Ok, so I fucked up. I've always recovered very fast on shorter cycles. My last cycle came out to 15 weeks, test was run for 13 weeks, deca for 11 and eq for 12. I had no issues at all on cycle or coming off, PCT seemed to be going well. Then 5 weeks after PCT had started ED hit from out of no where. It's been about 2 weeks dealing with it now, PCT consisted of clomid, DAA and Erase (suicidal AI). Recovery has always been smooth that way. I don't know what else to do now, I am trying another round of DAA but so far nothing. I don't know if I should hit another SERM or what. I'm pretty much broken down into nothing now, 10 lbs lost in a little over a week due to inability to eat or even sleep hardly, let alone train. My wife has been very supportive but I feel even worse since we were trying to start a family and I can't even do the most basic part of it. Cialis hardly helps and I'm afraid to keep taking it for fear of becoming dependent on it. I'm going to try to get bloodwork next week hopefully if there is no improvement. This surely can't be deca dick coming almost 10 weeks after the last injection right?
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Problems post PCT, at a loss now
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malfeasance
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DAA and Erase? 
Never heard of 'em.
Never heard of 'em.malfeasance
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By the way, a long cycle with Deca included makes recovery very difficult (at least it was for me). I still had issues weeks after PCT. Things finally bounced back.
D-Aspartic Acid, pretty potent natural test booster. Erase is an OTC suicidal AI. Glad to hear you bounced back, I think I am going to drop taking just about everything and get blood work at the beginning of next week. I'm hoping it bounces back on its own, I just don't understand how it was fine during but right after PCT it went dead.
Did u take anything during cycle to combat the deca dick, caber or prami? What about an AI during cycle? I have heard of erase but it is not a suicidal AI like aromasin. You probably have a lot more going on than you think because I don't think your cycle nor PCT was really thought out much.
Caber was taken the entire time, also adex at .5mg eod. Never had an issue while on or even off until a week or so after PCT ended. Based on previous cycles I thought I had thought it out fine, apparently not.
Any HCG in there?
I had a long cycle of test/eq last year. It was hell to recover from. I had no sex drive for a good month or two after PCT. I felt sterile, it sucked. I didn't want to fuck but I didn't really have a problem keeping an erection.
I think you have a double whammy with the EQ and the Deca. I ran my EQ at 900mg/wk and I feel like since it's so long estered, 3 weeks isn't enough time for it to clear out. The deca long estered as well. And any 19-nor is going to be hard to recover from.
Wait until 8 weeks after your PCT and go get blood work. This will tell you if you are even recovering slightly? Don't take any SERM's or AI's in that entire 8 week time.
Or if you don't want to take blood work, all you can do is wait.
I had a long cycle of test/eq last year. It was hell to recover from. I had no sex drive for a good month or two after PCT. I felt sterile, it sucked. I didn't want to fuck but I didn't really have a problem keeping an erection.
I think you have a double whammy with the EQ and the Deca. I ran my EQ at 900mg/wk and I feel like since it's so long estered, 3 weeks isn't enough time for it to clear out. The deca long estered as well. And any 19-nor is going to be hard to recover from.
Wait until 8 weeks after your PCT and go get blood work. This will tell you if you are even recovering slightly? Don't take any SERM's or AI's in that entire 8 week time.
Or if you don't want to take blood work, all you can do is wait.
No on the hcg. I've been considering running 1,000iu 2x a week for a couple weeks then restart a clomid pct. I don't even know if a couple weeks on hcg would even be worthwhile or not since I've never used it before but I want to use the least I can possibly use to get back to normal asap. Sex drive is so-so, I want to but could also go without. It's the inability to even function that's killing me, I occasionally will wake up with one but not all the time or every morning, trying to get one is next to impossible though. It's not all psychological but that is certainly contributing to it. Never had an issue before now, I really don't want TRT at 23.
Dude we're close to the same age. Take my advice and spend the $50 on a blood test. It's the only way to know what's going on with your body at this time in your PCT. Look at the stickies and there is a link in there. It's worth every fucking cent.
Don't just go self medicating and throwing meds at yourself for a problem that you really don't know. That's going to be a waste of money and putting your body at risk. For the price of HCG, just go see what's going on with your body and then you know exactly what to do.
