Saw Palmetto w/ Deca?

[Pirate!]

I know that using finasteride while on deca isn't good because of the 5-AR, but should I avoid using Saw Palmetto on deca, too?

 

[19-chief]

are you worried about enlargement from the deca? or are you gonna take it for the test base? you're stacking test and npp, right?

"Nandrolone is more commonly known as the base steroid 19Nor-testosterone. As this structure would indicate its like testosterone in appearance but for one small change : the absence of a carbon atom in the 19th position. This gives it a number of very distinct features. First of all it makes nandrolone a notably weaker agonist of the androgen receptor. That alone causes quite a reduction in the risk of androgenic side-effects. This is because it is the only steroid that is affected by the 5-alpha-reductase (5AR) enzyme in a way that makes it even less androgenic. Unlike testosterone which forms DHT (dihydrotestosterone) at the 5AR enzyme, a hormone 3-4 times as potent as an androgen receptor stimulator, nandrolone forms DHN (dihydronandrolone) a hormone that is even less suited than the already mild parent hormone for agonizing the androgen receptor. Those two features combined make nandrolone a very safe bet for people at risk for prostate hypertrophy, acne and aggravated male pattern hair loss." -Big Cat

 

[LAM]

I take saw palmetto daily on cycle or off. BPH occurss naturally in all men as you grow older. might as well attempt to keep it to a minimum for as long as possible

 

[Pirate!]

are you worried about enlargement from the deca? or are you gonna take it for the test base? you're stacking test and npp, right?

I am trying to protect my prostrate and maybe limit hair loss to some degree. I take finasteride off cycle to limit DHT conversion for the sake of my hair. Yes, I will be using Test Prop/NPP/Dbol.

 

[19-chief]

I am trying to protect my prostrate and maybe limit hair loss to some degree. I take finasteride off cycle to limit DHT conversion for the sake of my hair. Yes, I will be using Test Prop/NPP/Dbol.

then, like lam said, i'd take it anyways.

i forgot and too lazy to look for it but what did run your first AAS cycle? and how long and how much are going to run this time? 100 of each eod?

of course, i'm already going bald but i don't think i'd run any androgens if i was concerned with hairloss.

when are going to start this next cycle?

 

[redspy]

I take saw palmetto daily on cycle or off. BPH occurss naturally in all men as you grow older. might as well attempt to keep it to a minimum for as long as possible

Ditto. I take it every day. Saw Palmetto is the leading natural treatment for BPH and has some good clinicals behind it.

A three-year preliminary study in Germany found that 160 mg of saw palmetto extract taken twice daily reduced nighttime urination in 73% of patients and improved urinary flow rates significantly.18 In a double-blind trial at various sites in Europe, 160 mg of saw palmetto extract taken twice per day treated BPH as effectively as finasteride without side effects, such as loss of libido.19 A one-year dose-comparison study found that 320 mg once per day was as effective as 160 mg twice per day in the treatment of BPH.20 A review of all available double-blind trials has concluded that saw palmetto is effective for treatment of men with BPH and is just as effective as, with fewer side effects than, the drug finasteride.21
18. Bach D, Ebeling L. Long-term drug treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia???results of a prospective 3-year multicenter study using Sabal extract IDS 89. Phytomedicine 1996;3:105???11.

19. Carraro JC, Raynaud JP, Koch G, et al. Comparison of phytotherapy (Permixon®) with finasteride in the treatment of benign prostate hyperplasia: a randomized international study of 1,098 patients. Prostate 1996;29:231???40.

20. Braeckman J, Bruhwyler J, Vandekerckhove K, Géczy J. Efficacy and safety of the extract of Serenoa repens in the treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia: therapeutic equivalence between twice and once daily dosage forms. Phytotherapy Res 1997;11:558???63.

21. Wilt TJ, Ishani A, Stark G, et al. Saw palmetto extracts for treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia. A systematic review. JAMA 1998;280:1604???9.

 

[Pirate!]

My last cycle was 9 weeks of sustanon with 4 weeks of dbol.

I plan to run my next cycle for 10 weeks beginning the first week of June.

I already take saw palmetto, but I just wanted to make sure there was no problem taking it with deca since I don't understand much about why you aren't supposed to take finasteride with deca, and I didn't know if the same problems with finasteride would happen from the saw palmetto.