Global warming is a non-issue to our childrens future. If you want to worry about something, biological and nanotech virus's are a more real threat... but still nothing we won't overcome.
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Scientists: 'No question' that man-made warming exists'
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Global warming is a non-issue to our childrens future. If you want to worry about something, biological and nanotech virus's are a more real threat... but still nothing we won't overcome.
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Too many people = More heat produced...
Ever look at inner city areas mapped with an infrared camera?
Ever look at inner city areas mapped with an infrared camera?
These discussions are just too predictable nowadays. We all know what types like DOMS and NeilPearson are going to say, it's just the opposition that changes a bit. 
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, so when all the zillion light bulbs, campfires, ovens, papermills, car engines, hot farts release their energy where is that expected to go?
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That has to do with building materials. It's known as the "Concrete Island Effect".
When i walk outside, the temperature suddenly increase 10 degrees
i like to see when someone makes a post showing they have a little background knowlege. 2 points for doms.
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i like to see when someone makes a post showing they have a little background knowlege. 2 points for doms.
Thanks, bio-chem.
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Look, 5 years ago it was my belief that man just was not powerful enough to cause the climate of the entire world to change. My main reason for going into Alternative Energy 5 years ago was because I would rather see a clean enjoyable planet with plentiful resources that we didn't have to depend on the hotbloods for. Here it is 5 years later and I still hold that man couldn't be the soul cause for climate change, but my immersion in this field has forced me to sit through dozens of talks about how man's industrial waste has caused the demise of flora and fauna, how we have caused a more rapid "natural climate change", how it is in our best interest to do all that we can to stop the wheel that we set in motion and start making plans for adapting to these changes because now that we've got that ball rolling faster than it would have had we not accelerated it, it's time for us to play catch-up..........For the most part, this report, as usuall, is full of shit.
They say crap like, "Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level. There can be no question that the increase in greenhouse gases are dominated by human activities."
I'd like to see a 1 to 1 correlation that makes this a fact.
The only interesting thing was that they said this, "And the report said no matter how much civilization slows or reduces its greenhouse gas emissions, global warming and sea level rise will continue on for centuries."
Yet the fail to mention that the reason for the unstoppable rise is that it's a natural trend.
Once again, it's nothing more than facts mixed with implications and lies of ommission.
The damage is done it's time for damage control people, so stop bitching and moaning about who's fault it was and start making some changes. Starting tomorrow change a few of your most used lightbulbs in your home to compact fluorescents, hell why not change them all they are investments, they last multiple times longer than incandescents, use a sixth of the power and don't waste most of their energy as heat.....
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1200 multi-national scientists are politically motivated and spewing crap....it just doesn't add up to me. The suggestion is that 1200 scientists came together (yes under the wing of the UN) to deceive us so that their future climate research projects would receive the proper grants and funding.
I'm not saying it's not possible because frankly, in this day and age anything is possible, but it sounds a little suspect.
I'm not saying it's not possible because frankly, in this day and age anything is possible, but it sounds a little suspect.
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I did, those damn tri-light CFL's are almost 20 bucks a pop. There's a bit of sticker shock when you swap to the new bulbs. A little piece of you dies when you drop one too.
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Where did I ever say that we shouldn't clean up our act or the environment? Just point to one fucking sentence where I said that. I never said that.
The damage is done it's time for damage control people, so stop bitching and moaning about who's fault it was and start making some changes. Starting tomorrow change a few of your most used lightbulbs in your home to compact fluorescents, hell why not change them all they are investments, they last multiple times longer than incandescents, use a sixth of the power and don't waste most of their energy as heat.....
It's the pro-global warming that are bitching and whining about the fact that not everyone is buying into their shit. Fuck you very much.
Oh, and about a qaurter of the rooms in my house are lit by fluorescent bulbs and as the old bulbs burn out, they get replaced with fluorescents.
I didn't say you didn't say....
There are two faction bitching back and forth about is there is or is there ain't anthropogenic climate change, that isn't even near a reason for me to give a fuck about making changes to where we get our energy from, the largest reason I can see is because the less oil there is in the Middle-east is more of a reason for them to make a case for having Nuclear Power Plants, from which a nation or a terrorist could obtain the materials for a Nuclear damage device. And besides that we need to further the funding of Alternative Energy Research ten fold if we plan on holding on to being one of the largest economies. Thats where part of our future lies or Japan and Germany will rape us because they are full tilt into Alt. Energies....I mean the more gadgets they come out with the more power we're going to need......Power is power in this day and age...
