plus Hcg...start week 4....500Iu's every 5 days and stop week 9 or 10?
 
Ok because of DC Training my cycle will start 10/2 as follows.
1 and 2 Test prop @ 200 eod
1-4 test e 1000mg/ew
1-4 Eq @ 800mg
5 and 6 Test E @ 300 mg ew...Cruise
7-10 repeat cycle and continue this for 1 yr. Eq will be replaced the 2nd cycle with tren. Tren will be replace on the third cycle with Anadrol and then the cycle repeat with EQ. Test will always be 1000 mg / ew except for the two weeks I cruise.

This is a 4 x 2. Four heavy 2 cruise for 1 year. Good luck Tough
 
my revised cycle, to start around late october/nov and i'll be on till about febuary time

AAS
wk 1-14: Test Enan 500mg/wk
wk 1-10: Deca 400mg/wk
wk 1-5: Dbol 25mg/ed
wk 13-16: Superdrol or Dbol 20-30mg/ed
wk 1-16: Proviron 50mg/ed

Ancillaries
wk 1-16: Femara 0.5mg/eod
wk 1-16: Vitex 2g/ed
wk 1-16: HCG 500iu/e5d

PCT
undecided, but will most probably be a stack of tamoxifen, clomid and femara, along with 3g trib ed, 6g CEE ed, clen, and DS lean xtreme

:thumb:
 
ForemanRules said:
Changed mine.....hope to be running this in the next month.

1-8: 250 Cypotest every 4 days
1-7: Deca 300mg every 4 days

Nolvadex 10mg throughout the entire cycle...then 60/40/20/20, PCT
Arimidex on hand if gyno problems occur during cycle
and HCG to be started in week 4 of the cycle...not sure about the dose and how often....maybe 500 every 4 or 5 days?

any thoughts on using pharmaceutical T3 or T4.....Its been a long time since I have used it and would welcome recommendations on dose and cycle time on it.....thinking 25 week 1.....50-75 week 2-9 and then tapering off after that.
bumping the nolvadex up to 20mg a day during the cycle.....it has stopped the gyno 100% at 20mg :thumb:
 
Tough Old Man said:
Good deal. Hey did you order the liquid Nolva
Not yet.......I have enough nol for the next 6 weeks, but I need to get more for pct
 
Tough Old Man said:
Ok because of DC Training my cycle will start 10/2 as follows.
1 and 2 Test prop @ 200 eod
1-4 test e 1000mg/ew
1-4 Eq @ 800mg
5 and 6 Test E @ 300 mg ew...Cruise
7-10 repeat cycle and continue this for 1 yr. Eq will be replaced the 2nd cycle with tren. Tren will be replace on the third cycle with Anadrol and then the cycle repeat with EQ. Test will always be 1000 mg / ew except for the two weeks I cruise.

This is a 4 x 2. Four heavy 2 cruise for 1 year. Good luck Tough
TOM, i find this interesting b/c i've got a friend who's gonna stay on all year as well. do you envision any problem with the yo-yo dosing... specifically in regards to esters and the times when your blood levels will rise and fall? it doesn't seem like your training cycles and blood levels would be in sinc. just asking.

i'm sure you've researched doing long-ass cycles... do you think one needs to just cruise once in a while? he's been doing sust and eq for 12 weeks now and looking for a change but doesn't want to come off. any suggestions?
 
19-chief said:
TOM, i find this interesting b/c i've got a friend who's gonna stay on all year as well. do you envision any problem with the yo-yo dosing... specifically in regards to esters and the times when your blood levels will rise and fall? it doesn't seem like your training cycles and blood levels would be in sinc. just asking.

i'm sure you've researched doing long-ass cycles... do you think one needs to just cruise once in a while? he's been doing sust and eq for 12 weeks now and looking for a change but doesn't want to come off. any suggestions?
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