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Heavy, what's your take on running Tren and Deca on a bulk as it relates to prolactin? In what dose ranges if at all.
I think Tren, Deca and Test are an amazing combo for bulking. I would use a strong AI daily with this combination.

Tren 225-350mg Weekly
Deca 400-500mg Weekly for bulking (less if just for joint relief)
Testosterone 750-1,250mg Weekly

Aromasin 25mg daily (for gyno prone users 25mg every 12 hours)

Prolactin is very individualistic. I would get labs first before using prolactin lowering medications.

These are all general guidelines
 
J.C.
Is there hard evidence, or your own personal experience that directly link trenbolone to prolactin related side effects. There are conflicting opinions everywhere.
Thanks
No, the literature states the opposite in fact.

Res Vet Sci. 1981 Jan;30(1):7-13.

Growth hormone, insulin, prolactin and total thyroxine in the plasma of sheep implanted with the anabolic steroid trenbolone acetate alone or with oestradiol.

Donaldson IA, Hart IC, Heitzman RJ.
Abstract

The mode of action of the anabolic steroid trenbolone acetate (19-norandrost-4,9,11-trien-3-one-17-acetate) was studied through the endogenous hormonal response of castrated male sheep to subcutaneous implantation of 140 mg of trenbolone acetate and 20 mg of oestradiol both separately and in combination. Radioimmunoassay of delta-4,9,11-trienic steroids and oestradiol-17 beta in plasma confirmed that simultaneous administration of trenbolone acetate with oestradiol led to a significantly greater persistence of oestradiol-17 beta residues in plasma (P less than 0.05) than with implantation of oestradiol alone. Oestradiol treatment increased concentrations of growth hormone and insulin (P less than 0.05; P less than 0.001 respectively) in plasma samples collected weekly. Trenbolone acetate by itself had no significant effect and the oestrogenic response was blocked on the simultaneous implantation of trenbolone acetate and oestradiol (despite higher plasma levels of oestradiol-17 beta with this treatment). Plasma total thyroxine was markedly depressed to 45 per cent of its basal level by trenbolone acetate, alone or with oestradiol (P less than 0.001) and depressed to 80 per cent of basal by oestradiol treatment alone (P less than 0.001). Plasma prolactin was unaltered by the above treatments.

PMID:7017853 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
My question was more in general but hell if we wanna talk about me I'm game
Currently test E run with aromasin 12.5 eod
Developed sensitive puffy nips increased aromaskn to 12.5. Twice a day and offered letro
Tapered up letro to the 2.5mg dose
Now running letro no change in sensitivity

I have no lump just puffy and sensitive
Taking fish oil lots of it to try to keep my joints lubed up
AI's reduce E2 in males about 40-60% on average. If you are still experiencing high E2 related side effects I would use Nolvadex at 10-20mg every 12 hours as it will occupy the receptor sites in breast tissue.
 
This is a re-post. I do not know if you just overlooked it or did not respond for a specific reason, so here is the question:
Heavy/John I just have a quick question I heard someone was running test cyp 300mg tren hex 400 and EQ 400 per wk. Do you think it makes much of a difference if they use say EQ (vs) Mast? If so why and how. Also I know that guy have very little sides because the test dose was much lower but still is having great results up to about wk 8-9. Now he upped the test a bit, and added proviron.
Thank you Heavy/John
 
I'm in my mid forties. I was prescribed TRT just over five years ago. I will never go off.

My current cruise looks like this;

220mg US Test Cyp and 40mg Prop every Friday AM
20-40mg Cialis every Friday AM
500iu HCG Mon and Thur
1mg Arimidex Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat
5iu HGH every day except Sunday

My cruise is designed to elicit a strong sex drive, especially on the weekend.


Your an animal bro, and full of knowledge.. I just joined his forum about a year ago and with you and al the other vets here that actually help and not bust your balls is exactly why i have remained here... I wont read from any other sites! thanks for the knowledge and opinions you have posted and the research you have done over the years to make this a good place to learn.. thanks Heavy!
 
