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The problem with this country is no one is held accountable. We allow people to live free and with no repercussion. We allow people to milk welfare and take advantage of a system that is used to help people not support them. Welfare should only be a stepping stone to aide an out of work person to get a job or get an education. I feel if they show no improvement in self status then they should lose their privileged of welfare. Meaning if they show no progression to be a contributing factor of society in x amount of years they lose the ability for aide. Or down grade the welfare to subsidized apartments and food rations. Limit their $$ that is received but still provide housing and food, but at this point they have no choice where they live or what they eat, until they can prove them selves back as a hard working citizen.

To many people live a life style of 100k a year when they only make 20-30k a year that is another problem. We as people need to get our heads out of our ass because the gov't feeds on this and will continue to take control of our rights because some people just can not take care of them selves.

Then you have big corps that suck every cent and are corrupt. I believe that big corps run this country because they create jobs and an economy, but they also need to be held accountable for their actions. I do believe in outsourcing to an extent because there is no way the average person can afford to pay 15$ for a white t shirt when you can get a 3 pack for 7$ and ect. but outsourcing the entire company to save taxes and ect is unmoral. There has to be an extent of outsourcing because we purchase many items from over seas companies like samsung, toshiba, lenovo, and ect. There is NO way Apple, Dell, and other American companies can even compete in that market with out outsourcing. The only way to truly end outsourcing is to change the global way the market is, but then we would all be fucked buying a 1000$ cell phone.
 
how do you explain the increased revenue that happened after the bush tax cuts were in place?
thats easy, if you make $10 and I take $5 then I give you a break and start taking $2 you just jumped from $5 to $7, that can be huge if were talking over millions
 
how do you explain the increased revenue that happened after the bush tax cuts were in place?

almost the entire increase in real GDP growth during the post 2001 economy was from consumption in housing (mortgage debt) and related markets and supply-chains. supply-side tax cuts always benefit those in the upper incomes the most. according to data from the IMF, FRB, World Bank and the National Association of Mortgage Brokers speculators accounted for almost 30-40% of home sales in many of the major bubble cities. those extra monies added fuel to the fire and pushed the unrealistic home values and appreciation rates to record levels during the housing boom years. US homes were never used as a short term commodity until the tax payer relief act of 1997 was passed (TRA97) which actually started off the housing market boom. "flipping" houses didn't occur prior to the change in the capital gains taxes on residential homes. the housing boom was caused by legislation and not natural market principles and it was all unsustainable. the FED jumped in after the first round of tax cuts were passed and took rates down lower which was a major catalyst as well. when they started to raise rates again in 2005 to slow down housing consumption is when the market started to slow and those artificially inflated home values started to fall.

the month after TRA97 was passed housing turnover increased in all 50 states. in a "healthy" economy home values should appreciate about the same as the real inflation rate 3-4% a year in a good market. in the big bubble cities like here in Vegas and AZ homes were appreciating at 20-30% a year.

Case Shiller Historical Housing Index
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/case-shiller-updated.png

Federal Funds Rate History
Debt Outstanding Domestic Nonfinancial Sectors - Household, Home Mortgage Sector (HHMSDODNS) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

US Mortgage Dept
Historical Changes of the Target Federal Funds and Discount Rates - Federal Reserve Bank of New York

* economics & science 101 - what can not be sustained will not be
 
almost the entire increase in real GDP growth during the post 2001 economy was from consumption in housing (mortgage debt) and related markets and supply-chains. supply-side tax cuts always benefit those in the upper incomes the most. according to data from the IMF, FRB, World Bank and the National Association of Mortgage Brokers speculators accounted for almost 30-40% of home sales in many of the major bubble cities. those extra monies added fuel to the fire and pushed the unrealistic home values and appreciation rates to record levels during the housing boom years. US homes were never used as a short term commodity until the tax payer relief act of 1997 was passed (TRA97) which actually started off the housing market boom. "flipping" houses didn't occur prior to the change in the capital gains taxes on residential homes. the housing boom was caused by legislation and not natural market principles and it was all unsustainable. the FED jumped in after the first round of tax cuts were passed and took rates down lower which was a major catalyst as well. when they started to raise rates again in 2005 to slow down housing consumption is when the market started to slow and those artificially inflated home values started to fall.

the month after TRA97 was passed housing turnover increased in all 50 states. in a "healthy" economy home values should appreciate about the same as the real inflation rate 3-4% a year in a good market. in the big bubble cities like here in Vegas and AZ homes were appreciating at 20-30% a year.

