Pre Workout Supplement question

[juggernaut]

Any pre-workout stim, including the brand we produce, has caffeine. There are tons of research behind caffeine and how well it works as an ergogenic aid for training and performance.
If you cant afford a quality pre-workout stim, use a type of caffeine tablet called caffeine anhydrous about an hour before training as well as some cheap arginine (about 5g).

 

[Adamr]

Thanks Juggernaut, great advice.

 

[gopro]

Hi, I am looking for some good pre-workout supplements, preferrably something with a fat burner & maybe a Testosterone booster.

I currently train 3-4 times per week and supplement with 4 scoops of Whey Isolate per day.

Any advice would be of great help.

Thanks Adam

AAEFX's K-Otic contains plenty of ingedients good for energy and fat burning, plus an herbal compound called TAXADROL that is a testosterone booster.

 

[juggernaut]

 

[juggernaut]

AAEFX's K-Otic contains plenty of ingedients good for energy and fat burning, plus an herbal compound called TAXADROL that is a testosterone booster.

Can you describe what taxadrol is chemically? Because even though every single link on google on the first page (of searching this out on google) has a link relating or pertaining to taraxdrol (otherwise known as hidafolia) and goes to your company who sponsors you, there's no clearcut definition of what it is exactly. Just curious.
And how has this been shown to actually be a test booster? Is it because "drol" is attached to the end?

 

[aussie1]

yeh you can buy caffeine tabs pretty cheap, also buying ingrediants seperate in bulk like argine(aakg) powder, creatine monohydrate, beta alanine n citrulline malate then mix together with gatorade or oj or sumthing, would get you way more servings then a pre workout supp

 

[Built]

Interesting. Taxanes come from plants in the yew genus. The anticancer drug paclitaxel is made from a yew tree that's endogenous to British Columbia - I remember when that made the news here come to think of it. That particular yew is called Taxus brevifolia. My first thought was "cool, it works like an aromatase inhibitor" - but alas, no. Paclitaxel is a mitotic inhibitor - it prevents cell division. Yew plants are notoriously toxic. Taxanes are also immunostimulatory against neoplasms, which is interesting - but not from the perspective of testosterone production.

This paper is interesting. Turns out Taxanes reduce inhibin B. Inhibins lower FSH, so with inhibin's reduction, FSH is elevated. There are other drugs which increase FSH - for example, clomiphene (Clomid).

Perhaps this is the mechanism behind which this supplement works?

As an aside, plants have naming conventions. Taxus Brevifolia means a yew (genus Taxus), with short leaves (the Latin root brevi gives us the English word "brief"). Meaning of Foliage - Meaning of Leaf Names

I cannot find anything that describes the meaning of "hidafolia". It appears to be a made-up word.

 

[Built]

This is also interesting. The H2 blocker cimetidine (Tagamet) has also been shown to increase testosterone levels in men:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1402017/pdf/brjclinpharm00194-0036.pdf

Table I Serum T levels before, during and after
cimetidine therapy (mean + s.e. mean)
Before: 24.3 + 2.4(nmol/l) (700mg/dL)
During: 28.0 ± 2.3(nmol/l) (807 mg/dL)
After: 24.7 ± 2.3(nmol/l) (712 mg/dL)

It is a testicular toxicant. Note also that the elevated FSH seen in paclitaxel use is associated with gonadal damage.

 

[juggernaut]

yeh you can buy caffeine tabs pretty cheap, also buying ingrediants seperate in bulk like argine(aakg) powder, creatine monohydrate, beta alanine n citrulline malate then mix together with gatorade or oj or sumthing, would get you way more servings then a pre workout supp

You can go a step further and just use citruline with 5g of leucine pre and postworkout. Apparently this is a better combination as well. As far as the oj and gatorade are concerned, I'm not fond of carbs so that wouldnt work for me. I'm keto, so just to flavor it, I'd use Crystal Light to take the sourness away from the citruline.
And yes, I agree that if you were to concoct a pre-workout stim, it is cheaper to do it that way in the long run, but several people just cant afford the whole cost initially.

 

[juggernaut]

I DONT recommend NO Explode

Several of my clients complained about a cough and jitters. The reason why we put a lower dose of caffeine was to keep the energy prolonged, yet not over-stimulating to where you cant even maintain the workout.

 

[Adamr]

While I was in Tesco the other day I picked up some caffeine/Glucose tablets (50mg of caffeine - 130mg of dextrose monohydrate) 30 tabs for £1.30.... will give them a go.

