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Seeking guidance to begin workout routine

dolemite

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I'm brand new here to the forums, and yes, I am a skinny bastard. (6'2 170 lbs)

Last summer, I managaged to go from 165 lbs to 180 lbs in three months working out 4 days a week for about an hour. I was also taking creatine. Since then, i've really slacked off, and have settled in to a new job.

Now, I'm back down to 170 lbs. I would like to put on another 15 to 20 lbs (or more!) and am hoping you guys can help me set up a routine for my training. I guess i'm going for an all-around workout, not specifically concentrating on anything. Is there a website somewhere that lists various training routines or such?

I've also just purchased the following items, so let me know how i should incorporate these:

Prolab Creatine Monohydrate 600 gm
Biotest Power Drive
Cytodyne Methoxy-Pro
Twinlab Daily One MultiVitamin

My work schedule is 7am - 5pm so i would most likely be going to the gym after that. I guess I'm just looking for any good ideas/opinions on a diet and training schedule that i should follow. Thanks!
 
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Dear Dolomite,I can help you but not in the format provided by the forum.Your problem is one we handle successfully every day in our gym in Dillon,Montana.If you are interested in some detailed help dial www.edsgym.com and we'll get you started,And reading from you rsupplement selectio n don't by anymore untill you have talked to me or Ed-supplements are to costly to purchasing the wrong ones.MaryJean
 
Thanks for the reply MJ.

Can you elaborate on why you think I purchased the wrong supplements? I went to your site and saw that you charge $30 for the Powerdrive, while I got it for $17. So I doubt I'll be buying from you guys, but I would certainly welcome your advice/opinion... Thanks!~
 
hey dolemite,the supps look good,work can mess up a good work out program,can you post your last work out.did it include any type of cardio.also what type of food are you you taking and are you drinking enuf water?? post it asap.there's alot of good help on this board,so getting you back on track should'nt be a problem:thumb:
 
I've been to the gym off and on since my 'hardcore' regimen last summer. The last time was right before Christmas. I know i probably don't drink enough water either. Maybe a couple glasses a day, while I may drink up to a gallon of tea a day! (you know us southerners, gotta have our sweet tea)...

My cardio is pretty much non-existant. I always thought that was for weight loss, and i really don't wanna loose weight. I'm actually fairly cut, just not alot of mass. Is it possible for me to bulk up while staying cut? As for diet, I feel i do eat fairly well. I just graduated from college and am living at home with the folks for a few months. They are awesome gourmet cooks so I eat good exotic foods; i'm willing to bet it's not what i SHOULD be eating though.
 
Dolemite,
I think Sir Tank wanted a few more details before he could help you. You have all the ingredients for a better body. What recipe do you plan on using to get to the finished product? What are you doing now? Do you have a set routine, or do you just walk in the gym and do whatever you feel like that day?? Put out some details here and you'll get plenty of advice.......for free......with no solicitations to other web pages.

I did a little digging for you. Here's a starting point.

3 or 4 Split
 
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Thanks for the link, that looks pretty good...

Right now, I'm doing nothing but reading and looking for a routine that looks like something i would like... Just a well rounded routine for 3 maybe 4 days a week. One thing i could point out, i have never lifted much as far as legs go. I hate working legs, but i really want to pick up the pace on that. Also, since i 'slacked off' i had been doing about 10 reps of 185 lbs on the bench press (just to give you an idea of where i stand). Another thing is i love doing dips. Is this a really beneficial excercise and should i include it in my new routine or am i wasting my time?
 
You gotta do legs if you want a great body. Keep the dips. Great exercise. I do them on my arm day. (Good vertical form) I have also done them on chest days ( little more forward lean to push it more into the pecs)

This whole scene is discipline. Find a good routine. Eat right. Get your rest. Stick to it and results will come.

Have fun.:)
 
Originally posted by dolemite
I've also just purchased the following items, so let me know how i should incorporate these:

Prolab Creatine Monohydrate 600 gm
Biotest Power Drive
Cytodyne Methoxy-Pro
Twinlab Daily One MultiVitamin

These look ok, I'm not sure what the Cytodyne Methoxy is? If its a fat loose supp, you don't need that one if your wanting to put some mass on.