Case Shiller Historical Housing Index
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/case-shiller-updated.png

Federal Funds Rate History
Debt Outstanding Domestic Nonfinancial Sectors - Household, Home Mortgage Sector (HHMSDODNS) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

US Mortgage Dept
Historical Changes of the Target Federal Funds and Discount Rates - Federal Reserve Bank of New York

* economics & science 101 - what can not be sustained will not be

and how do you explain why revenue went up after Reagan and Kennedy's tax cuts?
 
and how do you explain why revenue went up after Reagan and Kennedy's tax cuts?

there have been many economic reports on all this stuff. people just can't look at the numbers with out looking at what's driving them.

US fed gov revenues have doubled every decade since the Great Depression.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist02z1.xls

in all honestly I've never looked as to the drivers of the increase in revenue after the JFK tax cuts. but I do know that Reagan cut the top rates and lowered them on capital and corp profits and then turned around and increased taxes on the working class and reduced deductions non-business owners, etc. to help to make up for the budget shortfall. in the 80's the main drivers of that growth was the tens of millions of baby boomers entering the workforce and there exiting from the workforce is exactly why the US social security system will be underfunded years down the road. they account for almost 1/3 of the total US population and current workforce and hold the majority of the high paying "middle class jobs". the post WWII population boom happened in all the wealthy country's across the OECD.

REVENUE EFFECTS OF MAJOR TAX BILLS by
Jerry Tempalski
U.S. Department of the Treasury
OTA Working Paper 81 Revised September 2006
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/tax-analysis/Documents/ota81.pdf

* the drastic lowering of taxes on capital and corp profts, etc. and the opening up of loopholes and offshore tax havens (off-sheet balance reporting, etc.) in the US and it alone is why it's the only country in the OECD that has a government that is bought and paid for by capital. it is also the only democratic country in the OECD with only 2 distinct political party's. when inequality in the US was much lower the economy was better FOR ALL and there were decades with out recessions and "democracy" worked for the majority and now it only serves the 1% and their interests. decades post the great depression the economic problems started again when Nixon took the USD completely fiat which caused the oil shock of the 70's and the financial deregulation of the 80's which was the root cause of the record US household debt build up which peaked in 2008 at 100% of GDP, the 2nd time in US history it has hit that level.

Household Sector: Liabilities: Household Credit Market Debt Outstanding (CMDEBT) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

Household Debt Vs. GDP : Planet Money : NPR

cause and effect
 
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Household Debt Hits Pre-Recession Levels Largely Due to Defaults | TIME.com


US consumer borrowing rises to record $2.75T - Yahoo! Finance


Higher prices push up consumer spending at the expense of savings - latimes.com

U.S. household debt posts largest rise since 2008 | Reuters

and some info from the Philadelphia Fed
Consumer Credit & Payments Statistics - Philadelphia Fed

U.S. Income Inequality: It's Worse Today Than It Was in 1774 - Jordan Weissmann - The Atlantic

* there is no "good" economic news coming ANYTIME, it's all just smoke and mirrors and bullshit numbers. anybody still think EXTREME income inequality doesn't matter in a consumption based economy with a massive self-serving financial sector?
 
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For Two Economists, the Buffett Rule Is Just a Start
By ANNIE LOWREY

WASHINGTON ? High earners who are worried that this year?s Tax Day will be the last one before their rates rise have more than just the White House and Washington to blame. They can also look to two academically revered, if publicly obscure, left-leaning French economists whose work is the subtext for the battle over tax fairness.

Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty have spent the last decade tracking the incomes of the poor, the middle class and the rich in countries across the world. More than anything else, their work shows that the top earners in the United States have taken a bigger and bigger share of overall income over the last three decades, with inequality nearly as acute as it was before the Great Depression.

Known in Washington and the economics profession by the of-course-you-know shorthand ?Piketty-Saez,? the two have been denounced on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal and won mention in White House budget documents.

Mr. Saez, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, has won the John Bates Clark Medal, an economic laurel considered second only to the Nobel, as well as a MacArthur Fellowship grant. Mr. Piketty, 40, of the Paris School of Economics, has won Le Monde?s prize for best young economist, among other awards.