And just go and change all of your bulbs now because once California makes the Edison incandescent illegal other states like to follow suit shortly there after just like they did with the no smoking laws.......how funny would that be old style light bulbs would be like crack, some man would be in the alley looking for a 100 Watt bulb for his little girls Easy Bake Oven "Yo man, I gots 60's but you know 100's is a felony charge it ain't worth it dude...."
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Methane Squats?
Actually I think it was a Gerbil... you know those Kiki's
Government grants for the scientists.
As for politicians pushing it--it is a great excuse to claim more power. It's something they can claim to protect the people from.
This is vaguely connected, just demonstrating how politicians can twist things to try and acquire more power/control:
A comment from Hillary Clinton about SEIZING a company's profits. How can this woman get away with saying this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1PfE9K8j0g
That statement goes south very fast ... you cannot show that humans are not accelerating the process. All those graphs you say are not there or go to shit on the right edge may not please you but SOME few of them do show undeniable proof that we ass a species are accelerating the issue. The trouble with the issue is that people try to make this an all or none kinda thing and it plainly isn't. Global warming trends are part of this planet's history AND its future. Are we speeding this up? Of course we are ... any one who denies it is a fool. Could we stop it? Not a chance in hell.
Are we responsible as parents to hand off to our great grand children a planet that's in as good a shape as it was when we arrived here? Duh ...
Will explaining away the issues make them go away? C'mon get a grip. It's part of reality that we are increasing the amount of contributing factors by the way we as a species do the things we do as we meet our needs to live here. Trains, coal factories, petroleum consuming motors and everything like this drive our lives and have an undeniable impact on this ecosystem. Can we do anything to minimize our impact is the real question that needs to be responsibly addressed. As long as we allow our leaders to politicize it, their bi-partisan followers to galvanize around it, and the scientists to profit from it we will solve nothing.
Personally I think it will just continue to get worse as politics take a higher precedence over ecology. It would be nice to see solutions offered here instead of denials and arguments over shades of gray.
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The party that brings the accusation is the party that must provide the proof. Duh...
You denying this proof is there doesn't equate to the scientific community not providing it. Gratuitous insult inserted here---> Duh ...
You gotta get past this thing you have of screaming there is no proof. It's been clearly given. What is fucked up is that people are still trying to say we CAUSED this trend. We didn't ... but we are accelerating it. Nobody with a sane brain can look at all the crap we put in the air and say we have no impact on this trend ... we need to all get behind this and look at solutions instead of screaming we have no causal impact. The longer we apply our collective thought processes argueing did we do this or did we do that the less we can do about the problem.
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Then show me the definitive proof. Show the causality of CO2 emissions to the mean temperature.
Again I say, there are plenty of real, provable, reasons to clean up the environment without resorting to making shit up.
I'm going to look past the show me thing to the part where we agree that we need to do something about the environment.
So what do we do to clean it up? Don't evade me on this one DOMS ...
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I'm going to look past the show me thing to the part where we agree that we need to do something about the environment.
So what do we do to clean it up? Don't evade me on this one DOMS ...
Just keep doing what we've been doing. I know it's fashionable, even among Americans, do talk shit about the US, but we've been cleaning up our act for decades. Just look at how much the pollution level has dropped in L.A. I grew up there, I can see the difference.
What I'd really like to see is a move away from oil. Not only would this clean up the environment, but I can vacation down in Venezuela after their economy collapses when they lose their number one customer and their primary export item drops to a fraction of its current price. I could throw my food on the ground and watch them scramble for it.
The women there would be even more easy to ... errr meat.
The issues here are not about America but about a global standard hat we all would somehow be required to follow ... that was where I intended to go with my question to you. All this blathering is about more than just the USA and our contributions to the problem.
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The only way that the lesser nations would do anything of value towards a clean environment would be if they received handouts. Trading concessions, relaxed tariffs, the ability to undercut other country's prices, and such. That would create a shit load of other problems.
The only way to "make" them do it, would be through tough international laws. Which would have to be the reverse of everything I outlined in the previous paragraph. Which would create its share of problems.
It all comes back to the old adage: You can lead a man to water, but you can't make him drink.
