protein intake?

[molech]

hey guys i am go about 265 right now been back in the gym for 4 weeks now and starting to put size back on ( however i look like a powerlifter with my belly) but i think i am not going to worry about weight for right now and just get my size back. at my current body weight how many grams of protein should i be takeing in ? i have started eating a lot better chicken, tuna, fruit, plain bake potatos , veggies. ect. i figure i should get a little fat loss from change in diet, but not too concerned right now would rather grow...........i just need a number to shoot for in my diet for protein.

 

[ThreeGigs]

If you're average height, 200 grams a day is plenty. It's roughly one gram per pound of lean body mass.

 

[Bieberhole69]

He's trying to grow, not fit into a bikini. Dude, eat at least 400-500 g/protein/day if you're 265 and want to grow. At least.

 

[exphys88]

200 grams is plenty if your lbm is about that.

 

[juiceball44]

He's trying to grow, not fit into a bikini. Dude, eat at least 400-500 g/protein/day if you're 265 and want to grow. At least.

lol

 

[molech]

lol i dont think id look to cool in a bikini.................lol. thks guys.

 

[juiceball44]

I was not lol at the bikini remark it was what he said after that i was laughing at

 

[overburdened]

He's trying to grow, not fit into a bikini. Dude, eat at least 400-500 g/protein/day if you're 265 and want to grow. At least.

It takes less protein bulking than dieting bro... 1-1.25g/lb lbm is plenty for bulking. Calories should be coming from mod-high glycemic carbs(white rice, white potatoes, whole grains...etc), and good fats(olive oil, flax oil, fish such as salmon, nuts ...etc)...lean meats and eggs should comprise most of protein intake... With a good protein blend making up for any remaining protein needed(wouldn't exceed 25% of protein, when bulking, from supps)

 

[Bieberhole69]

Lol? Are you twelve? So you recommend 200 grams of protein/day to a guy that weighs 265 and wants to grow? Go ahead and give your advice and reasoning behind what you recommend this guy's diet should be to accomplish his goals, juiceball. I want to hear this...

 

[molech]

I was not lol at the bikini remark it was what he said after that i was laughing at

well i was thinking how ridiculous i would look in a bikini.................lol anyway thanks for the advice i never knew it took less protien to bulk interesting , it makes sense you would need more durring a diet.

 

[Bieberhole69]

It takes less protein bulking than dieting bro... 1-1.25g/lb lbm is plenty for bulking. Calories should be coming from mod-high glycemic carbs(white rice, white potatoes, whole grains...etc), and good fats(olive oil, flax oil, fish such as salmon, nuts ...etc)...lean meats and eggs should comprise most of protein intake... With a good protein blend making up for any remaining protein needed(wouldn't exceed 25% of protein, when bulking, from supps)

He weighs 265. 1.25 grams of protein per pound is 332 g/day. For what HIS goals are (read his post) he should take in more protein.

 

[juiceball44]

First off protein is based on lean body mass. He stated he had a "gut" so im going to say 265 is not an accurate weight to go by. In reality his lbm is much much lower. Second of all i am maintaining a lean 250lbs right now and dont eat any where close to "at least 400-500 grams protein a day" i bet some ifbb pros dont even get that much protein in lol

 

[sassy69]

He weighs 265. 1.25 grams of protein per pound is 332 g/day. For what HIS goals are (read his post) he should take in more protein.

Typically the rule of thumb is 1-1.5 x lean muscle mass = daily protein intake. To gain 1.5-2g lean muscle mass to gain. I would caveat that w/ paying attention to total cals as we don't know bodyfat. If you're 6'4", different story, but at 265, you probably don't want to get sloppy w/ your diet to gain. I'd probably go w/ a lean bulk approach so sufficient protein, and sufficient carbs to fuel the building, but not increasing fat weight too much.

 

[molech]

i posted a pic in my profile mabey you guys can get a better idea of my body fat ratio...........but dont let the pic fool you i am holding my fat belly in.............lol

 

[ThreeGigs]

Lol? Are you twelve? So you recommend 200 grams of protein/day to a guy that weighs 265 and wants to grow? Go ahead and give your advice and reasoning behind what you recommend this guy's diet should be to accomplish his goals, juiceball. I want to hear this...

Ok, I'll bite. But I'll require you to do some research.
Is whey protein a 'fast' protein? Meaning, is it absorbed quickly by the small intestine?
Just how quickly is whey protein absorbed?
How many hours are there in a day?