Both admire, even adore, the United States, they say, for its entrepreneurial drive, innovative spirit and, not least, its academic excellence: the two met while re-searchers in Cambridge, Mass. But both also express bewilderment over the current conversation about whether the wealthy, who have taken most of America?s income gains over the last 30 years, should be paying higher taxes.

?The United States is getting accustomed to a completely crazy level of inequality,? Mr. Piketty said, with a degree of wonder. ?People say that reducing inequality is radical. I think that tolerating the level of inequality the United States tolerates is radical.?

As much as Mr. Piketty?s and Mr. Saez?s work has informed the national debate over earnings and fairness, their proposed corrective remains far outside the bounds of polite political conversation: much, much higher top marginal tax rates on the rich, up to 50 percent, or 70 percent or even 90 percent, from the current top rate of 35 percent.

The two economists argue that even Democrats? boldest plan to increase taxes on the wealthy ? the Buffett Rule, a 30 percent minimum tax on earnings over $1 million ? would do little to reverse the rich?s gains. Many of the Republican tax proposals on the table might increase income inequality, at least in the short term, according to William G. Gale of the Tax Policy Center and many other left-leaning and centrist economists.

Conservatives respond that high tax rates would stifle economic growth, at a minimum, and cause some businesses and high-income workers to flee to other countries. When top American tax rates were much higher, from the 1940s through the 1970s, businesses could not relocate as easily as they can now, say critics of Mr. Piketty and Mr. Saez.

?I materially disagree with the idea you can raise a marginal tax rate to 70 percent and not have an impact on economic growth,? said Ike Brannon, an economist at the American Action Forum. ?It?s absurd on its face.?

But Mr. Piketty and Mr. Saez argue that history is on their side: Many countries have higher tax rates ? and the United States has had higher tax rates ? without stifling growth or encouraging the concentration of income in the hands of the very rich.

?In a way, the United States is becoming like Old Europe, which is very strange in historical perspective,? Mr. Piketty said. ?The United States used to be very egalitarian, not just in spirit but in actuality. Inequality of wealth and income used to be much larger in France. And very high taxes on the very rich ? that was invented in the United States,? he said.

Mr. Saez added, ?Absent drastic policy changes, I doubt that income inequality will decline on its own.?

The two economists? project of mapping income inequality started two decades ago, when Mr. Saez was teaching at Harvard and Mr. Piketty teaching down the road at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Their innovation was to measure American income inequality historically. Existing data went back only to the 1970s. Tedious archival research at the Internal Revenue Service allowed them to stretch the data all the way back to 1913.

Once they had collected the data, the computation was easy. They figured out the benchmark for various income levels ? the top 10 percent, top 1 percent and top 0.1 percent of earners, for instance ? and calculated what share of income each group took each year.

What they found startled them. As in other industrially advanced countries, income inequality in the United States fell after World War II, a period that economic historians call the ?Great Compression,? and remained stable through much of the 1970s.

But then inequality started increasing again, with the top 1 percent of earners drawing a bigger and bigger share of overall income. Their graph showing the trend became well-known: a deep U, with inequality as acute today as it was just before the depression.

When they first published their work, income inequality was mostly off the political radar screen, thanks to the 1990s boom, Mr. Saez said.

?Growing inequality was not perceived to be an issue because the economy was growing fast and even the incomes of the 99 percent were growing significantly,? he said.

But the deep downturn of the last few years, and Mr. Obama?s election, brought the issue back to the fore. Peter R. Orszag, the former Obama budget director, has said the Piketty-Saez work ?helped to point the way for the administration in its pledge to rebalance the tax code.?

Now living many time zones apart, Mr. Piketty and Mr. Saez update their work with frequent e-mails, Skype conversations and data-sharing through Dropbox.

They have found that the trends have mostly continued. From 2000 to 2007, incomes for the bottom 90 percent of earners rose only about 4 percent, once adjusted for inflation. For the top 0.1 percent, incomes climbed about 94 percent.

The recession interrupted the trend, with the sharp decline in stock prices hitting the pocketbooks of the rich. But the income share of 1 percent has since rebounded. Data that the two economists released in March showed that the top 1 percent of earners got nearly every dollar of the income gains eked out in the first full year of the recovery. In 2010, the top 10 percent of earners took about half of overall income.

That has led the two economists to renew their calls for higher rates on the rich. Along with Peter Diamond, an emeritus professor at M.I.T. and a Nobel laureate, Mr. Saez has estimated the ?optimal? top tax rates for the wealthy ? getting the most revenue from those most able to surrender it ? to be between 45 and 70 percent.