As far as routines go, I think prince has a few on the main Ironmag page you could follow.

For mas you wanna keep your reps around 6-8 (if your not that experienced and 4 to 6 once you are)
Your workout should focus around core movements like Squats, Deads, and other movements the recrute more than one muscle. I wouldn't worry about concentration movements for now.

Oh and by the way, dips are great, once you get use to them, do them with some weight straped on and you'll really start to see some growth.
 
Welcome to the board! :wave2:

You sound like a classic "ectomorph" body type, meaning you are naturally skinny and have a hard time putting on any weight.

So, what you really need to concentrate on is eating, not supplements. Supps are not going to help you gain weight, calories will.

You should follow a basic routine incorporating compound movments, and when you're not lifting - EAT! :D

A lot of info has been posted in these forums over the last year, so searching might benefit you. Here is a recent post that should help -->
http://www.ironmagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=3637
 
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Dolomite,I told you to talk to Ed first because of the results I have witnessed personally by those he has trained.You can witness them to.Go to www.edsgym.com and actually review ALL of the pages,not just click on supplements.In particular look at the Mem,ber of the Month and the ON LINE MEMBER of the month-then make up your own mind.Unlike the information you have been getting with your thread we train real people at Ed's Gym and on line and are resposible directly for the results.Ed has a mass building program that has been very successful with everyone who has used it(300 to date)You won't find it in any magazine,or from any of the members on IronMagazine .Regarding your supplements' they show a lack of planning and integration into a well designed program to build mass.As for the price we advertize "reasonable prices".We know that on any given product we will be higher than some,but lower than most.But of course you can go back to the store you bought your product from as often as you need and they'll be glad to answer all of your training needs.Also,I wasn't trying to sell you supplements in my response.If you read it you'll see I was offering what we do best-helping little men turn into big men.Good luck.MaryJean
 
Originally posted by maryjean
Dolomite,I told you to talk to Ed first because of the results I have witnessed personally by those he has trained.You can witness them to.Go to www.edsgym.com and actually review ALL of the pages,not just click on supplements.In particular look at the Mem,ber of the Month and the ON LINE MEMBER of the month-then make up your own mind.Unlike the information you have been getting with your thread we train real people at Ed's Gym and on line and are resposible directly for the results.Ed has a mass building program that has been very successful with everyone who has used it(300 to date)You won't find it in any magazine,or from any of the members on IronMagazine .Regarding your supplements' they show a lack of planning and integration into a well designed program to build mass.As for the price we advertize "reasonable prices".We know that on any given product we will be higher than some,but lower than most.But of course you can go back to the store you bought your product from as often as you need and they'll be glad to answer all of your training needs.Also,I wasn't trying to sell you supplements in my response.If you read it you'll see I was offering what we do best-helping little men turn into big men.Good luck.MaryJean


You're joking right? Dolemite, you do not need to go to this "Ed" person, nor do you need all those supplements. Getting bigger is actually quite simple when you're a beginner. Here are a few things you should read:

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"How do I get big?"

I don't know how many times I have heard that question. Want to know how to get big? EAT MORE! That is the ONLY way to gain weight. No supplements, no training routine, and not even Anabolic Steroids will make you gain weight if you are not eating enough!

"But I have a fast metabolism, I eat all the time but I still can't gain any weight"

Look. No matter how fast your metabolism, you can gain weight. Its all just a matter of finding the amount of calories you need to consume on a daily basis. Here's how to find out: For one week, record EVERYTHING that you eat or drink...everything that you goes in your mouth. Calculate how many calories, protein, carbohydrates (carbs), and fat are in each meal. Add up these numbers to get your daily total. If your weight didn't change at all this week, then you have just found your AMR (active metabolic rate). In other words, this is the amount of calories you need to consume on a daily basis to stay at your current weight. In order to gain, you have to add calories to this number...500 should do the trick. If not, add another 500. Keep adding until you start to gain (1 pound a week is a good amount to shoot for, any more than that and you are adding some fat). Pretty simple, huh?

