Religiously Intolerant?

[Chubby]

I am surprised Mino didn't bring this up. I hope she doesn't have a selective vision.

In his inaugural address, President Barack Obama celebrated America as a "nation of Christian and Muslim, Jews and Hindus -and nonbelievers." Some Christians are taking issue with the approach to inclusiveness, saying the president misrepresented American culture and heritage.

What do you think? Please discuss.

Obama's Nonbeliever Nod Unsettles Some

 

[Splash Log]

Yes this approach into inclusiveness could possible be a misrepresentation of the numbered cultures and plentiful heritages of we Americans, having Christians taking issue seems some what not in the line

 

[Little Wing]

Melting pot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

maybe it's time for SOME Christians to finally pull that stick out of their ass.

 

[Little Wing]

The Pagan Christ by Tom Harpur

how DARE they not believe our myths

 

[bio-chem]

I love it. There is a Jewish state, a Hindu state, there are multiple Islamic states here on earth, but the second that Christians start claiming that the United States of America is a Christian state idiots start bitching about how we are not inclusive.

there is no way in hell i'm going to be made to feel bad for my beliefs, or choosing to vote the way I do because of them. Like it or not we are the greatest country in the world because of our Christian founding. The further we move away from our Christian principals the worst off this country is going to get

 

[Little Wing]

you do not have to be a christian to be good and moral person.

 

[DOMS]

I love it. There is a Jewish state, a Hindu state, there are multiple Islamic states here on earth, but the second that Christians start claiming that the United States of America is a Christian state idiots start bitching about how we are not inclusive.

there is no way in hell i'm going to be made to feel bad for my beliefs, or choosing to vote the way I do because of them. Like it or not we are the greatest country in the world because of our Christian founding. The further we move away from our Christian principals the worst off this country is going to get

Well said, bio-chem.

And to all those that object: A big FUCK YOU!!!

People like to shit on how bad the Christian US is, but take a look around the world folks. In the US, we have armed police protecting the rights of animals. In Hindu countries, they still kill infants if they're the female. In Muslim countries, they murder people if they're gay. In Buddhist countries, they take away all of your rights and kill you if you speak out against the government.

Pull your head out of your asses.

 

[bio-chem]

you do not have to be a christian to be good and moral person.

I agree, and I never said you did. Though I'm sure if you and I were to define moral we would come up with different answers

 

[Little Wing]

Well said, bio-chem.

And to all those that object: A big FUCK YOU!!!

People like to shit on how bad the Christian US is, but take a look around the world folks. In the US, we have armed police protecting the rights of animals. In Hindu countries, they still kill infants if they're the female. In Muslim countries, they murder people if they're gay. In Buddhist countries, they take away all of your rights and kill you if you speak out against the government.

Pull your head out of your asses.

um, i love the U.S. but here,

we NEED police with guns to protect animals from abuses our people inflict on them.

here, parents murder and fuck their children every day
The United States Has the Highest Rates of Child Abuse

here, people do get murdered for being gay...

look how many people flood our prisons...

do we really want the rest of the world to think gee that's how a bunch of Christians act? it's pretty obvious this country is not solely made up of good honest Christians.

how can the church and state be legally required to be separated then our president say we are a christian country? we aren't, we are a mixed bag of nuts.

 

[Little Wing]

I agree, and I never said you did. Though I'm sure if you and I were to define moral we would come up with different answers

what makes you so sure? define moral.

 

[bio-chem]

what makes you so sure? define moral.

morality means a code of conduct which is held to be authoritative in matters of right and wrong.

 

[pyromaniac327]

Since this is turning into a debate about religion and its morals....

Take this!

The Federal Bureau of Prisons does have statistics on religious affiliations of inmates. The following are total number of inmates per religion category: Response, Number, and %----------------------- --------
Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Moorish 1066 1.426%
Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%
Hindu 119 0.159%
Santeria 117 0.157%
Sikh 14 0.019%
Bahai 9 0.012%
Krishna 7 0.009%

Now, let's just deal with the nasty types, no?

Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Judeo-Christian Total 62594 83.761% (of the 74731 total responses) Total Known Responses 74731

Not unexpected as a result. Note that atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less in the prison populations (0.21%).

 

[Little Wing]

morality means a code of conduct which is held to be authoritative in matters of right and wrong.

like it's ok to laugh at a woman willing to die to defend innocent people from having their homes destroyed if defiance of the geneva conventions? that jesus dude was a dumbass too. all he had to do was shut his pie hole n he'd have avoided being crucified. some of the shit people believe... like adhering to a code of conduct during wartime and being the son of god. some people huh?