In France, Fran?ois Hollande, the Socialist who may well succeed Nicolas Sarkozy as president, wants to raise the top marginal income tax rate to 75 percent, calling earnings over a million euros ?impossible.? A candidate yet farther on the left suggests a top rate of 100 percent.?The debate in Washington is between the Bush-era and Clinton-era tax rates,? said Mr. Diamond, whom Mr. Obama nominated to the Federal Reserve and Republicans blocked. ?Our finding is that the debate should be between the pre-1986 Reagan tax rate, which was 50 percent, and the rates that existed from Johnson until Reagan,? which were higher.

?Thirty percent is three times smaller than the 91 percent of Roosevelt,? Mr. Piketty said, responding to the Buffett Rule proposal and referring to the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt, who engineered the New Deal. ?And inequality is greater than in the time of Roosevelt.?
 
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Top Incomes and the Great Recession: Recent Evolutions and Policy Implications

Thomas Piketty
Paris School of Economics

Emmanuel Saez
University of California, Berkeley

Paper presented at the 13th Jacques Polak Annual Research Conference
Hosted by the International Monetary Fund
Washington, DC─November 8?9, 2012

http://www.imf.org/external/np/res/seminars/2012/arc/pdf/PS.pdf
 
The problem with this country is no one is held accountable. We allow people to live free and with no repercussion. We allow people to milk welfare and take advantage of a system that is used to help people not support them. Welfare should only be a stepping stone to aide an out of work person to get a job or get an education. I feel if they show no improvement in self status then they should lose their privileged of welfare. Meaning if they show no progression to be a contributing factor of society in x amount of years they lose the ability for aide. Or down grade the welfare to subsidized apartments and food rations. Limit their $$ that is received but still provide housing and food, but at this point they have no choice where they live or what they eat, until they can prove them selves back as a hard working citizen.

To many people live a life style of 100k a year when they only make 20-30k a year that is another problem. We as people need to get our heads out of our ass because the gov't feeds on this and will continue to take control of our rights because some people just can not take care of them selves.

Then you have big corps that suck every cent and are corrupt. I believe that big corps run this country because they create jobs and an economy, but they also need to be held accountable for their actions. I do believe in outsourcing to an extent because there is no way the average person can afford to pay 15$ for a white t shirt when you can get a 3 pack for 7$ and ect. but outsourcing the entire company to save taxes and ect is unmoral. There has to be an extent of outsourcing because we purchase many items from over seas companies like samsung, toshiba, lenovo, and ect. There is NO way Apple, Dell, and other American companies can even compete in that market with out outsourcing. The only way to truly end outsourcing is to change the global way the market is, but then we would all be fucked buying a 1000$ cell phone.

Cracks in the globalization matrix are appearing.
Apple is starting to move manufacturing back to the United States.

I have managed offshore teams and there are serious issues inherent within globalized process gaps and process executions that increase corporate overhead costs and cause negative customer satisfaction.
Costs that are buried within creative corporate accounting and financial engineering.
They never show up on corporate SEC reporting numbers and quarterly shareholder meeting presentations.
 
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The problem with this country is no one is held accountable. We allow people to live free and with no repercussion. We allow people to milk welfare and take advantage of a system that is used to help people not support them. Welfare should only be a stepping stone to aide an out of work person to get a job or get an education. I feel if they show no improvement in self status then they should lose their privileged of welfare.

they do as of the 1996 Welfare Reform Act. lifetime benefits are limited to 60 months, that's it. some states convicted felons can not collect any benefits depending on what their charge was. the days of the welfare queens milking the system have been over for almost 20 years. if you get caught not reporting income, the first time you get violated and loss some benefits in food stamps the next time you get dropped and can face felony charges.

the percentage of the US population collecting actual cash transfers has not changed since 1996. I know girls out here in Vegas that are single moms and they have made it such a pain in the ass, people only file when it's a last resort because they are all up in your business. at your home, your bank account statements, etc. and they make people go down to the center and do volunteer work, look for employment, etc. it's nothing like they make it out on tv anymore. but of course people like to make a big deal out of it. less than 3% of the total US population collects direct cash transfers. in 2011 the amount of money in the budget going to direct cash assistance was only 9B down from 20B in 1996.