Macronutrient Ratio's

The three macronutrients (macro's) are carbs, protein, and fat.

Each macronutrient has a caloric value...


Protein-4 calories

Carbs-4 calories

Fat-9 calories


My favourite, and usually a very effective macronutrient breakdown for gaining muscle is:

40% carbs
30% protein
30% fat

That's 40% of calories from carbs, and 30% from fat and protein.So a person taking in 3000 calories per day would consume 300g of carbs, 225g of protein, and 100g of fat. Don't be afraid of carbs, they are not the evil the media and many other writers make them out to be.

Most of your protein should come from animal sources, beef, fish, eggs, and milk are some good quality protein sources. Carbs should come from grains, oats, and veggies, but try to stay away from simple sugars. Fats from non-saturated sources...oils, eggs, and peanut butter are all very good sources of fat, try to avoid saturated fat as much as possible (solid at room temperature).

Remember, to gain weight...you have to eat more calories than you burn off. As your weight increases, so will your caloric requirements. To keeps gaining, you have to keep adding the calories.

Training To Gain Muscle

Now that you have a basic understanding of nutrition for weight gain, i will teach you the basics of weight training to gain muscle. If you eat to gain weight, and don't weight train, you are going to get fat. I'm sure muscle weight gain is your goal, so you have to train, and you have to do it right.

Weight training is very simple, but most people make it much more complicated than it really is. First things First, put down that muscle magazine! The training routines outlined in these mags are those of elite bodybuilders, who have years and years of training under their belt. They are poor routines for a natural (without Anabolic Steroid use), and certainly are not suited for a beginner.

OK, now that that is out of the way, i will tell you the basic principles of training for muscle growth...

Train no more than 5 times a week, 3-4 would be best. This allows for maximum recuperation and prevents burn-out (overtraining).

Train each muscle group only once a week. This provides the muscle group with plenty of time to rest and grow.

Overload. In order for your muscles to grow, you must get stronger. Try to add weight, or a rep EVERY workout.

Train your whole body. Don't neglect any bodyparts, especially your legs...since your legs alone make up half of your body!

Use a full Range of Motion (ROM) on every rep of every set. Never sacrifice ROM for heavier weight.

Don't overlap muscle groups. Ex. when you train back, no matter how well you "isolate" it, your biceps will be involved to some degree. Therefore, don't train your biceps the day after back, or vice versa. Same rule applies to chest, shoulders, and triceps....and Quads and Hams.

Utilize free weight exercises as much as possible.

Utilize compound exercises as much as possible. Compound exercises are exercises that involve more than one major muscle group. Examples of compound exercises are:

Squats

Deadlifts

Bench Press

Chin Ups

Rows

Overhead Press

Parallel Bar Dips


Train to failure. This means training until you can't possibly do one more rep during a set. If a training program tells you to do 10 reps, then you should reach failure on your 10th rep. DO NOT stop just just because your only supposed to do 10 reps, just make sure to add weight on your next workout.

Don't exceed 20 sets per day training. This is just generally speaking,but it is a good guideline. I recommend 6-12 sets for large bodyparts (chest, back, legs), and 4-6 sets for small bodyparts (biceps, triceps, calves, traps).

Use a 6-12 rep range most of the time. This has been shown to be the ideal rep range for muscle growth.

More isn't always better. Don't make the mistake of thinking that's the more you train, the more you will grow. This is not the case. Remember, training is just a stimulus for growth...you grow outside of the gym.

Rest

Try to get at least 8 hours of sleep EVERY night. This is one of the few areas of bodybuilding where more is actually better.

Conclusion

I have just outlined a basic guideline more muscular weight gain. You must understand that your diet is the most important aspect when trying to gain weight (and any other time). But, in order to gain muscular bodyweight, all three factors must be present and well planned. Master Nutrition, Weight training and recuperation...and you will be on your way to you bodybuilding goals.

Written by Justin Frank - wannabebig.com

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and:


"So, you wanna be big?