This is a re-post. I do not know if you just overlooked it or did not respond for a specific reason, so here is the question:
Heavy/John I just have a quick question I heard someone was running test cyp 300mg tren hex 400 and EQ 400 per wk. Do you think it makes much of a difference if they use say EQ (vs) Mast? If so why and how. Also I know that guy have very little sides because the test dose was much lower but still is having great results up to about wk 8-9. Now he upped the test a bit, and added proviron.
Thank you Heavy/John
Sorry for skipping your question.

Not sure that it will make much difference but I personally like Masteron a bit better. Both will work just fine though brother.
 
Heavy,

What in your expert opinion is a good starting body fat percentage for someone wanting to do a first cycle of AAS, say to bulk? I've read and seen so many times that 10-12% is best, but is that based in some form of science or just brologic?

Is it best to start at a lower percentage so to limit estrogen increase in the body?

And lastly, if someone were to start a cut at say, 20%, what compounds would you recommend if any at all other then diet and cardio?

Thank you Sir!


I know I am not heavy so if this out of place it can be deleted.

It comes from assumptions based on two bodies of research.*

One side states that *deceased insulin sensitivity is correlated [I have not seen a studies that says causes.] to higher levels of *body fat . Persons with greater body fat have greater *lipotoxicity ( elevated levels of DAGs, TAGs, Ceramides). *They prevent phosphorylation of specific enzymes resulting *in decreases in the insulin/glut transporter cascade. *

The other side notes that with deceased insulin sensitivity nutrient partitioning changes. *The body is more likely to convert excess glucose to FFA for storage. *Along with that, protein is no longer utilized as efficiently because it can not be as easily transported into the muscle tissue (due to dysfunctional insulin/ glut transporter cascade). **

Combine both sectors of research and assumptions are made. *Its logical and the theoretical evidence is strong.

So the number is more of a sliding scale and there to help people not add excess fat while adding muscle; The number is arbitrary but I would use a higher number such as 15% as the cut off based off of the research that I have read in the aforementioned topics.*

This all goes out the window if body comp is not the reason you are using.*

There is one other factor that plays a role and that is that research shows higher adiposity leads to higher estrogen levels. This means more side and less gains. That's a pretty shitty situation to be in.*
 
Heavy, what are your thoughts on EQ and deca in the same cycle? also what do you think of sustanson ? i wanted to run test eq deca like this

Test E week 1-8 750 week
Sustanson week 9-16 1 gram week
EQ Week 1-15 600 week
deca 400 week 1-13
 
heavy iron i have a question?tren a is it liver toxic? and if so will 300mg a week, meaning 75mg pind eod for 8 weeks be to hard on the liver?
There is some evidence that Trenbolone can cause some strain on the liver but I have never seen any data showing that injectable Tren causes liver damage. Your dose and duration are reasonable. If you are worried about it I would get blood tests to see for yourself.
 
Heavy, what are your thoughts on EQ and deca in the same cycle? also what do you think of sustanson ? i wanted to run test eq deca like this

Test E week 1-8 750 week
Sustanson week 9-16 1 gram week
EQ Week 1-15 600 week
deca 400 week 1-13
I see no problem at all running EQ and Deca together.

I like high dosed Sust cycles. Your proposed cycle looks good. You should do very well with that brother.
 
thanks heavy for taking the time to answer my question regarding tren a and liver damage someone told me that its so toxic it could cause liver failure, so ill proceed with caution 75mg eod 4 weeks with liver support
thank you
nick
 
Hi John, great thread thanks for that.
What do you think about GW-501516?
I have tried to find hard data on it, but I mostly just see anecdotal. Do you have any thoughts/experience with it?
 
Heavy/John......how about 'older guys' 50 to 70 yrs old, using hgh or insulin.....?

.......as always thanks for your help........charley
 
Hey heavy, I'm planing to do this kind of cycle;
1st part - goal is to build as much LBM as possible/recomp
2nd part - goal is to get shredded/recomp


1-3 Test P 100mg EOD
1-5 Dbol 50mg
1-8 Test E 750mg EW
1-6 Tren E 300mg EW (600mg week 1)
7-8 Tren E 400mg EW
2-5 Insulin
2-5 ECA 20/200/100 2xD

9-16 Test E 500mg EW
6-11 T3 50mcg
6-7 Clen 100mcg
10-11 Clen 100mcg


1. Insulin protocol will be preworkout, dont' need help on that.
2. Do you recommend carb cycling in part 1, but not going below 200g as the goal is to recomp?
3. For the second part I plan to use keto diet weeks 7-10. That will shred me with the help from T3 and Clen, and Test is there to assure no muscle loss.
After keto I'll do carb rotation with high protein, low fat.
5. Is lowering Test to 500mg cool as I'll be cutting so theres no point to pin much Test?
4. T3 dose looks good?
5. AI will be Letro 0.3mg on Mon and Thu (this works for me)
6. Anything else that needs to be adjusted? (gear, diet...)

I'm not prone to gyno from estrogen nor progesteron/hairloss/acne etc.


Thanks!
 
Hi John, great thread thanks for that.
What do you think about GW-501516?
I have tried to find hard data on it, but I mostly just see anecdotal. Do you have any thoughts/experience with it?
We have several animal studies showing its effectiveness and I have read one human study. Very interesting stuff for sure. Seems suited for increasing endurance, muscle mass, reducing body fat by stimulating fatty acid oxidation and it also is shown to decrease bad cholesterol.

Diabetes. 2008 Feb;57(2):332-9. Epub 2007 Nov 16.
Activation of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor (PPAR)delta promotes reversal of multiple metabolic abnormalities, reduces oxidative stress, and increases fatty acid oxidation in moderately obese men.

Risérus U, Sprecher D, Johnson T, Olson E, Hirschberg S, Liu A, Fang Z, Hegde P, Richards D, Sarov-Blat L, Strum JC, Basu S, Cheeseman J, Fielding BA, Humphreys SM, Danoff T, Moore NR, Murgatroyd P, O'Rahilly S, Sutton P, Willson T, Hassall D, Frayn KN, Karpe F.
Source

Churchill Hospital, Oxford OX3 7LJ, UK.

Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

Pharmacological use of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor (PPAR)delta agonists and transgenic overexpression of PPARdelta in mice suggest amelioration of features of the metabolic syndrome through enhanced fat oxidation in skeletal muscle. We hypothesize a similar mechanism operates in humans.
RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS:

The PPARdelta agonist (10 mg o.d. GW501516), a comparator PPARalpha agonist (20 mug o.d. GW590735), and placebo were given in a double-blind, randomized, three-parallel group, 2-week study to six healthy moderately overweight subjects in each group. Metabolic evaluation was made before and after treatment including liver fat quantification, fasting blood samples, a 6-h meal tolerance test with stable isotope fatty acids, skeletal muscle biopsy for gene expression, and urinary isoprostanes for global oxidative stress.
RESULTS:

Treatment with GW501516 showed statistically significant reductions in fasting plasma triglycerides (-30%), apolipoprotein B (-26%), LDL cholesterol (-23%), and insulin (-11%), whereas HDL cholesterol was unchanged. A 20% reduction in liver fat content (P < 0.05) and 30% reduction in urinary isoprostanes (P = 0.01) were also observed. Except for a lowering of triglycerides (-30%, P < 0.05), none of these changes were observed in response to GW590735. The relative proportion of exhaled CO(2) directly originating from the fat content of the meal was increased (P < 0.05) in response to GW501516, and skeletal muscle expression of carnitine palmitoyl-transferase 1b (CPT1b) was also significantly increased.
CONCLUSIONS:

The PPARdelta agonist GW501516 reverses multiple abnormalities associated with the metabolic syndrome without increasing oxidative stress. The effect is probably caused by increased fat oxidation in skeletal muscle.

PMID:18024853 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
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Heavy/John......how about 'older guys' 50 to 70 yrs old, using hgh or insulin.....?

.......as always thanks for your help........charley

Insulin is fine for advanced bodybuilders but I rarely recommend its use due to the risks associated with the profound lowering of blood glucose levels. Insulin improperly used can cause coma and even death.

HGH is a great compliment to Testosterone replacement therapy. HGH is absolutely proven to cause a synergistic effect towards fat oxidation and increasing LBM.

N Engl J Med. 1990 Jul 5;323(1):1-6.

Effects of human growth hormone in men over 60 years old.

Rudman D, Feller AG, Nagraj HS, Gergans GA, Lalitha PY, Goldberg AF, Schlenker RA, Cohn L, Rudman IW, Mattson DE.
Source
Department of Medicine, Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee.

Abstract

BACKGROUND:
The declining activity of the growth hormone--insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) axis with advancing age may contribute to the decrease in lean body mass and the increase in mass of adipose tissue that occur with aging.

METHODS:

To test this hypothesis, we studied 21 healthy men from 61 to 81 years old who had plasma IGF-I concentrations of less than 350 U per liter during a six-month base-line period and a six-month treatment period that followed. During the treatment period, 12 men (group 1) received approximately 0.03 mg of biosynthetic human growth hormone per kilogram of body weight subcutaneously three times a week, and 9 men (group 2) received no treatment. Plasma IGF-I levels were measured monthly. At the end of each period we measured lean body mass, the mass of adipose tissue, skin thickness (epidermis plus dermis), and bone density at nine skeletal sites.

RESULTS:

In group 1, the mean plasma IGF-I level rose into the youthful range of 500 to 1500 U per liter during treatment, whereas in group 2 it remained below 350 U per liter. The administration of human growth hormone for six months in group 1 was accompanied by an 8.8 percent increase in lean body mass, a 14.4 percent decrease in adipose-tissue mass, and a 1.6 percent increase in average lumbar vertebral bone density (P less than 0.05 in each instance). Skin thickness increased 7.1 percent (P = 0.07). There was no significant change in the bone density of the radius or proximal femur. In group 2 there was no significant change in lean body mass, the mass of adipose tissue, skin thickness, or bone density during treatment.

CONCLUSIONS:

Diminished secretion of growth hormone is responsible in part for the decrease of lean body mass, the expansion of adipose-tissue mass, and the thinning of the skin that occur in old age.




J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2006 Feb;91(2):477-84. Epub 2005 Dec 6.
The effects of growth hormone and/or testosterone in healthy elderly men: a randomized controlled trial.

Giannoulis MG, Sonksen PH, Umpleby M, Breen L, Pentecost C, Whyte M, McMillan CV, Bradley C, Martin FC.

Source

Department of Diabetes and Endocrinology, GKT School of Medicine, King's College London, St. Thomas' Hospital, London SE1 7EH, UK.

Abstract

CONTEXT:
Declines in GH and testosterone (Te) secretion may contribute to the detrimental aging changes of elderly men.

OBJECTIVE:

To assess the effects of near-physiological GH with/without Te administration on lean body mass, total body fat, midthigh muscle cross-section area, muscle strength, aerobic capacity, condition-specific quality of life (Age-Related Hormone Deficiency-Dependent Quality of Life questionnaire), and generic health status (36-Item Short-Form Health Survey) of older men. DESIGN, SETTINGS, AND PARTICIPANTS: A 6-month, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was performed on 80 healthy, community-dwelling, older men (age, 65-80 yr).

INTERVENTIONS:

Participants were randomized to receive 1) placebo GH or placebo Te, 2) recombinant human GH (rhGH) and placebo Te (GH), 3) Te and placebo rhGH (Te), or 4) rhGH and Te (GHTe). GH doses were titrated over 8 wk to produce IGF-I levels in the upper half of the age-specific reference range. A fixed dose of Te (5 mg) was given by transdermal patches.

RESULTS:

Lean body mass increased with GHTe (P = 0.008) and GH (P = 0.004), compared with placebo. Total body fat decreased with GHTe only (P = 0.02). Midthigh muscle (P = 0.006) and aerobic capacity (P < 0.001) increased only after GHTe. Muscle strength changes were variable; one of six measures significantly increased with GHTe. Significant treatment group by time interactions indicated an improved Age-Related Hormone Deficiency-Dependent Quality of Life questionnaire score (P = 0.007) in the GH and GHTe groups. Bodily pain increased with GH alone, as determined by the Short-Form Health Survey (P = 0.003). There were no major adverse effects.

CONCLUSION:

Coadministration of low dose GH with Te resulted in beneficial changes being observed more often than with either GH or Te alone.

Comment in



PMID:16332938 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
Heavy/John......how about 'older guys' 50 to 70 yrs old, using hgh or insulin.....?

.......as always thanks for your help........charley
Here's a quick GH article I threw together late last year if you want a sexier answer. =)


Growth hormone (GH)

Human growth hormone (GH) is a protein made in the pituitary gland. GH is not only responsible for growth. It also plays an important role throughout an adult???s life by helping to regulate metabolism???the body???s ability to turn food into energy. Many bodybuilders use GH once they have hit a wall in their development with steroid use alone.

GH the next level?


GH is the next level for more experienced users of anabolics. If you want to take your body to the next level, GH may be the next step. GH has clearly been shown to increase muscle mass and to enhance fat loss while improving recovery and even helping with injury repair, especially cartilage. It???s almost as if GH restores ones youth. This is exactly what the anti-aging industry believes GH does. In their writings it???s common to see them promote GH as the fountain of youth.

The fountain of youth for the aging


The following claims are made about GH and have been consistently reported by users for anti-aging purposes.

??? Lowers down fat stores and brings up lean muscle mass
??? Invigorates skin tone and suppleness
??? Augments bone density to avoid osteoporosis
??? Boosts brain power and increases memory retention
??? Heightens the drive and interest to have sex
??? Enhances the well-being and health of the whole body, both physically and mentally
??? Assists in having a restful sleep
??? Perks up the mind and removes fatigue and depression

Practical Application

Obviously the anti-aging claims of GH are desirable but what about the gym rat or high level competitor who wants to utilize this growth promoting hormone? For anti-aging purposes, doses as low as 2iu daily will work but if losing body fat and packing on muscle are your goals then the lower GH doses are just not enough.

It is my opinion that maximal fat burning GH doses start somewhere around 4-6iu daily in men. For maximal fat burning AND adding maximal muscle mass that range appears to be around 8-12iu GH daily. I recommend at least 5 months of GH administration. GH is a long term commitment and there is a lesser benefit to using GH for shorter durations. This can be quite expensive so many users will skip days during the week. For example, the 5 on 2 off protocol is commonly used to get the desired effects but at the same time reduce cost. Basically the user administers a daily dose Mon-Fri and then dose not administer a dose on the weekends. Another popular protocol is only using GH every other day. The EOD method has some scientific support so it would be my first recommendation for GH users who want to reduce cost.

What are the possible side effects of Growth Hormone?


