will start eating garlic, even though I hate it, to kill of the infections..several doctors told me to do this
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How you feeling today man? Hows the day to day struggle coming along?
it's horrible..i get the worst depression..like i just wnt to kill myself to end the suffering..i start thinking about why i got in this mess..how i was placing too much of an importance on bb and how it fucked me over in over areas of my life..the worst part is i believe i will never get better..it's been over a year and nothing has made me better..i keep thinking maybe i am not meant to survive..like survival of the fittest
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if survival of the fittest applied, then many people who have died... its survival of the strongest willed... you will get through this man...
if there are any doctors on here, i would love some opinions or suggestions as to the next step i should take..
Secret to killing this mother fuckers is to get control of your self. You have been in stress mode for so long and your body has exhausted its glandular systems. In order to get out of sympathetic or stress mood. You need to up potassium from fresh fruits and veggies as well as potassium supplements. Start with 1,000 mgs supplemental a day then increase every threes days. Go get what is called an ALpha CD it will help recovery becuase when stress it will keep you in beta mode (NOT GOOD). When producing beta waves your digestion, appetite, elimination comes to a grinding hault and also your endocrine system goes on over drive and eventually burning out your adrenals thyroid, testosterone ( NOT GOOD). The probiotics will help but healing has to start with your mind. This is going to be how you will heal. Parasymptahetic system is used for rest and repair, and rebuilding , digesting, ANABOLIC STATE, Sympathetic = CATABOLIC STATE
Parasympathetic shutdown also means the large intestine won???t work. It???s main function is to conserve water. As the digestive sludge is delivered to the large intestine, it normally extracts the water. Without normal enervation and poor blood supply, this doesn???t work well. There develops a waxy, oily coating of the large intestine. The wall of the gut becomes leaky and inflamed = leaky gut syndrome. This allows large molecule proteins to enter the blood causing allergy. The blood tries to excrete them through the sinuses = sinusitis. The debris invites Candida and parasites to live there because they like to eat the waxy, oily debris. Killing them does little = they will keep returning until the parasympathetic system is re-activated.
3. When the sympathetic system is on, it also turns on all of the endocrine glands so that we can fight or run better. The brain makes more serotonin, dopamine, and nor-epinephrine. The thyroid makes more hormone to increase metabolism. The parathyroid makes more hormone to increase calcium which is necessary for nerve conduction and muscle contraction. The pancreas makes more insulin. The adrenals make more cortisol so more sugar is available. They also make more adrenalin. The gonads make more sex hormones which make us stronger.
In addition to not having the proper building blocks to make hormones, the endocrine glands also just wear out from running 24/7. That means the brain can???t think, your metabolism slows down so you gain weight you can???t lose, lack of adrenalin makes it hard for you to deal with stress, lack of cortisol and insulin makes you hypoglycemic, and lack of sex hormones makes you impotent and then disinterested in sex.
Now you are set up for chronic fatigue and then organ failure. You are susceptible to all sorts of infections. Because your brain doesn???t have the chemicals to think and you are low on adrenalin, you go from anxiety to anger to depression to anxiety to anger to depression. This causes your relationships to fail with your spouse, your parents, your children, your co-workers and your God.
This is what is called the Pathway to Disease. To have any lasting affect, you must go back to the beginning to shut down the sympathetic and turn on the parasympathetic systems. First you must replace the missing magnesium and potassium (and often copper). You must correct the pH with better food choices and a short-term burst of sodium bicarbonate. You must eliminate the food toxins by restricting wheat and corn. Eat fruit for breakfast and meat and vegetables except corn for lunch and supper. Start desensitizing to the wheat and corn by using homeopathics. Then start working with the emotional things that turn on the sympathetic system.
Once we can balance the autonomic system, the gut will start absorbing nutrients, the endocrine glands will rest and recover, the immune system will recover, etc. If you don???t, you???re wasting your time. Killing Candida without turning on the parasympathetic system is like taking the dent out of one fender of a car which has been totaled. The fender may look better, but the car is still a wreck.
Parasympathetic shutdown also means the large intestine won???t work. It???s main function is to conserve water. As the digestive sludge is delivered to the large intestine, it normally extracts the water. Without normal enervation and poor blood supply, this doesn???t work well. There develops a waxy, oily coating of the large intestine. The wall of the gut becomes leaky and inflamed = leaky gut syndrome. This allows large molecule proteins to enter the blood causing allergy. The blood tries to excrete them through the sinuses = sinusitis. The debris invites Candida and parasites to live there because they like to eat the waxy, oily debris. Killing them does little = they will keep returning until the parasympathetic system is re-activated.