 

[mcguin]

recent findings which can be watched on a more recent history channel documentary show an ample amount of proof that the founding fathers and some of the most influential and important people of our history belonged to an underground group called the freemasons...read about it...and then tell me that this country was designed to be a christian state, it just so happens that christianity reached the west before other religions did.

 

[Little Wing]

morality means a code of conduct which is held to be authoritative in matters of right and wrong.

mine = there is right and there is wrong, the difference is glaringly obvious and there is no wiggle room.

 

[DOMS]

um, i love the U.S. but here,

we NEED police with guns to protect animals from abuses our people inflict on them.

I'm really not in the mood for dumb shit like this today.

Everywhere around the planet, animals are mistreated. Every-fucking-where. We're one of the few countries that care about it, and even one of the fewer countries that commits an entire armed task force to it.

here, parents murder and fuck their children every day
The United States Has the Highest Rates of Child Abuse

At a much lower rate than most of the world. And we crack down on it like a motherfucker. Children are being sold in the Middle East and raped at an unbelievable rate in Africa, but the US the pinnacle of that shit?!

here, people do get murdered for being gay...

Not by the state, dumbass.

look how many people flood our prisons...

I fucking love dumb shit like this. "Oh, the US has more people in jail than China!" That's because we don't fucking kill them!

Fuck it, I'm done.

 

[Chubby]

Christians are not necessarily better than other religions. And I certainly don't want to call it my religion or culture.
http://news aol.com/article/disgraced-pastor-ted-haggard-faces-more/316660

 

[KelJu]

I love it. There is a Jewish state, a Hindu state, there are multiple Islamic states here on earth, but the second that Christians start claiming that the United States of America is a Christian state idiots start bitching about how we are not inclusive.

there is no way in hell i'm going to be made to feel bad for my beliefs, or choosing to vote the way I do because of them. Like it or not we are the greatest country in the world because of our Christian founding. The further we move away from our Christian principals the worst off this country is going to get

We are not a Christian state. But, you are right about other countries claiming to be the Jewish state, Hindu state, and multiple Islamic states. And just look how fucked up those places are. You know? Those places are fucked up beyond all recognition because of their religious systems run amok.

 

[Little Wing]

That's because we don't fucking kill them!

Fuck it, I'm done.

just to pick one point. we should kill most of them. this country has some issues it's far from perfect. and to ignore the imperfections and hold our heads up like they don't exist poses us as something we are not and allows cancer to grow.

it's just my opinion but i think targeting civilians in any war is wrong. i have no reason to think members of the Israeli army who are saying that is what is being done are lying.

 

[Little Wing]

I'm really not in the mood for dumb shit like this today.

Everywhere around the planet, animals are mistreated. Every-fucking-where. We're one of the few countries that care about it, and even one of the fewer countries that commits an entire armed task force to it.



At a much lower rate than most of the world. And we crack down on it like a motherfucker. Children are being sold in the Middle East and raped at an unbelievable rate in Africa, but the US the pinnacle of that shit?!



Not by the state, dumbass.



I fucking love dumb shit like this. "Oh, the US has more people in jail than China!" That's because we don't fucking kill them!

Fuck it, I'm done.

the point of what i said was if this truly were a country made up entirely of good moral Christians why would we be a country with these issues?

i said"do we really want the rest of the world to think gee that's how a bunch of Christians act? it's pretty obvious this country is not solely made up of good honest Christians."

 

[The Monkey Man]

Yes this approach into inclusiveness could possible be a misrepresentation of the numbered cultures and plentiful heritages of we Americans, having Christians taking issue seems some what not in the line

OR...

Obama is again covering his ass for the failures or inadequacy his
administration will suffer...

"Change" -

 

[bio-chem]

like it's ok to laugh at a woman willing to die to defend innocent people from having their homes destroyed if defiance of the geneva conventions? that jesus dude was a dumbass too. all he had to do was shut his pie hole n he'd have avoided being crucified. some of the shit people believe... like adhering to a code of conduct during wartime and being the son of god. some people huh?

you really need to read the scope of the geneva convention. What you are saying is not covered by the geneva convention.

and yea, Jesus could have shut his mouth, and lived. But then we would have died. The sacrifice of Jesus saved the human race.

The suicide of this woman was ineffectual. Do you really want to compare the two?

 

[bio-chem]

do we really want the rest of the world to think gee that's how a bunch of Christians act? it's pretty obvious this country is not solely made up of good honest Christians.

how can the church and state be legally required to be separated then our president say we are a christian country? we aren't, we are a mixed bag of nuts.

you're right this country is not made up solely of good honest Christians. Which is sad really.

