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Definitely at least 600 on the EQ, and from what I remember about your journal on your last cycle, I would highly suggest for you doing 500 on the HCG instead of 300. You seemed to have to shoot a lot of supplemental HCG to top off what you were already doing, so I'd be running 500 E3D for sure, though since you're using Test E I wouldn't start it until about week four.Purdue Power said:I have changed my plans a little bit. Here is what I am thinking of doing now.
Weeks 1-5: 30mg dbol ED
Weeks 1-11: 625mg TestE/week
Weeks 1-10: 500mg EQ/week
Weeks 2-13: 300iu HCG E3D
I decided that I would rather run a leaner bulking cycle, thus substituting the EQ for the Nandrolone PhenylProp. As Pirate has suggested to me in the past few days, I could possibly add some TrenE to the mix. If I do, it will probably only be about 250-300mg/week.
Too many orals, IMHO. That's a lot of strain on the liver for a long time.PirateFromHell said:14 Week Bulker
Orals:
Weeks 1-12 Proviron 50 mg/day
Weeks 1-6 Oral Turnibol 50 mg/day
Weeks 7-10 Anavar 40 mg/day
IM:
Weeks 1-10 Test E 300 mg E3D (frontload first week)
Weeks 1-10 NPP 150 mg E3D
Weeks 11-14 Tren Ace 50 mg ED
Weeks 13-14 Test Prop 75 mg ED
Weeks 2-14 HCG 300 E3D. PCT starts 2 days after last shot.
Revised but still starting 10/2/05...19-chief said:starting 10-2-05:
(1-12.5) 600mg EQ EW
(2-13.5) 500mg Test Enan EW
19-chief said:Revised but still starting 10/2/05...
(1)600mg EQ E3.5D ~~~~~>1200mg frontload
(2-11.5)300mg EQ E3.5D ~~~~~>600mg/wk
(2-12.5)250mg Test E E3.5D ~~~~~>500mg/wk
(12.5-13.5)500iu HCG EOD
(14.5-17.5)60/40/40/20 Nolvadex
(16.5-20)4-6caps TribuPlex750 ED
i guess i could do that... but that's 4cc's. ( the rest of the cycle will be 2.5cc's each time... 1 test e/ 1.5 eq.) just thought i'd do 2x 2cc's. yes, i did get that jug from AP. great price, great t/a.SJ69 said:Why not just shoot the whole 1200mg front load on day one of your cycle?
Did you get that EQ jug?
fuck bro that was they way the Dr. ordered in the late 70's. What can I say. It worked back then for 7 years with no problem so I'll try it again.musclepump said:Too many orals, IMHO. That's a lot of strain on the liver for a long time.
I have again revised.musclepump said:Definitely at least 600 on the EQ, and from what I remember about your journal on your last cycle, I would highly suggest for you doing 500 on the HCG instead of 300. You seemed to have to shoot a lot of supplemental HCG to top off what you were already doing, so I'd be running 500 E3D for sure, though since you're using Test E I wouldn't start it until about week four.
Nice cycle, Ronnie.Psycho Dad said:1-12: test E 2000mg
1-12: Deca 1800mg
1-4: Stenox 50mg ED
5-8: D-bol 100mg ED
9-12: Anadrol 300mg ED
13-14 Test prop 300mg ED
i have to agree, 10 weeks of 17-aa's is a lot! i'd cut it down to 8-9 weeks maxmusclepump said:Too many orals, IMHO. That's a lot of strain on the liver for a long time.
i put money on his cycle changing again! lolPurdue Power said:I have again revised.
I will run 700-750mg/week of EQ along with 250-300mg/week of TrenE now. I will prob up my HCG dosage to 400-500iu E3D starting at about week 4 or 5, since I am using all long esters. I am one of the chosen that has quite a battle with testicular atrophy, so I will need to stay on top of my HCG dosage. If I need to up the dosage, I will opt for more frequent smaller doses rather than higher doses at the same frequency. I don't want to go over 500iu at a time.
i hear you loud and clear on that one. that's my goal too. how was your SD experience anyways?TheCurse said:I will probably finish the other half of my SD bottle later this year, and use what i learned on my first cycle to help keep the weight better this time.
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Mags said:soz.
First cycle will be much like D's
1-4 Dbol, 25mg ED
1-10 Test Cyp/Enan 500mg EW
3-9 HCG, 500 iu's E5D (still debating times/durations etc)
12-16, Nolva 60/40mg ED
ForemanRules said:Ok its only 8 weeks....I know you all hate that but..........
1-8 Test Cyp 200mg every 3.5 days
1-7 Deca 300mg every 3.5 days
1-8 T-3....start at 25 for 3 days then 50 for 3 days and then 75 for the cycle.....taper down 50 for 3 days and then 25 for last 3 days
Nolvadex 10 mg entire cycle
Pct week 10: 60mg nol
week 11 40mg nol
week 12 40mg nol
week 13 20mg nol
plus Hcg...start week 4....500Iu's every 5 days and stop week 9 or 10?
bumping the nolvadex up to 20mg a day during the cycle.....it has stopped the gyno 100% at 20mgForemanRules said:Changed mine.....hope to be running this in the next month.
1-8: 250 Cypotest every 4 days
1-7: Deca 300mg every 4 days
Nolvadex 10mg throughout the entire cycle...then 60/40/20/20, PCT
Arimidex on hand if gyno problems occur during cycle
and HCG to be started in week 4 of the cycle...not sure about the dose and how often....maybe 500 every 4 or 5 days?
any thoughts on using pharmaceutical T3 or T4.....Its been a long time since I have used it and would welcome recommendations on dose and cycle time on it.....thinking 25 week 1.....50-75 week 2-9 and then tapering off after that.
Good deal. Hey did you order the liquid NolvaForemanRules said:bumping the nolvadex up to 20mg a day during the cycle.....it has stopped the gyno 100% at 20mg![]()
Not yet.......I have enough nol for the next 6 weeks, but I need to get more for pctTough Old Man said:Good deal. Hey did you order the liquid Nolva
TOM, i find this interesting b/c i've got a friend who's gonna stay on all year as well. do you envision any problem with the yo-yo dosing... specifically in regards to esters and the times when your blood levels will rise and fall? it doesn't seem like your training cycles and blood levels would be in sinc. just asking.Tough Old Man said:Ok because of DC Training my cycle will start 10/2 as follows.
1 and 2 Test prop @ 200 eod
1-4 test e 1000mg/ew
1-4 Eq @ 800mg
5 and 6 Test E @ 300 mg ew...Cruise
7-10 repeat cycle and continue this for 1 yr. Eq will be replaced the 2nd cycle with tren. Tren will be replace on the third cycle with Anadrol and then the cycle repeat with EQ. Test will always be 1000 mg / ew except for the two weeks I cruise.
This is a 4 x 2. Four heavy 2 cruise for 1 year. Good luck Tough
Mr. "B" check out your PM19-chief said:TOM, i find this interesting b/c i've got a friend who's gonna stay on all year as well. do you envision any problem with the yo-yo dosing... specifically in regards to esters and the times when your blood levels will rise and fall? it doesn't seem like your training cycles and blood levels would be in sinc. just asking.
i'm sure you've researched doing long-ass cycles... do you think one needs to just cruise once in a while? he's been doing sust and eq for 12 weeks now and looking for a change but doesn't want to come off. any suggestions?