3. When the sympathetic system is on, it also turns on all of the endocrine glands so that we can fight or run better. The brain makes more serotonin, dopamine, and nor-epinephrine. The thyroid makes more hormone to increase metabolism. The parathyroid makes more hormone to increase calcium which is necessary for nerve conduction and muscle contraction. The pancreas makes more insulin. The adrenals make more cortisol so more sugar is available. They also make more adrenalin. The gonads make more sex hormones which make us stronger.
In addition to not having the proper building blocks to make hormones, the endocrine glands also just wear out from running 24/7. That means the brain can???t think, your metabolism slows down so you gain weight you can???t lose, lack of adrenalin makes it hard for you to deal with stress, lack of cortisol and insulin makes you hypoglycemic, and lack of sex hormones makes you impotent and then disinterested in sex.
Now you are set up for chronic fatigue and then organ failure. You are susceptible to all sorts of infections. Because your brain doesn???t have the chemicals to think and you are low on adrenalin, you go from anxiety to anger to depression to anxiety to anger to depression. This causes your relationships to fail with your spouse, your parents, your children, your co-workers and your God.
This is what is called the Pathway to Disease. To have any lasting affect, you must go back to the beginning to shut down the sympathetic and turn on the parasympathetic systems. First you must replace the missing magnesium and potassium (and often copper). You must correct the pH with better food choices and a short-term burst of sodium bicarbonate. You must eliminate the food toxins by restricting wheat and corn. Eat fruit for breakfast and meat and vegetables except corn for lunch and supper. Start desensitizing to the wheat and corn by using homeopathics. Then start working with the emotional things that turn on the sympathetic system.
Once we can balance the autonomic system, the gut will start absorbing nutrients, the endocrine glands will rest and recover, the immune system will recover, etc. If you don???t, you???re wasting your time. Killing Candida without turning on the parasympathetic system is like taking the dent out of one fender of a car which has been totaled. The fender may look better, but the car is still a wreck.
well, the doc from socal said to avoid fruit altogether, saying it is feeding the candida...also i keep trying to supplement and where has that got me? nowhere
Justin it does not happen over night if you are potassium defiencient it will take more then a few days some times a few weeks depending how low you are. i am just eating as much potassium as I can about 4-6 grams a day consisting of veggies mainly with tons of seas veggies and home made kefir. We stress our system from mineral imbalances and dieting and creatic acid bodies leaving us open to any thing. Mine was from swithcing to protein shakes which over loaded body with calcium, phosphous and not enough potassium, sodium to neutrilize the acid it created. You can thank work for that because shakes replaced solid foods that had more nutrients then just a protein shake. Now i have to destress my mind by more alpha waves (mediation, and more potassium based foods). Why do they tell cancer patients to eat fruits and veggies because it helps body heal and get back from an acidic state
didn't i just say i couldn't eat fruit because it will feed my candida? it's like a lose/lose situation
I read through most of the thread. So what did you end up having? Lyme disease? I was reading about the symtoms you had with the anxiety attacks, and panic attacks, and it sounded similar to what I had. At one point I was overweight and had depression and anxiety. The anxiety attacks can come at anytime. I was also really sick, and layed in bed and cried for months. This was a while ago, but I know what it is like.
i don't think anyone knows anymore...if something doesn't star hap[pening i am just gonna take my life because i am tired of fighting the unknown
oaktownboy said:
have you though about goning to a pyschiartirst to talk about your feelings at all?
There has to be a logical explanation to your heath problem. I would say just go to one doctor and stick it out instead of going to all these doctors and trying all these home remedies and such. It sounds like Hardasnails has you on a witch hunt more than he is helping you. Your problems aren't his. I would stop listening to him.
It seems like you have one issue after another and they keep changing etc.....I think most if not all of this is mental. I have panic/anxiety and it can really fuck with your head....add depression on top of that and you could explain a lot if not all of whats been going on with you. I would have to agree 100% your next step should be to see a shrink....let them check hormone levels and evaluate your symptoms and the situation....get one good board cert. doctor and stick with it.
^^got any suggestions for a good one?
Do something crazy. Break all of your current living routines. Take a trip to another country for a couple of weeks and forget about your problems. Live there and try to relax and do random things that make you feel happy.