The ZMA & Creatine arrived yesterday so I'm cuddently doing the loading phase, the packet of Optimum Health creatine says 1 teaspoon 4 times a day for 5 days then 1 serving twice a day after that. Can someone explain the reasons for the 'Loading phase'? (I'm new to supplements as you may guess)

thnx

 

[Built]

Several of my clients complained about a cough and jitters. The reason why we put a lower dose of caffeine was to keep the energy prolonged, yet not over-stimulating to where you cant even maintain the workout.

Besides, if you WANT more caffeine, you can always just top it up.

To me caffeine's like salt - I'd rather have a dish undersalted than oversalted. I can always add more.

 

[juggernaut]

Besides, if you WANT more caffeine, you can always just top it up.

To me caffeine's like salt - I'd rather have a dish undersalted than oversalted. I can always add more.

Which is why we didnt include it!

 

[Built]

Exactly.

I respect intelligent design.

 

[juggernaut]

Exactly.

I respect intelligent design.

and i respect intelligent hot chicks with a great butt and nice cans.

 

[gopro]

Can you describe what taxadrol is chemically? Because even though every single link on google on the first page (of searching this out on google) has a link relating or pertaining to taraxdrol (otherwise known as hidafolia) and goes to your company who sponsors you, there's no clearcut definition of what it is exactly. Just curious.
And how has this been shown to actually be a test booster? Is it because "drol" is attached to the end?

This would be a question for Jeff Golini, who has been researching and testing this compound for years.

As for the "drol," obviously this is just a "catchy name." Although I think we are changing it.

It seems to work through increases in LH, but he is still researching further on all mechanisms.

All I can tell you for SURE is that it is effective, as blood work has shown over and over with dozens of testers (side note: Flex Wheeler has been able to get off all TRT and just use Test Charge, mentioned below, to keep his levels in the mid-normal range after his years of abuse of steroids left him at around a level of 70-80).

That said, the Taxadrol in the pre-workout in K-Otic is only there for a quick, transient rise in test to help with aggression. The product Test Charge is an actual "test-booster" product.

As I get more info on Taxadrol (Jeff's specific research, etc) I will certainly share it.

 

[Built]

For now Eric I'll be satisfied with knowing which species of yew this particular plant is.

 

[juggernaut]

(side note: Flex Wheeler has been able to get off all TRT and just use Test Charge, mentioned below, to keep his levels in the mid-normal range after his years of abuse of steroids left him at around a level of 70-80).

This is too easy to ridicule so I'm going to take the higher road. Thanks for the "explanation" Mr. Bosr.

 

[juggernaut]

For now Eric I'll be satisfied with knowing which species of yew this particular plant is.

I also enjoy the cannabis species and find it quite effective in fucking me up quite well. Oh, and research proves that it ACTUALLY works.

 

[gopro]

This is too easy to ridicule so I'm going to take the higher road. Thanks for the "explanation" Mr. Bosr.

#1...spell my name correctly b/c you do know exactly how it is spelled.

#2...do not even make the assumption a product works or does not work unless you have personally tried it.

#3...there is nothing to ridicule about that statement about Flex at all. As a former major steroid user he completely shut down his production of testosterone and had no choice but to go onto TRT. When Jeff began working with Test Charge he asked Flex to go off TRT and let his levels bottom out once again. Doing bloodwork all along Flex's test levels went from a level of 70-80 to between 400-500 and he is able to keep it there by regularly cycling TC. This is just fact. In addition, Flex was trying to have another child with his wife while on TRT and was unsuccessful. Shortly after he began using Test Charge his did in fact successfully get his wife pregnant. Again, just a fact.

(Note: others who have tested TC and had bloodwork done have had increases of up to 300% in natural test production...fact, not fiction)

If you would for once in your life pull yourself out of your negativity, stop your personal issues with me, and open you mind just slightly, you may just realize that there are some products produced on the market that actually do what they say they do. AAEFX does their due diligence on everything, and make sure what they produce a) WORKS, b) IS SAFE.

I will also take the high road here and leave it at that.

 

[gopro]

For now Eric I'll be satisfied with knowing which species of yew this particular plant is.

As for you, I will ask this question so you can pursue your "scientific research" into the matter. I know this has become quite important for you and Juggernaut.

 

[Built]

As for you, I will ask this question so you can pursue your "scientific research" into the matter. I know this has become quite important for you and Juggernaut.

That'll be swell. Thanks.

 

[twarrior]

Bronk-aid and caffine tabs from fucking walmart

I've never seen a fucking Walmart?? Where are those at I've only seen regular Walmart or Super Walmart where I'm at.

