I wrote a while back about a cycle and got a lot of good info. I had previously been unable to get anything other than Sustenon. I can now get prop (testolic), would this be a better alternative? Is it true that prop is better to use when trying to control sides because its short esters and does not build up in the system like others do? From what I know, it is needed to be injected every third day, but I'm not sure as to how much in each injection. I had planned on doing the sus/deca/d-bol/nolva/hcg for 10 weeks. Seeing that prop is faster acting will the d-bol still be needed? I will probably be deleting the deca, going off advise from mudge, even though I have gotten great results from it the two times I used it. So, now we are looking at prop/nolva/?hcg?/?d-bol?. Will these be needed and which cycle looks better?
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Prop vs. Sustenon
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if you go with the prop you don't need the dbol. if you are looking to gain the most amount of mass with what you have then use prop/deca/HCG. I always use arimidex during the entire life of the cycle @ 25 mg/ED vs using 10-20 mg/ED of nolavdex...
hey bud
if you've used deca in the past with good results like you say, then stick with it..mudge man doesn't like deca because he didn't feel any results, it's all genetics
because of its short esters, you will see less side effects with prop, IMO
LAM is right, dbol is used to jump start an enan cycle, cuz the enan kicks in after 3 weeks, with prop you'll feel it right away...my vote goes with the prop/deca cycle
dosage wise..prop 75-100 mg e2d
deca 400 mg/week
obviously the use of hcg during and nolva pct
if you've used deca in the past with good results like you say, then stick with it..mudge man doesn't like deca because he didn't feel any results, it's all genetics
because of its short esters, you will see less side effects with prop, IMO
LAM is right, dbol is used to jump start an enan cycle, cuz the enan kicks in after 3 weeks, with prop you'll feel it right away...my vote goes with the prop/deca cycle
dosage wise..prop 75-100 mg e2d
deca 400 mg/week
obviously the use of hcg during and nolva pct
The only downside I can see to stacking other injectables with prop is that you will be doing ED injections. Thats tough to keep up for a long time. I'm sure after a while you get used to it. I would rather run a long ester with deca.
OK, found a source for Arimidex, damn that stuff is expensive!! Now, is it really that much better than the Nolvadex. I am sensitive to gyno so, I'm guessing that it is worth the extra cash. If I am going to be on a 10 week cycle then one pack of 28, 1mg tabs will last the entire cycle, taking .25mg daily. This look good??
10 weeks, Prop 100mg EOD
8 weeks, Deca 400mg weekly
10 weeks, HCG 250iu twice a week
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12 weeks Nolva 20mg daily
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12 weeks Arimidex .25mg daily
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10 weeks, Prop 100mg EOD
8 weeks, Deca 400mg weekly
10 weeks, HCG 250iu twice a week
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12 weeks Nolva 20mg daily
or
12 weeks Arimidex .25mg daily
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Not enough Prop...............go to 500-600mg/wk
Would it hurt to use .25mg Arimidex and a small dose, like 10mg Nolva or is this overkill? I have the Arimidex already but if it wouldn't hurt I will add the small dosage of Nolva in also.
As for the 500-600mg weekly of Prop, I would just up it to 150mg EOD, this should handle it, right?
As for the 500-600mg weekly of Prop, I would just up it to 150mg EOD, this should handle it, right?
If using a-dex, then it isn't necessary to use the nolva during the cycle. If gyno symptoms do appear then use 60-80mg ed of nolva until they subside. Otherwise use the nolva for pct.R1pilot said:
Yep. 150mg eod is perfect (525mg/wk).
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4000mg of the Prop I have is 100mg per 2ml amps and 1000mg is 100mg per 1ml, vial. Which of these two is going to be the "my ass is so sore I can't sit" stuff? I have never used Prop, but I have never had anything more than some of that "yeah poke it cause it's sore" stuff. And I'm guessing spot injections are out with this stuff.
Haven't seen any femera.. but I already have the a-dex so I'll go with that. I will keep taking it for a 2 week pct just like Nolva right? This is my problem, I don't know if I am to use itthrough the cycle and then use Nolva for pct or just extend the a-dex a for the pct?????
Run the a-dex right thru to the last day of the cycle. With a short ester like prop, start nolva immediately after the last shot and run for 4 weeks. 40mg ed first two weeks, 20mg ed the last two weeks. Nolva is used for pct because it stimulates testosterone production in the testes. AI's like a-dex and femera do not.
Jersey - sorry to pepper you with another question but I want to sponge as much information as possible. When doing Sustanon injections and winstrol tabs, do I need to run nolva from the start or just use it if I start experiencing sides? I have 50 20mg doses of nolva on hand. thanks.
4000mg of the Prop I have is 100mg per 2ml amps and 1000mg is 100mg per 1ml, vial. Which of these two is going to be the "my ass is so sore I can't sit" stuff? I have never used Prop, but I have never had anything more than some of that "yeah poke it cause it's sore" stuff. And I'm guessing spot injections are out with this stuff.
I've only used 100mg/ml prop. It made my quads sore for a few days, and I walked with a slight limp. In delts, not bad, and in the glutes I barely felt anything.R1pilot said:
