IF a young male wants to increase his performance or has certain goals (look good for the summer, gain lean muscle mass, lose body fat) he can easily acheive those goals by doing something called WORK - assuming his T levels are high (young men 17-27 have the highest T levels of their life) he just needs a good nutrition program, weight program, and cardio program (maybe leave out the cardio depending on metabolism) and can meet or exceed those goals with a little bit of sweat equity and time.
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Reason for being "natural"?
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I choose not to read the books you post. Sowwies
longworthb
Banned Member
Your ignorance amazes me ^^^^
i am not sure why this whole debate. Ok steroids are not healthy and can cause very bad side effects and/or long term damage but also they increase your muscle mass.
so i think there are very obvious points here:
1- steroids used for bodybuilding are unhealthy, period, there is no question about it, if you like steroids it does not make them safe so no need to debate about that.
using people who take steroids and are not harmed by them is not an excuse or a justification.
2- steroids like ANY OTHER medication are used for therpeutic reasons when the benefits outweigh the harm.
3- many people take steroids for the wrong reasons and they are free to do so. will this make them assholes surely NO they just CHOSE to do it and are willing to take the risks...... so be it.
4- many choose not to take them that is also ok.
As far as i am concerned i do not take steroids because i want to stay helathy and i am not a pro bodybuilder and i never want to be, i consider myself very knowlegeable about training, and i have trained many people and i have my own Gym (planning soon on having a much bigger gym). being a pro and looking in competition shape does not make you knowlegeable in bodybuilding in fact i think many olympians do not know how ton train on their own.
i did take steroids ( 2 very mild cycles of anavar ) and i had great results with it. but that was it i did it out of curiosity. will i do it again??? never. in fact i have learned that with proper diet and really proper training i can achieve very good results and at my age 52 i look like i am 32. many here are concerned about testosterone levels and all that. for me it is all a waste of time, just concentrate on your workout and forget all the chemistry and all the hormonal crap, right now i am all natural and perhaps with low test levels who knows, i am getting results as much as when i was 20, why? because i am a much smarter bodybuilder.
so i think there are very obvious points here:
1- steroids used for bodybuilding are unhealthy, period, there is no question about it, if you like steroids it does not make them safe so no need to debate about that.
using people who take steroids and are not harmed by them is not an excuse or a justification.
2- steroids like ANY OTHER medication are used for therpeutic reasons when the benefits outweigh the harm.
3- many people take steroids for the wrong reasons and they are free to do so. will this make them assholes surely NO they just CHOSE to do it and are willing to take the risks...... so be it.
4- many choose not to take them that is also ok.
As far as i am concerned i do not take steroids because i want to stay helathy and i am not a pro bodybuilder and i never want to be, i consider myself very knowlegeable about training, and i have trained many people and i have my own Gym (planning soon on having a much bigger gym). being a pro and looking in competition shape does not make you knowlegeable in bodybuilding in fact i think many olympians do not know how ton train on their own.
i did take steroids ( 2 very mild cycles of anavar ) and i had great results with it. but that was it i did it out of curiosity. will i do it again??? never. in fact i have learned that with proper diet and really proper training i can achieve very good results and at my age 52 i look like i am 32. many here are concerned about testosterone levels and all that. for me it is all a waste of time, just concentrate on your workout and forget all the chemistry and all the hormonal crap, right now i am all natural and perhaps with low test levels who knows, i am getting results as much as when i was 20, why? because i am a much smarter bodybuilder.
Why so serious all the time? Tren?
longworthb
Banned Member
That was last cycle
Ive been natural for 13 years. Honestly Ive just always known the health risks and watched dudes have issues and/or die from them growing up. Its a big commitment and not something that should be taken lightly or as a way to cheat gains. I was never ready for that commitment. Am now though ha.
69ingchipmunks
Registered
I like to big without an asterisk by name. Hard work can get people big if they are prepared mentally to be strong enOugh to continue in tougher times. Also looks good. Get to keep my balls and hair when I'm older. I keep my gains, if took a break form steroids when on them I'd lose most of my gains; when natural I don't have to worry about hormones