It isn't rocket science. As a matter of fact, contrary to what some may tell you, it isn't particularly complicated at all. You don't need any formal training in physiology, or a degree in nutrition.

So, what DO you need?

You need to understand and accept that gaining muscle is simple. Training compound movements with a focus on progression, solid nutrition, and rest are the main things you have to get right. If you think about it, none of them are particularly complicated. You may notice some things you think are important that have been left out. They are not really important. Get these three things down, and you'll get bigger and stronger. (Please notice, I said simple, not easy)

The training basics are not difficult to understand. Use compound movements as the base of your routine. Focus on increasing the poundage of those compound movements every time you train. Don't worry about your 'training split', don't focus on hitting all the different angles. Worry about working hard - harder than you think you can work. Don't sweat the details, certainly not as a beginner. You need to know that your success is directly related to how hard you can push yourself.

Various routines work for various people, but hard work is the common factor.

People spend lifetimes trying to figure out the optimal diet. Counting calories, weighing grams, cutting fat and sugar... all of it to no avail. Why? They make it too difficult. Certainly there are ways to optimise your feeding. If you are going to get into details, this is the one area I would encourage it. But you don't need to be an expert.

Wanna get big? Eat more. Follow these simple guidelines:


Eat at least 1 gram of protein per pound of goal bodyweight

Split the rest evenly between carbs and fats

Eat immediately after training

Eat whole foods/avoid processed foods

If you are hungry, you need to eat.


Sure, you can time your meals, weigh everything you put in your mouth, and record it all. That might help. But the basics you need are listed above.
Rest is the final component. How difficult is it to rest? Get as much sleep as you feel you need. 8 hours is a normal guideline. Take a nap if you are tired. Try to stick to a normal schedule of going to bed and getting up. Time away from training is key as well. You won't grow if you don't let your body rest, and that means taking time away from training. If you are working hard, you won't be capable of progressing without the appropriate rest. That is the best test of the right amount of rest for you. If you continue to progress, and you know you are working as hard as possible, then you are getting enough rest.

Simple, effective items to focus on. Basic movements done as hard as you can, attention to what you eat, and proper rest. Get them all in line, and you will succeed."

Written by Paul Stagg - wannabebig.com

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Dolemite, read those two articles. I guarentee you that if you follow whole heartingly the advice, you will get bigger.
 
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You're joking right? Dolemite, you do not need to go to this "Ed" person, nor do you need all those supplements. Getting bigger is actually quite simple when you're a beginner. Here are a few things you should read:



I second this. Believe me....I am one of those hardgainers. I weighed 135lbs at a height of 5-9 six months ago and now am 150lbs. The gains were made by working on the basic 5-6 moves twice a week and adding 50 more grams of protein a day. I would of gained more if I added more protein, rested more(stopped running) and was younger.

rjp
 
Man, so much to choose from, what do i doooooO?! THanks for the input guys, it definately helps! Since I'm just getting back into things, I'm gonna go 2 or 3 weeks at just Mon Wed Friday schedule.. You think I should later go to a 4 or even 5 day a week schedule? Also, can anyone answer this????

Remember the stuff I listed that I'm taking?

Prolab Creatine Monohydrate 600 gm
Biotest Power Drive
Cytodyne Methoxy-Pro
Twinlab Daily One MultiVitamin

Well, in what way do you think i should take this stuff...

Here's what i'm doing now:

Everyday, i'm taking the Twinlab vitamins first thing in the morning.

I'm also loading the creatine 3-4 times a day. (i'll do this for a couple more days...)

I'm only taking the Methoxy and the Power DRive on the days i work out, like this:

Power Drive w/ creatine 1/2 hr before workout...

MethoxyPro w/ creatine imediately after workout...

Is it bad to eat a meal before working out?

Lots o questions, thanks for any suggestions folks!~
 
The big key in getting into a routine is to do what is comfortable for you and to stick with it. A routine that works good for one person may not be the best for another.:D Best advice I can give is just to try different routines and diets till you find one that works, and from time to time change things up to keep motivated. Hey that sounds pretty good I think I'll try that now!
Anyways train hard.:thumb:
 
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