haha u must be jokin..i am almost broke from all the doctors and drugs i had to pay for which were not covered by my insurance
Pfunk - understand he has a medical condition known as "dybiosis" which is gut imbalance which bacteria gives off poisonous gases that fuck with your brain and your body has to deal with them. Gases causes acids to buildup that puts your body in STRESS mode all the time As I told him before he must stop thinking negative thoughts because that is adding more acid to his body and depeleting his mineral reseerves which is showing up on his tests. Solution to this problem was to identify the organism which he has done . Second step is to rid the bacteria which there is a tremendous amount of on top of the parasite. All these bacteria causes poisons in your bodies and makes your liver work over time to take care of them and after time liver gets exausted and will affect your whole endocrine system from adrenals to thyroid to testosterone. All of you have been loooking at the symptoms and never the root cause. The Root cause of this would be mostlikely a weaken immune system from dieting and other variable making him more vulnerable to infections. When you are under stress your body internal flora weakens and the good flora get depleted and bad bacteria take over producing tons of toxins that stimulate your sympathetic nervous system and no matter what you do your body is in constant stress mode till you get rid get balance back in your system. All the people he has seen from the start other then medical drs have told him it was in his gut from the start and they were right and the last medical dr proved it with the test. But I agree he does have to have a more positive out look but with what is going on inside you can understand why he has been acting the way he has been. I have been to 2 shrinks as well and they told me every thing I have been through and presented the facts (medical documents from medical journals backing up my facts ) they agreed that it was miss handled from the start and I was mentally stable. So shrink were waste a time in my aspect becuase I knew I was right from the start and medical drs did not know how to handle it and still do not, but all my test show same thing "Dybiosis of the Bowel".
Justin call your medical dr and have him call the lab where they did the test and see what the lab recommends you do. Great smokies provided a remedy chart with antibiotics and herbs which where indiviualized the handle the particular bacteria found. I know you had a rough time when you were younger and other issues that I am sure adding to this problem as well and dieting/traning just may have been enough to bring it out and weaken your immune system leaving you subseptible to anything.
Right now you just have to ride things out untill body rebalance it. I am doing everyting I can to get my self back to alkaline from being acidic. The bacteria is what is causing the acid in your body. So by getting rid of bacteria and getting back to more alkaline with be the key to your recovery. To see how acid you are your dr can check bicarbonates to see if you are deficient and if you are all it take is a few iv's of sodium bicarbonates to get you back to base and body can repair it self, but that is your dr to determine. That is the only thing right now I can think of could point to show how acid you are. May be a parathyroid and cAMP. If you are acid then your sympathethic system is working on over drive as well as your parathyroid that controls your calcium metabolism which can affect numerous reactions. cAMP will give a reading of your over all energy systems if they are exhausted or not
Not that complicated
STRESS - WEAKEN IMMUNE SYSTEM - INTESTINAL IMBALANCE - ACIDOSIS (low bicarbonates) -TOXIC LIVER - HORMONAL IMBALANCES
Justin call your medical dr and have him call the lab where they did the test and see what the lab recommends you do. Great smokies provided a remedy chart with antibiotics and herbs which where indiviualized the handle the particular bacteria found. I know you had a rough time when you were younger and other issues that I am sure adding to this problem as well and dieting/traning just may have been enough to bring it out and weaken your immune system leaving you subseptible to anything.
Right now you just have to ride things out untill body rebalance it. I am doing everyting I can to get my self back to alkaline from being acidic. The bacteria is what is causing the acid in your body. So by getting rid of bacteria and getting back to more alkaline with be the key to your recovery. To see how acid you are your dr can check bicarbonates to see if you are deficient and if you are all it take is a few iv's of sodium bicarbonates to get you back to base and body can repair it self, but that is your dr to determine. That is the only thing right now I can think of could point to show how acid you are. May be a parathyroid and cAMP. If you are acid then your sympathethic system is working on over drive as well as your parathyroid that controls your calcium metabolism which can affect numerous reactions. cAMP will give a reading of your over all energy systems if they are exhausted or not
Not that complicated
STRESS - WEAKEN IMMUNE SYSTEM - INTESTINAL IMBALANCE - ACIDOSIS (low bicarbonates) -TOXIC LIVER - HORMONAL IMBALANCES
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yea, but all I am saying is that you are not him! Just because you have this problem doesn't mean that he does also. You are diagnosing someone over the internet without ever seeing them in person. It would be like me saying "oh yea yup...you tore your pec. gotta get that fixed" without ever seeing the person.
As far as a lot of this stuff goes most Doctors handle it "improperly" (as you say) because most of them don't believe in things that you talk about (ie candida). I am not one to say if it is real or not because the body is a strange thing. But, what I can say is that stress, mental stress, kills the system, kills immunity and runs you into the ground. Poor justin is sitting there with all this shit on his plate and you keep piling it on...."Justin get this...justin get that...get a new Doctor....new tests.....new blood work....new probiotics." It is like I said...a witch hunt!! Maybe a shrink didn't work for you....maybe it would work for him....maybe he doesn't have what you have. he needs to clear his head and relax. But how can he relax when you are throwing all this shit at him? It is like giving a hypocondriac an encyclopdia of diseases....they will freak the fuck out!!