THE BEST WAY TO REDUCE WELFARE SPENDING IS TO NOT DESIGN AN ECONOMY WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION RECEIVES LOW WAGES. AND NOT DEREGULATE THE FINANCIAL SECTOR

* you can't have the super-rich, large firms making record profits, deregulation and a large financial sector AND have low welfare spending and unemployment. there is no country in the world that operates as such, the math just isn't there. where do you think all those profits are coming from? they flow from the bottom to the top. the top 10% are taking in 50% of the total US.

Distribution of Income: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

of the 5 income quintiles in the US the national income is distributed in 2001:

Top (5th) 47%
4th 22.9%
3rd 15.4
2nd 9.7%
1st 4.2%
 
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Cracks in the globalization matrix are appearing.
Apple is starting to move manufacturing back to the United States.

I have managed offshore teams and there are serious issues inherent within globalized process gaps and process executions that increase corporate overhead costs and cause negative customer satisfaction.
Costs that are buried within creative corporate accounting and financial engineering.
They never show up on corporate SEC reporting numbers and quarterly shareholder meeting presentations.

Apple is only having some minor assembly moved back to the US due to the increasing costs of transportation. nothing major only enough for a couple of hundred jobs.

the US lacks the types of state of the art manufacturing plants like they have in China at FoxConn etc. they would have to build their own here in the states and that's not going to happen IMO. that's one of the reasons they became so profitable as all of those productions costs that go with the physical facility were put on FoxConn all Apple has ever paid for was the actual labor and shipping costs. the workers there were complaining about wages I think it was last year or the year before and Apple told FoxConn to take it out of "their" profits. their wage share for workers is about 25m in China and for total Apple workers in the US closer to 700m.

this is and has always been the main driver of profits for the capitalists since the late 1800's, complete exploitation of labor by capital.
 
Anyone one of you members think that by raising taxes on the rich will do anything is wrong.Even if they do it will only raise 85 billion which will keep the GOV running for 8 days.Its a spending problem and I hope they go over the cliff because sooner or later the moron president will get the blame.
 
Anyone one of you members think that by raising taxes on the rich will do anything is wrong.Even if they do it will only raise 85 billion which will keep the GOV running for 8 days.Its a spending problem and I hope they go over the cliff because sooner or later the moron president will get the blame.

everything you think you know is based on ideology. Myself and many others on the other hand prefer to use real world economic data.

if you look at the graph from the St. Louis FED you see that starting in '81 when supply-side tax cuts were first enacted spending outpaced total receipts. Clinton increased taxes along with increased tax revenues coming in from workers due to the tech sector boom we see a balanced budget in 1999. and then again after the Bush supply side tax cuts were see major deficits occurring again with gains of revenue coming from the manufactured housing boom. then in 2008 the recession hits spending continues at previous trends while tax receipts plummet.

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...eral Tax Revenues vs. Government Spending.png

from the US Treasury report on page. 7

"The revenue estimates for the bills in the 1968-2006 period suggest that the period can broken into three subperiods. First, most of the bills enacted before 1982 were tax cuts. During this period, inflation was relatively high and the individual income tax parameters were not indexed for inflation. Without indexation, inflation can push taxpayers into higher tax brackets without any increase in real income. This phenomenon is called ?bracket creep,? and it increases federal revenue as a percentage of GDP without any legislative action. In fact, when inflation is relatively high and bracket creep is particularly intense, as it was through much of the 1970's, policymakers have to cut taxes repeatedly to maintain the desired level of taxes. Of the 9 major tax bills enacted between 1968 and 1981, 6 reduced federal revenue. Second, in 1981, ERTA was enacted, which provided for the indexation of the individual income tax parameters. The combination of indexation and relatively large federal budget

deficits helped cause 9 of the 11 major tax bills enacted between 1982 and 1993 to increase federal revenue. Third, all 8 of the major tax bills enacted after 1993 have reduced federal revenue, some as a result of soaring federal revenue in the late 1990's and early 2000's that pushed the federal budget into surplus for the first time in many years."

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/tax-analysis/Documents/ota81.pdf
 
Cracks in the globalization matrix are appearing.
Apple is starting to move manufacturing back to the United States.

I have managed offshore teams and there are serious issues inherent within globalized process gaps and process executions that increase corporate overhead costs and cause negative customer satisfaction.
Costs that are buried within creative corporate accounting and financial engineering.
They never show up on corporate SEC reporting numbers and quarterly shareholder meeting presentations.
Not to mention the idiocy of people in other countries. I've dealt with Indians (dot, not feather) several times over the last decade. They are universally poor thinkers. You have to hold their hand on everything. The following is a real phone conversation that I had. I only edited it for anonymity.

