Short blast cycles

[pieguy]

Yeah, test c and e are almost identical. However, if we're talking short blast cycles, test c and e aren't really ideal. Most don't feel test C/E till at least week 4 so by the time you've started to feel it, you're already done. You can frontload, but it's still not great.

Hell, test p doesn't even kick in for some until week's 3 and 4. Tren is up and running usually in 1-2 weeks for most if not all. Shit's really strong if dosed correctly and dosed daily.

 

[Chrisotpherm]

This is a great thread and a lot of wisdom going on here. My hats off to you gents for sounding off. Lot of younger guys can learn so much here.


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Chris

 

[Usealittle]

What is an example of a short burst cycle to lean out? Not trying to bulk up.

Test pro/ tren/winni/mast prop for a oral tbol or var.... Something like that 2 or 3of the oils.....

But no matter what your gonna gain size.

 

[Usealittle]

This is a great thread and a lot of wisdom going on here. My hats off to you gents for sounding off. Lot of younger guys can learn so much here.


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Chris

If and when I bite the bullet and go on HRT, other then my dose I WILL only do shic's. Less drama with my body, skin and anger wise.

 

[Usealittle]

Yeah, test c and e are almost identical. However, if we're talking short blast cycles, test c and e aren't really ideal. Most don't feel test C/E till at least week 4 so by the time you've started to feel it, you're already done. You can frontload, but it's still not great.

Hell, test p doesn't even kick in for some until week's 3 and 4. Tren is up and running usually in 1-2 weeks for most if not all. Shit's really strong if dosed correctly and dosed daily.

If your prop ain't kickin in till wk 3 or 4 then what u got ain't what u think it is.

 

[Chrisotpherm]

If your prop ain't kickin in till wk 3 or 4 then what u got ain't what u think it is.

^^^^Agreed.


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Chris

 

[nickg923861]

How about a 4 week blast using test prop/ tren ace/ mast prop and replacing the oral with some suspension preworkout? Im going to be trying this out in the upcoming weeks.

 

[pieguy]

^^^ I think your dosing protocol is what's most important for how effective your blast will be. You going to be running 75mg daily? 50mg daily? 100/50/50?

If your prop ain't kickin in till wk 3 or 4 then what u got ain't what u think it is.

That's what I was worried about honestly. I'm pretty sure my source is reputable, but I'm wondering if they sent me test e instead of p. it's either that or I didn't notice the effects because I don't know what to look for. Increased libido started to happen around week 2 and maybe I shoulda took that as the first sign.

 

[Usealittle]

How about a 4 week blast using test prop/ tren ace/ mast prop and replacing the oral with some suspension preworkout? Im going to be trying this out in the upcoming weeks.

If u have run any of these esters before, for a shic u SHOULD double the dose of all of them. That's a blast not a cycle. That's why it's only 4wk time span..

 

[Usealittle]

That's what I was worried about honestly. I'm pretty sure my source is reputable, but I'm wondering if they sent me test e instead of p. it's either that or I didn't notice the effects because I don't know what to look for. Increased libido started to happen around week 2 and maybe I shoulda took that as the first sign.

with prop I feel in in 4days... Not 2wks, but then again some just don't respond to prop well. I know pantera have the same issues with prop as you do so..... How knows?!?!

 

[pieguy]

Yeah honestly my first impression of aas hasn't been what I thot itd be. I expected massive strength gains and so far haven't seen them. Maybe this week they'll kick in cuz I really wanna reach a 315 bench. Even started dbol for a boost. Up 7-10 lbs after 3 weeks though so I'm still happy.

 

[Chrisotpherm]

Yeah honestly my first impression of aas hasn't been what I thot itd be. I expected massive strength gains and so far haven't seen them. Maybe this week they'll kick in cuz I really wanna reach a 315 bench. Even started dbol for a boost. Up 7-10 lbs after 3 weeks though so I'm still happy.

It takes time though bro and at least 3-4 to really know if they are right for you and your body. Also finding the best stack or combo plays a huge part along with diet and exercise regime. I'm sure you will be taking off soon with your gains bro. Good luck!


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Chris

 

[gmta99]

How about a 4 week blast using test prop/ tren ace/ mast prop and replacing the oral with some suspension preworkout? Im going to be trying this out in the upcoming weeks.

DOOOO ITTTTTT... lol
see ya at the gym,, pick things up and throw them down

 

[jdawg5349]

1. Is anyone doing/done short (4w) cycles?

2. Idea is:
-4 week cycle + 4 weeks off + repeat
-using fast acting injectables and orals
-PCT after each cycle
-no cortisol problems
-some AI during cycle (Arimidex 0.5mg eod)
-induce max muscle gain when receptors are fresh
-side effects minimized due to short cycle length
-no long cycles, cortisol problems, crash in long between cycle time, easier to keep gains

Something like this:
W GEAR
1-4 T Prop 150mg /eod
1-4 Winstrol 30mg /ed
1-4 Arimidex 0.5mg /eod
1-4 HCG 500IU /e 5 days
5-7 PCT (Clomid)
1-4 Liv52

This would be 1st cycle.
-Hardcore training+nutrition+supplements+sleep
-Training seriously for 4 years

• Age: twenty something
• Planing to compete

I have no idea if anyone will see this but I hope this helps someone...
I have personally been experiencing with the Run N Gun method but with a twist on the dosages as I've been following guys like Victor Black and really like their approach on a "safer" approach to gear use. I feel like today's society we got a lot of new guys that rely too much on the drug use and not proper training, recovery, sleep, and most importantly PROPER NUTRITION. I'm a big advocate for using the least amount possible to get the most out of it while keep side effects at a minimal. Please keep in mind, what works for one person may not for another. I always use bloodwork to help create my cycle layouts and have been experimenting this past year and have always kept my health in check along with full recovery, meaning full recovery from PCT. So to get to it, ive incorporating the Run N Gun method with Victor Blacks conservative take on dosages and compounds. So here's my next cycle layout to cap off the end of the year. I'm not saying you can use this method to step on stage, but im also not saying you possibly cant.
So for my next layout itll be a total length of 16 weeks, broken up into two 4 week blasts with two 4 week cruises then pct.

Weeks 1-4: Blast One
Test Prop: 250mg
Npp: 300mg
Mast Prop: 200mg
Anadrol: 25mg PWO
Winstrol: 25mg PWO
Total Load: 1,000mg

Weeks 5-8: Cruise
Test Prop: 150mg
with add ons

Weeks 9-12: Blast Two
Test Prop: 300mg
Tren Ace: 250mg
Mast Prop: 200mg
Anavar: 25mg PWO
Winstrol: 25mg PWO
Total Load: 1000mg

Weeks 13-16: Cruise
Test Prop: 150mg
with add ons

*Add ons: Proviron will be ran throughout whole cycle 25-50mg, hcg 250 IUs x3 a week, Hgh 1-2 IUs daily or Mk677 10-20mg; metformin 500mg, injectable carnitine 200-300mg, for second blast will add t3/clen as it will be my cutting portion of the plan.

I've been researching and experimenting and this has worked for me and kept me healthy and allowed full recovery. We're all built different so use your body and experiment. I wanted to throw my two cents out there on a possible 'safe' yet effective way to cycle and enjoy the process along the way!