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What is the "we", the "us", and the "here" you post of?
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Actually, the Christians weren't here first. But they killed everybody else, so they get the prize of oldest thriving religion in America.
Congratulations!
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Actually, that award goes to other native Americans. They killed each other off. The oldest religion in the Americas was located in what is now southwest US and Mexico. I forget the name, but they were killed off by other Indians and drought.
But, all in all, nice job pulling that bit out of your ass.
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Thanks! It was probably one of my better ones today.
But seriously, you can't deny that the Spanish and the English wiped out damn near every major culture from South America, to New England and they were both Christian.
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Thanks! It was probably one of my better ones today.
But seriously, you can't deny that the Spanish and the English wiped out damn near every major culture from South America, to New England and they were both Christian.
Of course I won't deny that. But to think that the leaders of either of those countries back then were typical, or even actual, Christians doesn't wash.
I'm not saying that Christians are perfect, I'm just saying they founded this nation.
On a barley related note, it was only the Atlantic and Pacific oceans that allowed the cultures in the Americas to last as long as they did. Unlike the rest of the world (except sub-Saharan Africa), they weren't making much advancement in technology or society. If they were in Europe, the Middle East or Asia, they'd have been wiped out long ago.
Thanks! It was probably one of my better ones today.
But seriously, you can't deny that the Spanish and the English wiped out damn near every major culture from South America, to New England and they were both Christian.
Guys, no one here has ever denied that bad things have happened in the name of God. That every religion has skeletons in the closet, or out of it. This shows only that man is not perfect. It in no way disproves God.
Why is it so easy to overlook or not recognize the good that is done by the followers of God?
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Wow Danny, you made a whole sentence. Your mother will be proud.
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Can you prove that Santa really exists?
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First off, I have no faith in Santa.
Secondly, if he really existed, he'd give me your head for Christmas.
I wish he was real.
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Hey I'm not holding it against anybody. I'm just saying that if you pull the"we were here first" card, I'll pull the "because you killed everybody else" card. that's more than fair.
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Kids believe in Santa as much as grown ups believe in god. In the US, kids even write letters to Santa. Does that mean that Santa really exists?
Please don't get mad. I am just trying to debate.
Please don't get mad. I am just trying to debate.
What about all the good done by everyone else?
And where exactly are you following God to? the promised land? heaven?
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But clearly the founders of the United States were the actual, typical christians. So you can pick and choose who the actual christians are... talk about revisionist history.
"christians" did found this nation; however, our nation is not founded on christianity.
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No dumbass.
History, the non-revisionist shit that you ascribe to, has show that Europeans leaders only played lip service to the faith. The Founding Fathers showed in many ways that they lived the faith.
How jesus-Like Of You.
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Sure, because you won't find any Christian principles anywhere in any of the charter documents.
Sure, because you won't find any Christian principles anywhere in any of the charter documents.
One mention of a non-specific god in the Declaration of Independence is not convincing me, buddy.
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Who said I that I'm an active member of any church?
My point is that Christian principles were used to create the foundation of this country, even if people like you want to say, or revise, otherwise.
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Do I look like your teacher?
See, here you are trying to prove your side of the argument. A part of which requires me to spoon feed you.
I am sick to death of people that won't do their own research and still believe that they know anything of substance.
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I don't think he was here first. His name is Ravi. He is from India. I am just so surprised to see him teaching white people about their history.
You are affirmatively arguing that this nation was founded on christianity. So maybe you should prove such a bold claim.
Why else would you ruthlessly, and some would say ignorantly, defend christianity in about every post that you have made throughout your time as a registered member of ironmagazineforums.com?
And what does being a member of a church have to do with it? Here, I'll come right out and ask: are you a christian? If so, you are doing a real shit job about adhering to the teachings of jesus that you are so adamently defending.
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He is a 'Cafeteria Christian.' He 'cherry picks' the teaching. He only believes in "going to heaven" part of the teaching and ignores everything else.
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Yes, I do a very shit job of it. I should point out that I'm not defending Jesus, I'm defending the followers.
I generally very nice, but I've become very, very displeased with two aspects that I see in too many people and I've about reached my limit.
You might be familiar with them:
1. Having to defend everything I am. I'm white, so I should feel some sort of crap guilt and not be proud. I'm male, so I should feel guilty and not be proud. Although I struggle at it, I identify as Christian, so I should feel guilty and not be proud. I'm on my up through the fiscal strata and should feel guilty for working to be wealthy. But if you're black, female, Muslim, and poor, you should feel proud? Fuck that, I'm going on the offensive. I do not sit idly by when someone attacks some aspect of me. Neither on the Internet or in person. Those days are fucking gone.
2. People that think they know anything about shit because they heard about it on the interweb, the news told them it's the truth, or some talking head spoon feeds them their views. The same people that get tension headaches from reading books. I tend to still let this go unless it's something egregiously stupid (this covers your revistionist history) or violates point one.
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And yet again, here you are talking out of your ass.
You have no idea how often I help people without recompense or even letting them know that I helped. You have no idea how often I've given of my possessions, even when they were meager. You have no idea how often I put another's needs in front of my own.
You are a shining example of the points in my previous post.
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you may want to see a therapist, because I have no clue what you're talking about.Claiming something is "revisionist history" is highly ignorant of you. If you have ever studied history, you know that history is constantly being challenged. It is an ever-evolving academic field. Just because new information about the founding of the United States has come to light since you were in high school (I am assuming this is your highest level of education from your posts), does not mean that it is “revisionist.”
The point is this: historical theories change as new information comes to light. So do some research, and do not brush everything off as being “revisionist.” The Constitution is what our country is founded on, not the Declaration of Independence. Even if it was the other way around, the Declaration of Independence references maybe twice a god or creator. When it does, it says “their Creator,” not “the Creator.” You are going to have to do better than that.
Furthermore, you argue that since the founders were christian, this must mean our nation was founded on christianity. Assuming they were even the “actual, typical” christians that you talk about (which is highly debatable and most likely not the case)… why does this matter? The founders being christian does not equate to our nation being founded on christianity.
If you have actually read the Constitution, which you probably haven not, you will realize that the founders did not include “god,” “jesus,” “creator,” etc in there. This was not a mistake. Go read the First Amendment.
And these christian principles that you claim this country is founded on… what are they? Can you even articulate them, or is this just a Conservative catchphrase to use while bitching about Blacks, Muslims, Jews, the homeless, how you pay too much taxes, abortion, etc… that “these were not what our country was founded on.”
And even if our country was founded on christianity…. What difference does that make? How does that idea make us more moral, when you yourself, a purported christian, are about the biggest asshole ever? You are proof that identifying as a christian in no way makes you moral. From the example you give us, it is more likely a bad thing.
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