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Prop stacked with Tren?

chris2300

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About to finish a 10 week cycle of sust 250 stacked with primo 100 mon. and thurs. Thinking about going right into prop 100 stacked with tren acetate 100 m/w/f for a month; Any thoughts? Maybe do the tren/prop m/w and a longer ester on fridays? Just looking for something hardcore


5'11''
185 lbs.
8% bf
 
Ten weeks on bro give yourself some time off thats probably not what you wanna hear but its the truth. The longer you stay on the harder it is to recover. You dont wanna start the always on thing bro its not all its cracked up to be.
 
if you DO deside to run the Test prop and tren ace, the bare minimum would be mon/wed/fri injects for simplicity sake. EOD or ED is a better option.
 
the night sweats just started hitting me hard, its a bitch!!! But im using more than what your going to, just keep in mind if the sides get to bad you can back down the tren.
 
Tren Ace and Test Prop is a good combo and a good stack this far into a cycle.

M/W/F is fine.

Wouldn't you want to pin at least EOD to better utilize the prop though..?
 
Prop actually reachs it peak on the 3rd (maybe 4th) day, the tren ace is kinda the only one im iffy on, i think it peaks on day 2. Ive seen cycles with prop and tren ace were they only inject E3D and it worked out fine for them. I personally think ED or EOD is better but thats just me.
 
prop actually reachs it peak on the 3rd (maybe 4th) day, the tren ace is kinda the only one im iffy on, i think it peaks on day 2. Ive seen cycles with prop and tren ace were they only inject e3d and it worked out fine for them. I personally think ed or eod is better but thats just me.


eod
 
its great cycle,add 50mg winstrol a day
 
Gotta disagree one this one. Tren should definitely be pinned daily. Prop, eod max.
A year or so ago all the thread parrots were saying that sides would reduce and gains increase if Tren Ace was shot ed. So I decided to try it. I shot ed, eod, and 3 times weekly. My sides were easily as bad when shooting ed and my best run with tren ace was 3 times weekly.

Last year one of the vets at MD dug up a study showing Tren ace had a very long half life in cattle-15 days! It seems the ester did not drive the half life at all but the metabolites in trenbolone did. I was shocked to see the data. Then the doctor dug up another study done in humans that showed about a 63% excretion rate of Trenbolone Acetate in 72 hours. So essentially the half life was just short of 3 days in humans.

The Absorption, Distribution and Excretion of Anabolic Agents -- Heitzman 57 (1): 233 -- Journal of Animal Science
 
A year or so ago all the thread parrots were saying that sides would reduce and gains increase if Tren Ace was shot ed. So I decided to try it. I shot ed, eod, and 3 times weekly. My sides were easily as bad when shooting ed and my best run with tren ace was 3 times weekly.

Last year one of the vets at MD dug up a study showing Tren ace had a very long half life in cattle-15 days! It seems the ester did not drive the half life at all but the metabolites in trenbolone did. I was shocked to see the data. Then the doctor dug up another study done in humans that showed about a 63% excretion rate of Trenbolone Acetate in 72 hours. So essentially the half life was just short of 3 days in humans.

The Absorption, Distribution and Excretion of Anabolic Agents -- Heitzman 57 (1): 233 -- Journal of Animal Science

agree.
 
First off, you can not compare the absorption rate of a cow to a human being. It has absolutely no significance what so ever. So you can just throw that comparison right out the window. However, of extreme importance in that study, is the mention of two key points.

One, "The absorption rate of TA given by injection is exponential and thus is it is not generally possible to Maintain a threshold concentration for a long period. Initally plasma concentration greatly exceeds the threshold concentration, then falls to rapidly to be effective."

Second, " if the active agent is maintained at a concentration in the circulation that maintains the threshold concentration in the target cells, the result is optimum growth performance."

Now what is also important to not is that the decrease in plasma levels of an active compound is that it is exponential. This means that it decreases faster in the beginning, then more slowly over time. Now if you consider a linear decrease based on your statement that you believe TA has roughly a half life of just shy of 3 days, or 62% for 72 hours to be exact, means that the actual half life would be 58 hours. Now since it is not linear, but exponential in it's decline, it would actually be shorter than this. So lets just say it is actually 50 hours. This is 1.44 days. So I'll be modest and round up, I'll call the half life of the drug 1.5 days.

Now given a half life of 1.5 days, this means that before your next shot of eod dosing you have already dropped below 50% of the max concentration of the tren in your system. That creates quite a peak and trough. WHat dose this mean? That ed day injections will give a substantially more evel level of plasma concentration, and ruducing the possibility that you have gone passed the max threshhold. Which would result in less side effects and better results for optimum growth.