You may experience discomfort, soreness, or redness where Human Growth Hormone is injected.
Contact your doctor immediately if you experience:

  • Ongoing injection site discomfort
  • Curvature of the spine (scoliosis)
  • Joint pain
  • Puffy hands and/or feet (caused by fluid retention)
  • Changes in vision, a bad headache, or nausea with or without vomiting
  • Hip or knee pain
  • A need to limp when you walk
  • Pain in wrist (carpal tunnel)
  • Allergic reaction
Reconstituting GH

Most GH kits come in small 10iu vials in boxes or kits of 10 vials. Essentially 100iu total. The reason they come in smaller vials is so the peptide does not degrade. If you mix a vial and do not use it for a 2 weeks or so the peptide will likely be degraded therefore if you mix GH in smaller vials it can be used very quickly before degrading of the peptide occurs.

36757d1321117012-human-growth-hormone-practical-application-uncle-z-hgh.jpg

photo courtesy of Uncle Z

Wash hands and sterilize work area. Sterilize rubber stoppers on vials with alcohol. GH may be reconstituted at various strengths. Using less bacteriostatic water will provide a higher concentration of final product which will allow for smaller injection volume.

With a 10iu kit, inject 1 ml (cc) into the vial with the GH powder. Direct the stream of water down the side of the glass, being careful not to direct the stream of water directly into the GH powder; swirl gently until powder is completely dissolved in solution. DO NOT SHAKE VIAL. Refrigerate solution.

The above example will yield 10iu of GH per 1 ml (cc) 100 units.

½ ml (50 units on an insulin syringe) will yield 5iu GH.

¼ ml (25 units) will yield 2.5iu GH.

Parenteral drug products should be inspected visually for particulate matter and discoloration prior to administration. If the water is not clear, discard the product.

STABILITY AND STORAGE


Before Reconstitution ??? vials of TEV-TROPIN® are stable when refrigerated at 36° to 46°F (2° to 8°C). Expiration dates are stated on the labels.

After Reconstitution ??? vials of TEV-TROPIN® are stable for up to 14 days when reconstituted with bacteriostatic 0.9% sodium chloride (normal saline), USP, and stored in a refrigerator at 36° to 46°F (2° to 8°C). Do not freeze the reconstituted solution.

Stacking GH


Many users report a synergy when using GH and Steroids together. It is commonly reported that the fat burning effects and gains in LBM are much more profound with GH and Testosterone. Therefore in order to maximize the benefits of GH I would not use it alone and highly recommend stacking GH with AAS. Testosterone has been proven to reduce body fat and increase LBM in a dose dependent relationship up to 600mg weekly. Therefore I recommend that experienced male users administer at least 600mg of Testosterone weekly stacked with 5iu GH daily for a duration of 5 months. This stack will illicit significant increases in lean body mass and a significant reduction in body fat if nutrition, training and recovery are properly in place.

36906d1321718995-human-growth-hormone-practical-application-uncle-z-cyp-gh.jpg


~heavyiron
 
Thanks Heavy/John....great read.....its what I needed to see.Now I need to get some of that 'hgh' money together.

..........as always , thanks charley
 
Is it a problem to take beta blockers with test and gh im seeing alot of posts about high blood pressure and bb's and seeing some conflicting answers thanks alot
 
Heavy when do you think is the right time to use HG? meaning when in your life. is it after you've worn out all steroids and cant gain anymore? or is it whenever.
 
Hey heavy, I'm planing to do this kind of cycle;
1st part - goal is to build as much LBM as possible/recomp
2nd part - goal is to get shredded/recomp


1-3 Test P 100mg EOD
1-5 Dbol 50mg
1-8 Test E 750mg EW
1-6 Tren E 300mg EW (600mg week 1)
7-8 Tren E 400mg EW
2-5 Insulin
2-5 ECA 20/200/100 2xD

9-16 Test E 500mg EW
6-11 T3 50mcg
6-7 Clen 100mcg
10-11 Clen 100mcg


1. Insulin protocol will be preworkout, dont' need help on that.
2. Do you recommend carb cycling in part 1, but not going below 200g as the goal is to recomp?
3. For the second part I plan to use keto diet weeks 7-10. That will shred me with the help from T3 and Clen, and Test is there to assure no muscle loss.
After keto I'll do carb rotation with high protein, low fat.
5. Is lowering Test to 500mg cool as I'll be cutting so theres no point to pin much Test?
4. T3 dose looks good?
5. AI will be Letro 0.3mg on Mon and Thu (this works for me)
6. Anything else that needs to be adjusted? (gear, diet...)