The president saying we are a Christian nation in no way even remotely begins to violate the separation of church and state. to suggest otherwise shows a severe lack of understanding to the entire issue of separation of these two organizations

 

[bio-chem]

mine = there is right and there is wrong, the difference is glaringly obvious and there is no wiggle room.

based upon what? there are plenty of things that I can argue are not moral, yet I'm sure you would disagree with. What are we to define as right and wrong? This is an age old argument of how a citizenship chooses to define right and wrong. I would argue that right and wrong, good and bad are eternal and are chosen by God. I doubt you would agree.

 

[bio-chem]

I'm really not in the mood for dumb shit like this today.

Everywhere around the planet, animals are mistreated. Every-fucking-where. We're one of the few countries that care about it, and even one of the fewer countries that commits an entire armed task force to it.



At a much lower rate than most of the world. And we crack down on it like a motherfucker. Children are being sold in the Middle East and raped at an unbelievable rate in Africa, but the US the pinnacle of that shit?!



Not by the state, dumbass.



I fucking love dumb shit like this. "Oh, the US has more people in jail than China!" That's because we don't fucking kill them!

Fuck it, I'm done.

Once again DOMS it is nice to see your personal touch with sound reason and logic

 

[bio-chem]

just to pick one point. we should kill most of them. this country has some issues it's far from perfect. and to ignore the imperfections and hold our heads up like they don't exist poses us as something we are not and allows cancer to grow.

it's just my opinion but i think targeting civilians in any war is wrong. i have no reason to think members of the Israeli army who are saying that is what is being done are lying.

No one is saying the US is perfect, or Israel for that matter. We are just better than what we are being compared to

 

[Little Wing]

you really need to read the scope of the geneva convention. What you are saying is not covered by the geneva convention.

Switzerland accused Israel of war crimes, saying its recent resumption of the destruction of Palestinian homes is a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

According to the Swiss Foreign Ministry, Israel has illegally demolished homes near Jerusalem and Ramallah in recent days. Switzerland has demanded that Israel immediately stop the demolitions.

Israel claims the demolitions are removals of unauthorized shacks. A spokesperson for the Israeli Embassy in Bern, Switzerland, told the Associated Press (AP) that removing the homes was "not an arbitrary decision," but one permitted by an Israeli court.

"This demolition of houses was done under a court order," embassy spokeswoman Shlomit Sufa told the AP on Thursday.

But Swiss Foreign Ministry spokesman Lars Knuchel said the demolitions violated the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which outline an occupying force's rights and responsibilities during wartime.

The Foreign Ministry claimed Israel's house-demolition policy violates the Fourth Convention, which prohibits occupying powers from damaging property belonging to the occupied population.

Since 2000, Israel has destroyed over 600 homes in occupied East Jerusalem - and nearly 2000 in the West Bank - according to a formal protest lodged with the Israeli Foreign Ministry.

Switzerland said that, as a neutral country, it "regards the recent incidents as violations of international humanitarian law."
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you're mistaken.

Israel has a very funny way of defining shack.

 

[Little Wing]

you're right this country is not made up solely of good honest Christians. Which is sad really.

The president saying we are a Christian nation in no way even remotely begins to violate the separation of church and state. to suggest otherwise shows a severe lack of understanding to the entire issue of separation of these two organizations

it's the same thing as saying this is a pagan country because some of us are. it's false.

 

[bio-chem]

Switzerland accused Israel of war crimes, saying its recent resumption of the destruction of Palestinian homes is a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

According to the Swiss Foreign Ministry, Israel has illegally demolished homes near Jerusalem and Ramallah in recent days. Switzerland has demanded that Israel immediately stop the demolitions.

Israel claims the demolitions are removals of unauthorized shacks. A spokesperson for the Israeli Embassy in Bern, Switzerland, told the Associated Press (AP) that removing the homes was "not an arbitrary decision," but one permitted by an Israeli court.

"This demolition of houses was done under a court order," embassy spokeswoman Shlomit Sufa told the AP on Thursday.

But Swiss Foreign Ministry spokesman Lars Knuchel said the demolitions violated the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which outline an occupying force's rights and responsibilities during wartime.

The Foreign Ministry claimed Israel's house-demolition policy violates the Fourth Convention, which prohibits occupying powers from damaging property belonging to the occupied population.

Since 2000, Israel has destroyed over 600 homes in occupied East Jerusalem - and nearly 2000 in the West Bank - according to a formal protest lodged with the Israeli Foreign Ministry.

Switzerland said that, as a neutral country, it "regards the recent incidents as violations of international humanitarian law."
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you're mistaken.

Israel has a very funny way of defining shack.

Swiss foreign ministries spokesman? yea, this is a long way from being a breach of the geneva convention.

 

[Little Wing]

Swiss foreign ministries spokesman? yea, this is a long way from being a breach of the geneva convention.

like i said, the line between right and wrong is obvious. some people just let a thing called politics blur their perception of it. there are so many ways to justify evil if you want to.