 

[juggernaut]

#1...spell my name correctly b/c you do know exactly how it is spelled.

#2...do not even make the assumption a product works or does not work unless you have personally tried it.

#3...there is nothing to ridicule about that statement about Flex at all. As a former major steroid user he completely shut down his production of testosterone and had no choice but to go onto TRT. When Jeff began working with Test Charge he asked Flex to go off TRT and let his levels bottom out once again. Doing bloodwork all along Flex's test levels went from a level of 70-80 to between 400-500 and he is able to keep it there by regularly cycling TC. This is just fact. In addition, Flex was trying to have another child with his wife while on TRT and was unsuccessful. Shortly after he began using Test Charge his did in fact successfully get his wife pregnant. Again, just a fact.

(Note: others who have tested TC and had bloodwork done have had increases of up to 300% in natural test production...fact, not fiction)

If you would for once in your life pull yourself out of your negativity, stop your personal issues with me, and open you mind just slightly, you may just realize that there are some products produced on the market that actually do what they say they do. AAEFX does their due diligence on everything, and make sure what they produce a) WORKS, b) IS SAFE.

I will also take the high road here and leave it at that.

#2-3) Wow, did someone help you write that?
#4) Pertaining to #1, I just really dont give a shit how you spell your name.

 

[OutWhey]

gotta be the magnesium or the zinc. It made my cock 12 inches wider.

12" wider and 6" longer I bet

 

[juggernaut]

yes!

 

[Built]

If your supplement company does its due diligence Eric, I'm sure they'll have no trouble letting you know the name of the plant used for this supplement.

My concern here isn't that your supplement doesn't stimulate a transient increase in testosterone - but rather, the means through which it does so. In the case of Paclitaxel, the rise in FSH is consistent with the testicular damage which occurs with its use. As gonadal damage lowers testosterone output, FSH rises to stimulate the testes, to produce more testosterone. As testicular damage increases, FSH fails to elicit a result - and hence, testosterone drops. An aromatase inhibitor taken at this time would indeed help elevate testosterone levels - at first. With less testosterone being aromatized, more will remain in the bloodstream - again, for a while. Continued use of paclitaxel causes irreversible gonadal harm.

My hope is that the species of yew used in this test booster has a different effect.

I look forward to reading more on the subject.

 

[juggernaut]

If your supplement company does its due diligence Eric, I'm sure they'll have no trouble letting you know the name of the plant used for this supplement.

My concern here isn't that your supplement doesn't stimulate a transient increase in testosterone - but rather, the means through which it does so. In the case of Paclitaxel, the rise in FSH is consistent with the testicular damage which occurs with its use. As gonadal damage lowers testosterone output, FSH rises to stimulate the testes, to produce more testosterone. As testicular damage increases, FSH fails to elicit a result - and hence, testosterone drops. An aromatase inhibitor taken at this time would indeed help elevate testosterone levels - at first. With less testosterone being aromatized, more will remain in the bloodstream - again, for a while. Continued use of paclitaxel causes irreversible gonadal harm.

My hope is that the species of yew used in this test booster has a different effect.

I look forward to reading more on the subject.

Why would they even consider this "thing" for a supplement that can hurt your nuts? I cant understand it, and wheres the logic? And why is this company so secretive about what this crap really is?

 

[Built]

Why would they even consider this "thing" for a supplement that can hurt your nuts? I cant understand it, and wheres the logic? And why is this company so secretive about what this crap really is?

Now, let's be fair here. We don't know which plant this is. Let's wait for Eric to get that information for us.

As an aside, I wonder what Mr. Wheeler's HRT protocol looked like before he went off, and how long he had been off HRT before starting on this supplement. I know a lot of guys who ran boatloads of gear back in the day, and most of 'em were able to get their nuts back just by waiting long enough. It's kinda like folk-remedies for the common cold. Use 'em, and the cold clears up in seven days. Don't, and it'll go away in a week.

 

[juggernaut]

Now, let's be fair here. We don't know which plant this is. Let's wait for Eric to get that information for us.

Good point.

As an aside, I wonder what Mr. Wheeler's HRT protocol looked like before he went off, and how long he had been off HRT before starting on this supplement. I know a lot of guys who ran boatloads of gear back in the day, and most of 'em were able to get their nuts back just by waiting long enough. It's kinda like folk-remedies for the common cold. Use 'em, and the cold clears up in seven days. Don't, and it'll go away in a week.

LOL