I'm not prone to gyno from estrogen nor progesteron/hairloss/acne etc.


Thanks!

Please post your stats and cycle history brother.
 
Is it a problem to take beta blockers with test and gh im seeing alot of posts about high blood pressure and bb's and seeing some conflicting answers thanks alot
One side effect sometimes noted with testosterone administration is high blood pressure (possibly due to increased water retention). However this appears to be somewhat individualistic. That may be due to genetics, diet, age or fat mass. However some men with low Testosterone tend to have high BP and when the T levels are raised inside the normal range BP also normalizes.

I would focus heavily on proper nutrition, training and reducing fat mass to try and reduce BP naturally. You might try a low dose of Testosterone and see how that effects your BP.

Eur J Endocrinol. 2004 Jan;150(1):65-71.
Association of endogenous testosterone with blood pressure and left ventricular mass in men. The Tromsø Study.

Svartberg J, von Mühlen D, Schirmer H, Barrett-Connor E, Sundfjord J, Jorde R.
Source

Department of Medicine, University Hospital of North Norway, 9038 Tromsø, Norway. johan.svartberg@unn.no

Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

To test the hypothesis that lower endogenous testosterone levels are associated with higher blood pressure, left ventricular mass, and left ventricular hypertrophy.
DESIGN:

Population-based cross-sectional study.
METHODS:

Sex hormone levels, measured by immunoassay, anthropometric measurements and resting blood pressure were studied in 1548 men aged 25-84 Years; echocardiography was completed in 1264 of these men. Partial correlations and multiple regressions were used to estimate the associations between sex hormones, blood pressure and left ventricular mass by height. Analyses of variance and covariance were used to compare men with categorical hypertension and left ventricular hypertrophy.
RESULTS:

In age-adjusted partial correlations, total testosterone and sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) were each inversely associated with systolic blood pressure (SBP) (P<0.001). Men with categorical hypertension (SBP> or =140 or diastolic blood pressure (DBP)> or =90 mmHg) had lower levels of total and free testosterone and SHBG before (P<0.001, P=0.011 and P<0.001, respectively) and after (P<0.001, P=0.035 and P=0.002, respectively) adjusting for body mass index (BMI). Total testosterone and SHBG were each inversely associated with left ventricular mass (P<0.001), and men with left ventricular hypertrophy had significantly lower levels of total testosterone (P=0.042) and SHBG (P=0.006); these associations were no longer significant after adjusting for BMI.
CONCLUSION:

The results of the present study are consistent with the hypothesis that lower levels of testosterone in men are associated with higher blood pressure, left ventricular mass, and left ventricular hypertrophy. The reduced associations after adjusting for BMI suggest that the association of low testosterone levels with blood pressure and left ventricular mass is mediated by obesity.

PMID:14713281 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
Hey thanks alot for the answer and this will be my last question but what I was asking since my dr. put me on a beta blocker would that interfere with fat loss? muscle gains? thanks alot
 
Heavy when do you think is the right time to use HG? meaning when in your life. is it after you've worn out all steroids and cant gain anymore? or is it whenever.
Using these compounds is a decision each individual has to make on their own. You need to research the effects both good and bad because at the end of the day its your body and you will have to live with your decisions the rest of your life.

Many young men have naturally elevated hormone levels so the benefit of HGH may be less noticeable. Therefore I think a man in his mid thirties may benefit more than a man in his late teens from HGH.

HGH seems to work better for fat loss than actual muscle growth so that makes it a pretty expensive fat loss aid. I would advise using Testosterone before using HGH.
 
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