As far as a lot of this stuff goes most Doctors handle it "improperly" (as you say) because most of them don't believe in things that you talk about (ie candida). I am not one to say if it is real or not because the body is a strange thing. But, what I can say is that stress, mental stress, kills the system, kills immunity and runs you into the ground. Poor justin is sitting there with all this shit on his plate and you keep piling it on...."Justin get this...justin get that...get a new Doctor....new tests.....new blood work....new probiotics." It is like I said...a witch hunt!! Maybe a shrink didn't work for you....maybe it would work for him....maybe he doesn't have what you have. he needs to clear his head and relax. But how can he relax when you are throwing all this shit at him? It is like giving a hypocondriac an encyclopdia of diseases....they will freak the fuck out!!
I agree completely here. Having worked in an Emergency Room and with the little schooling I have, the mind can have A LOT to play with problems with the body. Talking to a therapist can NEVER hurt buddy.P-funk said:
I agree he has to gain control of the situation and relax his mind. Seeing a therapist or mediation could help possible. But as I said before when you have all that bacteria/yeast in your gut verified by labortories test it poisons rest of your body with toxins that is a proven fact that is the only abnormality that has shown up. Dealing with the psychological part with help the heal body as well. "What mind believes the body achieves". What came first the psychological or phyiscal stress we will never know but inorder to completely heal both have to be addressed. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT NOW
yeh i will definetly go see a psychologist..but I don't know how to approach my physical problems
Rocco32 said:
Its called the biopsychosocial model, all new doctors are trained in it! its a good model, its unbelivable the ramifications of our thoughts, cognitions, emotions, and social surroundings can have on us!
Commonly called psycho somatic? Not really a new concept,but interesting. Again what came first the chicken or the egg (physical or mental aspect). Is it me or does this all sound like a severe case of over training that went totally awry? Which again comes back to combination of phyiscal and emotional stress weakening immune system. Both do have to be addressed in order for complete recovery, Now are we on the same page?
Oak I would contact your insurance so they can refer you to a board cert doctor. Most insurance companies have their docs listed online. You can see what their specialty is. I would recommend you see an internal medicine doctor. They know more about your insides then a general practitioner. The insurance ought to be able to direct you to a shrink. I feel they can evaluate you and let you know what is best. My only caution with that is shrinks like to put people on a cocktail of anti-depressants. I am not a fan of them and do not think they are always the answer. They have a TON of side effects in the majority of people that take them. They will level your mood but they tend to leave to weight gain, insomnia, and severe sexual side effects. I am speaking from experience here. For my anxiety/panic I take Xanax .5mg 3 times a day. I do not usually take my full days dose. Since it is addictive I try to take on an as needed basis. It have been working wonders for my problem the past 2 years. I think any of the benzodiazepine drugs are a good thing to look into. Xanax, Klonopin, and Valium are all good. Xanax has worked best for me and its very quick acting so it works in a jiffy. The Xanax relieves stress, calms your nerves, and gives you a sense of well being. I feel that is a HUGE step in the right direction for you.
omfg... I have read every single one of these posts and I can honestly say that this shit is absolutely bringing tears to my eyes. For FUCK sake... I had a sprained ankle + anxiety attacks + an appendix operation over the summer along with severe depression and that doesnt even compare to this in the slightest amount. I REALLY feel for you my man. I am roughly the same age as you and I have no idea at all how you could deal with all this shit... I dont even know what to say except to tough it out and im sure that you will come out on top. Things have a way of working out. I bet when all of this stupid bullshit is over, everything will go right for you. If there is ANYTHING at all that I can do for ya bro just lemme know cuz I can honestly say I feel for ya.. pc
I hope things work out for you Oak..it is a long and hard process, but at least you have the people on this board to talk to
I have went through the last 3 years of my life with medical problems (although not as bad as yours) and I understand how hopeless and empty it can make you feel. The best advice I can offer is to keep yourself surrounded by positive people and STOP listening to advice from people who are not medical professionals, it will only make the problems worse. Everyone is a hypochondriac (sp) to some extent...hearing more side effects and diseases only makes the original problem worse...ya know??
You will be in my thoughts and prayers, and if you EVER need to talk to anyone please PM me or email
BILLIE
I have went through the last 3 years of my life with medical problems (although not as bad as yours) and I understand how hopeless and empty it can make you feel. The best advice I can offer is to keep yourself surrounded by positive people and STOP listening to advice from people who are not medical professionals, it will only make the problems worse. Everyone is a hypochondriac (sp) to some extent...hearing more side effects and diseases only makes the original problem worse...ya know?? You will be in my thoughts and prayers, and if you EVER need to talk to anyone please PM me or email
BILLIE
Just hang in there justin once that parasites/bacteria cleared out your body is back in balance you will be back to normal. Paitence is hard thing to learn but it is a lesson well worth it in the end.
Oaktown..?
is Oak still around? Its been a while since he gave us an update.