The answers you find to those questions should show you why numbers as high as 400-500 grams a day are ridiculous. However, I'm pretty sure you won't bother to search. You've obviously never questioned your own beliefs, nor had to defend them, otherwise you wouldn't have recommended what you did.

So, part two of your research: What percentage of muscle mass is protein? i.e. how many grams of protein in a pound of lean muscle?
Once you get that number, how much of the protein you recommended he eat will get turned into muscle?
Once you get that number, how much muscle could he expect to gain in one year?
If the amount that will get turned into muscle is a LOT less than what you recommended, you'll need to justify the difference.

My justification for 200 grams a day is based on limits of protein absorption, limits of muscle synthesis, and his estimated LEAN (not total) body mass, assuming 25% body fat, and includes a generous extra margin. I don't recommend more because there's no reason for him to feed the intestinal bacteria in his large intestine any protein, unless of course he WANTS his already large belly to get even larger from bloating and gas, and causing problems for the dog, who will undoubtedly be blamed for all the protein farts he'll be passing due to the previously mentioned well-fed intestinal bacteria.

Ok nature-boy (if I'm a juiceball, you're nature boy, -grin-), your turn to justify 400-500 grams.

 

[exphys88]

3 gigs,
Don't use a scientific argument around here, even if you have research and/or reputable health professionals to back you up.
If someone is huge and ripped, then he is obviously the expert on nutrition and exercise physiology.
I am amused how often someone says, "so and so eats this way and he's huge, therefore that is proof that everyone should eat that way.

 

[hoyle21]

Three gigs, can you mathematically work out the upper limit of protein absorption? I would actually love to see that.

 

[Merkaba]

He's trying to grow, not fit into a bikini. Dude, eat at least 400-500 g/protein/day if you're 265 and want to grow. At least.

2000 calories of protein a day?

And i will second the notion that in general the higher the other macs, the less the protein can be...to an extent.

 

[ThreeGigs]

Three gigs, can you mathematically work out the upper limit of protein absorption? I would actually love to see that.

Well, let's see. Can you name a protein that's absorbed faster than whey? If not, I'll use whey as it's the fastest one I know of. Studies show it's absorbed at about 10 grams per hour. There are 24 hours in a day, and ten times twenty-four equals two hundred and forty. Mathematical word problems like that are encountered in about third or fourth grade.

The issue, however, is that most people never bother to ask *why*, they simply follow all the other sheep/lemmings/herd animal of your choice. Do you use whey protein? Why? Why whey, not egg, or casein, or beef, or chicken, or soy? If you say because it's faster, how is the speed measured? What speed is it? If you say it has a better amino profile, what is the profile, and why is one amino profile better than another? And better for what...and for whom? If it's transportability, why not beef or chicken jerky? Or soy or egg powder? Once you get the information you need to answer the question 'why', there are many other things you can do with the information. Like mathematically working out the upper limit of protein absorption, or even a general upper limit on how much protein per meal.

[edit] By 'absorbed', I mean transported to the blood via the digestive system. Not cellular absorption, and not utilization.

 

[juiceball44]

Well, let's see. Can you name a protein that's absorbed faster than whey? If not, I'll use whey as it's the fastest one I know of. Studies show it's absorbed at about 10 grams per hour. There are 24 hours in a day, and ten times twenty-four equals two hundred and forty. Mathematical word problems like that are encountered in about third or fourth grade.

The issue, however, is that most people never bother to ask *why*, they simply follow all the other sheep/lemmings/herd animal of your choice. Do you use whey protein? Why? Why whey, not egg, or casein, or beef, or chicken, or soy? If you say because it's faster, how is the speed measured? What speed is it? If you say it has a better amino profile, what is the profile, and why is one amino profile better than another? And better for what...and for whom? If it's transportability, why not beef or chicken jerky? Or soy or egg powder? Once you get the information you need to answer the question 'why', there are many other things you can do with the information. Like mathematically working out the upper limit of protein absorption, or even a general upper limit on how much protein per meal.

[edit] By 'absorbed', I mean transported to the blood via the digestive system. Not cellular absorption, and not utilization.

Very impressive, now I do not have the scientific knowledge you have but I have my real world results, the only thing these mega dosing protein diets did for me was leave my wallet empty.... and my toilet bowl full