Me: Hello.
Indian: Uh...hi. I was calling because I called <a person> and he didn't pick up.
Me: Well, call him again.
Indian: Okay. Thank you. <click>

In the West, we're told to think outside of the box. Indians are so far in the box that they don't even know they're in it.

There is a shit-ton of money spent in micromanaging that has to be done when outsourcing. There's also the hard to quantify costs of projects running late. The mentality of the bean counters is ridiculous.

Apple is bringing back some of the manufacturing to the US. The reality is that a lot of the manufacturing, the chipsets and such, were already done here. We'd build the complex components here, ship them to China where the housing were made, have them assembled, and shipped back to the US. The downside to the move that Apple is making is that it won't create a lot of skilled positions. It'll mostly be labor related to maintaining a robotic facility.

The nice part about that move is that it's setting a very visible precedent of using machines to replace foreign labor. Replacing a 100% loss of work to another country with even 10% of that labor here is a win. Not only does it return as least some work to the US, it means that US has made a move to be self-sustaining. Keep in mind that the engineering that made the microchips -- you know, the skilled labor and fabrication facilities -- were already here because it never left.

If I were China I'd be worried about this move. Their overall manufacturing went up, but the USA portion contracted. So too did the EU portion. If that trend continues, and when you toss in their "ghost cities", China could be looking at some very, very rough times.
 
Hope and Change?

more like cause and effect from policy in the 80's...

the distribution of income below is from 2001 and Obama was elected in 2009: how exactly does the POTUS rectify this? with magic? praying to god?

Top (5th) 47% - 178K a year and up
4th 22.9% $79K a year

* the number of workers here is 15M bringing home 70% of the total income in the US

3rd 15.4 - $49K a year
2nd 9.7% - $29K a year
1st 4.2% - $11k a year

* which leaves 135M workers to share the remaining 30% of the national income which once adjusted for inflation has the same purchasing power of between $27,686.25-$6,215.28 in 1990's dollars.

there is certainly no problem with a consumption based economy with those numbers....LMAO! you think maybe that's why household debt has exploded since the 80's?..nah...it's just the financial innovation that creates wealth out of nothing has the same effect as forgery, it devalues the purchasing power of "real" currency.

Household Sector: Liabilities: Household Credit Market Debt Outstanding (CMDEBT) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

Wage Statistics for 2010
 
and here is some historical data from the Census with charts showing how the percentage of the income distribution has changed over the years.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0694.pdf

and the increase in the US civilian labor force from 1950 to present. so the total labor force has increased from 80M in 1980 to about 150M today. so that's almost double the amount of US workers that have to share a constantly decreasing share of the national income.

Civilian Labor Force (CLF16OV) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

so exactly what type of policy would change these trends? it's why you don't create problems that are near impossible to solve "unless" there is no intention of doing such. the ONLY thing that can change the US economy is if there is LESS INEQUALITY as is seen in Brazil and other country's that are seeing faster SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH . economic policy which is the EXACT opposite of the current GOP rhetoric which has done nothing except increase it over the past 30 years as the latest Congressional Research report has stated.

Taxes and the Economy - An Economic Analysis of the Top Tax Rates Since 1945

"Summary
Income tax rates have been at the center of recent policy debates over taxes. Some policymakers have argued that raising tax rates, especially on higher income taxpayers, to increase tax revenues is part of the solution for long-term debt reduction. For example, the Senate recently passed the Middle Class Tax Cut (S. 3412), which would allow the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire for taxpayers with income over $250,000 ($200,000 for single taxpayers). The Senate recently
considered legislation, the Paying a Fair Share Act of 2012 (S. 2230), that would implement the ?Buffett rule? by raising the tax rate on millionaires.