I got some of IML's test booster and ran it after my PCT. It seemed to help a bunch. Make sure to be off of that for at least 2 weeks before your blood work.
Don't just go self medicating and throwing meds at yourself for a problem that you really don't know. That's going to be a waste of money and putting your body at risk. For the price of HCG, just go see what's going on with your body and then you know exactly what to do.
I got some of IML's test booster and ran it after my PCT. It seemed to help a bunch. Make sure to be off of that for at least 2 weeks before your blood work.
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x2 on bloodwork, see what your hormones are doing and you'll know for sure what the best course of action is. If test is still really low run some more clomid+aromasin. Keep usin the cialis if you need it I don't think you can really become "dependent" on it.
I will be doing bloodwork soon. I'm dropping off everything so when it's had time to clear I will go get it. What scares me is I've done some searching on it and there were people who had the same issue but bloodwork came back fine with everything in range. If that is the case then I'd have no idea what to do next.
Went to Dr. and had follow up to see the bloodwork. Test came to 216 ng/dl and he wanted to put me on TRT. I'm needless to say pretty devastated now. Back up plan is hcg at 500IU for 12 days, Nolva 20/20/20/20/20/10, Aromasin 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 and Clomid 50/50/25 after hcg clears. The ED seems to be getting better, it can be slow but it works. I'm really worried about never being able to have a family of my own now and I can't afford fertility treatments. Is there really any hope at this point? It's been a couple months already and those levels are with 1 PCT..
I'm confused, what advice can anyone give you that you haven't already basically told us? It's normal to lose some ground after a deca cycle even if you have quality nutrition/training - but you're not eating or sleeping, so of course you're going to lose much more ground. That's to be expected.
I don't know what to tell you, man. You need to start eating and sleeping.
I don't know what to tell you, man. You need to start eating and sleeping.
I don't know what anyone can really say, I'm just trying to get a handle on it and get back on track and maybe some feedback along the way would be helpful. I don't even care about what I lose at this point, I just want to have a normal life and family.
Bro give it some time, it's normal to feel like shit and your dick not work after a cycle like that. Your body will reach homeostasis again it just takes time! Give it a 3-4 weeks of training hard and proper diet and then get your bloodwork done and see.
Im sure you feel like shit right now but I guarantee it will get better. DONT do trt, your doc probably has no idea about your usage.
Did you do bloodwork before your cycle? and how did you feel before you started
Im sure you feel like shit right now but I guarantee it will get better. DONT do trt, your doc probably has no idea about your usage.
Did you do bloodwork before your cycle? and how did you feel before you started
I felt fine before, no issues at all. Feeling much better since starting a second round of PCT, nuts have dropped down all the way and are back at full size now and dick issues have improved drastically. Still not 100% but it's operational. I'll be done with this round at the end of July and get bloodwork the 2nd or 3rd week of August, hopefully my body picks it up once everything is dropped but based on feeling it seems to be going much better than with clomid solo. That was my first with a cycle like that and it hit from out of nowhere. Horrible feeling and seriously fucks with your head. Regardless, recovery seems to be moving along now thankfully.
Understand, but I'm at least feeling like I will get back now. I didn't think there was much atrophy until using hcg, now that that's been reversed hopefully it allows the SERMS to work more effectively and get it rolling again.
You could be right. But if you come back off and wait 6-8 weeks and get retested and are still in the shitter, I'd go with the doc and hop on TRT. There are plenty of guys who are on TRT and have had kids. I understand your concern that would be my number one reason not to go on as well. Talk to your doctor about it and talk to other doctors about it and see what the facts are.
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sigh this is why nor19's scare the shit out of me, even though i do love to dance with it a little.
Followup bloodwork check e2 and prolactin. I alway's tell bro's to do short cycles 6-8weeks and stay away from 19 nor's and use HCG. Sucks to learn the hard way.
Use HCG 600iu every 3.5 day's and use the clomid/Aromasin afterward's. This should help you with recovery. Remember it could take up to a year for your HPTA to full recover from a Deca cycle on it's own. That is how bad 19's supress. So give it some time with your PCT. I would NOT advise you go on TRT @ 23. Good luck