Now if you just go off your experience, what other factors were involved in your conclusion that you mwf protocol was more effective? More than likely quite a few. That being said, I too have ran tren several times, including MWF, EOD, and ED. And quite frankly I clearly feel better results and less sides with an ED protocol.

So? Shoot tren ed. :D
 
First off, you can not compare the absorption rate of a cow to a human being. It has absolutely no significance what so ever. So you can just throw that comparison right out the window. However, of extreme importance in that study, is the mention of two key points.

I actually thought I made it clear that they were not comparable since I reported 2 different half lives, one in cattle and one in humans. I did however find the data quite surprising.

One, "The absorption rate of TA given by injection is exponential and thus is it is not generally possible to Maintain a threshold concentration for a long period. Initally plasma concentration greatly exceeds the threshold concentration, then falls to rapidly to be effective."

Second, " if the active agent is maintained at a concentration in the circulation that maintains the threshold concentration in the target cells, the result is optimum growth performance."

Now what is also important to not is that the decrease in plasma levels of an active compound is that it is exponential. This means that it decreases faster in the beginning, then more slowly over time. Now if you consider a linear decrease based on your statement that you believe TA has roughly a half life of just shy of 3 days, or 62% for 72 hours to be exact, means that the actual half life would be 58 hours. Now since it is not linear, but exponential in it's decline, it would actually be shorter than this. So lets just say it is actually 50 hours. This is 1.44 days. So I'll be modest and round up, I'll call the half life of the drug 1.5 days.



Unfortunately half lives are commonly based on one single injection of one compound in virgin muscle. This is not a fair comparison because as you know guys who cycle aas inject many multiple times over and over again causing scar tissue. These many multiple depots and scar tissue will prolong absorption rates which has been reported when guys go and get blood work post cycle only to find out they are still under the influence of androgens. To further complicate matters, guys commonly mix esters in the same syringe. I happen to use Test Cyp with my Tren Ace. This would make the nice little charts showing blood androgen levels irrelevant =)

Now given a half life of 1.5 days, this means that before your next shot of eod dosing you have already dropped below 50% of the max concentration of the tren in your system. That creates quite a peak and trough. WHat dose this mean? That ed day injections will give a substantially more evel level of plasma concentration, and ruducing the possibility that you have gone passed the max threshhold. Which would result in less side effects and better results for optimum growth.

Now if you just go off your experience, what other factors were involved in your conclusion that you mwf protocol was more effective? More than likely quite a few. That being said, I too have ran tren several times, including MWF, EOD, and ED. And quite frankly I clearly feel better results and less sides with an ED protocol.

So? Shoot tren ed. :D

If you like pinning then have at it!
 
Hold on guys Ima get my dictionary:nerd:
 
I actually thought I made it clear that they were not comparable since I reported 2 different half lives, one in cattle and one in humans. I did however find the data quite surprising.





Unfortunately half lives are commonly based on one single injection of one compound in virgin muscle. This is not a fair comparison because as you know guys who cycle aas inject many multiple times over and over again causing scar tissue. These many multiple depots and scar tissue will prolong absorption rates which has been reported when guys go and get blood work post cycle only to find out they are still under the influence of androgens. To further complicate matters, guys commonly mix esters in the same syringe. I happen to use Test Cyp with my Tren Ace. This would make the nice little charts showing blood androgen levels irrelevant =)



If you like pinning then have at it!

LOL, thats right, do it how you want to. But in all fairness, I would just tell people to try it different ways and see what works best for them. Just one of them things, to each his own. I like to pin cyp or E e3d when I cycle. For TRT, I just do 100mg tues, fri. Works fine for me. But I can start feeling it at day five, and definitely feel it if I wait a whole week.

Maybe we could just get a little device implanted in us that had an inlet to fill it up with, and you could control how much you get at a continuous flow rate. :daydream:
 
LOL, thats right, do it how you want to. But in all fairness, I would just tell people to try it different ways and see what works best for them. Just one of them things, to each his own. I like to pin cyp or E e3d when I cycle. For TRT, I just do 100mg tues, fri. Works fine for me. But I can start feeling it at day five, and definitely feel it if I wait a whole week.

Maybe we could just get a little device implanted in us that had an inlet to fill it up with, and you could control how much you get at a continuous flow rate. :daydream:
If you could get hold of one of those continuos slin pumps you might be onto something....
 
LOL, thats right, do it how you want to. But in all fairness, I would just tell people to try it different ways and see what works best for them. Just one of them things, to each his own. I like to pin cyp or E e3d when I cycle. For TRT, I just do 100mg tues, fri. Works fine for me. But I can start feeling it at day five, and definitely feel it if I wait a whole week.

Maybe we could just get a little device implanted in us that had an inlet to fill it up with, and you could control how much you get at a continuous flow rate. :daydream:
Modify an insulin pump....
 
I'd be willing to test a prototype with a setting at 250mg/E3.5D
 
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