Other recent budget and deficit reduction proposals would reduce tax rates. The President?s 2010 Fiscal Commission recommended reducing the budget deficit and tax rates by broadening the tax base?the additional revenues from broadening the tax base would be used for deficit reduction and tax rate reductions. The plan advocated by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan that is embodied in the House Budget Resolution (H.Con.Res. 112), the Path to Prosperity, also proposes to reduce income tax rates by broadening the tax base. Both plans would broaden the tax
base by reducing or eliminating tax expenditures. Advocates of lower tax rates argue that reduced rates would increase economic growth, increase saving and investment, and boost productivity (increase the economic pie). Proponents of higher
tax rates argue that higher tax revenues are necessary for debt reduction, that tax rates on the rich are too low (i.e., they violate the Buffett rule), and that higher tax rates on the rich would moderate increasing income inequality (change how the economic pie is distributed). This report attempts to clarify whether or not there is an association between the tax rates of the highest income taxpayers and economic growth. Data is analyzed to illustrate the association between the
tax rates of the highest income taxpayers and measures of economic growth. For an overview of the broader issues of these relationships see CRS Report R42111, Tax Rates and Economic Growth, by Jane G. Gravelle and Donald J. Marples.

Throughout the late-1940s and 1950s, the top marginal tax rate was typically above 90%; today it is 35%. Additionally, the top capital gains tax rate was 25% in the 1950s and 1960s, 35% in the 1970s; today it is 15%. The real GDP growth rate averaged 4.2% and real per capita GDP increased annually by 2.4% in the 1950s. In the 2000s, the average real GDP growth rate was 1.7% and real per capita GDP increased annually by less than 1%. There is not conclusive evidence, however, to substantiate a clear relationship between the 65-year steady reduction in the top tax rates and economic growth. Analysis of such data suggests the reduction in the top tax rates have had little association with saving, investment, or productivity growth. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. The share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families
increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. The evidence does not suggest necessarily a relationship between tax policy with regard to the top tax rates and the size of the economic pie, but there may be a relationship to how the economic pie is sliced."

* and that's exactly why people shouldn't listen to politicians when it comes to economic policy or far right ideologues as they know nothing about the topic. Who would have thought that using real world economic and historical data would be much better approach when formulating economic policy.
 
You can post your null shit reports and graphs and have a good jerk to it but nothing will get better in 4 years and we will be in this same mess,NO WORK,UNEMPLOYED,FREE PHONES,FREE FOOD,FREE HOUSING,10 BABIES FATHERS BLAH BLAH BLAH.
 
You can post your null shit reports and graphs and have a good jerk to it but nothing will get better in 4 years and we will be in this same mess,NO WORK,UNEMPLOYED,FREE PHONES,FREE FOOD,FREE HOUSING,10 BABIES FATHERS BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Preach on brother! Don't let facts get in the way of your preconceived notions.
 
You can post your null shit reports and graphs and have a good jerk to it but nothing will get better in 4 years and we will be in this same mess,NO WORK,UNEMPLOYED,FREE PHONES,FREE FOOD,FREE HOUSING,10 BABIES FATHERS BLAH BLAH BLAH.

tv and politicians don't form my opinions, I actually educate myself on subjects and shape my own. you should try it someday but I guess that would actually take effort and critical thought plus you might have to READ something and just not turn on the tv and be told what to know and think....your a good little sheep

proud to be ignorant...the new American GOP....:roflmao:

and of course nothing is going to get better but it just won't get any worst with the policy that causes all the problems in the first place, conservative economic policy. it will take the country DECADES TO RECOVER FROM THE ECONOMIC POLICY OF THE BUSH ADMIN.
 
4 years same situation no change country still in a mess.Some of you americans who voted for the Penis will eventualy get hit by losing your job,will have to go on unemployment,mabey get free food stamps you all will see.
 
4 years same situation no change country still in a mess.Some of you americans who voted for the Penis will eventualy get hit by losing your job,will have to go on unemployment,mabey get free food stamps you all will see.

no shit...how do you fix a problem in years that took decades to create, with magic? you don't solve many problems out there in the real world do you LOL....because they are always harder to fix than create and that holds especially true when it comes to economics.

let's see what does the IMF have to say about inequality and sustainable growth...

IMF STAFF DISCUSSION NOTE April 8, 2011 SDN/11/08
Inequality and Unsustainable Growth: Two Sides of the Same Coin?

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/sdn/2011/sdn1108.pdf
 
no shit...how do you fix a problem in years that took decades to create, with magic? you don't solve many problems out there in the real world do you LOL....because they are always harder to fix than create and that holds especially true when it comes to economics.

let's see what does the IMF have to say about inequality and sustainable growth...

IMF STAFF DISCUSSION NOTE April 8, 2011 SDN/11/08
Inequality and Unsustainable Growth: Two Sides of the Same Coin?

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/sdn/2011/sdn1108.pdf[/QUOTE


LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER
 
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