Shortest time off between cycles

[Peyot]

So you're scared of pinning? That's what I got from that.

Why say something derogatory? What are you scared of?

 

[Peyot]

U cant say ph are real cycles if u havent done a cycle of aas, me n my buddies felt the same way u do, then i did a cycle of test/dbol

Again, that's your opinion. I'll run AAS when I'm ready.

Thanks for your concern though.

 

[XYZ]

So Prohormones and Designer Steriods are useless and should never be run without a test base?

I'm sorry, but I both don't agree with that, and have proven that it isn't the case by running two oral-only cycles and gotten great results.

I'm also helping members at PHF day in and day out do the same.

We have a section for AAS there as well.

Thanks for your opinion.

How can you say that when you've never used an injectable? Are you just assuming or going off information others have told you?

My point is, you're saying that your gains are great while using just orals, but you have nothing else to compare it to. Correct? Your opinion of "great gains" could be 5 lbs in 3 months. Without knowing what both will do to the same user, it's impossible for you to say that seeing that you've never used injectables before.

If you just don't want to use injectables, that's your choice but you have no idea what I'm getting at in the first post I made without running a proper AAS cycle that includes injectables.

 

[Peyot]

How can you say that when you've never used an injectable? Are you just assuming or going off information others have told you?

My point is, you're saying that your gains are great while using just orals, but you have nothing else to compare it to. Correct? Your opinion of "great gains" could be 5 lbs in 3 months. Without knowing what both will do to the same user, it's impossible for you to say that seeing that you've never used injectables before.

If you just don't want to use injectables, that's your choice but you have no idea what I'm getting at in the first post I made without running a proper AAS cycle that includes injectables.

I know exactly what you're saying.

I've spoken to enough AAS users who have told me that oral-only cycles pale in comparison to injectable cycles.

Yes, you are correct. I am not ready to run an injectable cycle. When I am ready, I will enjoy the greater gains that they afford.

I'm an Ectomorph/hard gainer and gained 9 lbs off my first cycle. I kept them all through PCT. I did a clean bulk.

On my second cycle I did a lean bulk/recomp on Epi and gained another 4 lbs. I went up to 197 at 5'9" and yesterday weighed in at 194. I'll gain more weight before I start my next cycle.

I may pin Test E or C depending on some politics which I don't care to discuss at the moment. It may turn out to be Test Prop.

If I run Test this upcoming cycle, it will only be to combat lethargy from the M1A.

Thanks again.

 

[Peyot]

One of the most experienced members over at PHF has been running both oral and injectable cycles for 20+ years. He now only runs oral cycles due to legal issues.

He can compare both because he has the experience, and by me doing the research and having exposure to members with that type of experience, I can benefit.

If there was only one way to do things correctly, he and others like him would know and say that. They don't.

 

[BIGBEN2011]

what happens if you stay on cruise does that mean you have to stay on test at least the rest of your life or can you come off and run pct and recover or will you never recover?

bump

 

[XYZ]

One of the most experienced members over at PHF has been running both oral and injectable cycles for 20+ years. He now only runs oral cycles due to legal issues.

He can compare both because he has the experience, and by me doing the research and having exposure to members with that type of experience, I can benefit.

If there was only one way to do things correctly, he and others like him would know and say that. They don't.

That doesn't make them right or wrong, it's a few opinions. You can find 1,000 more that will tell you orals only are a poor choice. Does that make them correct?

If you've done your homework, you would understand WHY using orals only is not the best option, maybe you should continue to gather information from different sources?

Like I said from the very first post, orals are DESIGNED to enhance a cycle not to build one off of.

 

[Peyot]

That doesn't make them right or wrong, it's a few opinions. You can find 1,000 more that will tell you orals only are a poor choice. Does that make them correct?

If you've done your homework, you would understand WHY using orals only is not the best option, maybe you should continue to gather information from different sources?

Like I said from the very first post, orals are DESIGNED to enhance a cycle not to build one off of.

If you are doing injectables. If you are not doing injectables for whatever reason, there is a way to do oral-only cycles successfully.

A few members there ran Dbol-only cycles and proved that they are not only doable, but got good gains off of the cycles.

I'm not going to agree that unless you do injectables, you should not do orals. Members can benefit from oral-only cycles. I'm advising them and helping them every day and they are very satisfied.

 

[maged]

Cycle 1
Test E 300mg/week week 1-12
Deca 300mg/week week 1-12
then pct week 14-17

then i took 9 month off then

Cycle 2
Test C 400mg/week week 1-12
Equipoise 400mg/week week 1-12
then pct week 14-17

then i took 9 month off then
NOW i am on the 3rd cycle of
Sustanon 200mg eod week 1-16
Primobolan 600mg/week week 1-16

 

[XYZ]

If you are doing injectables. If you are not doing injectables for whatever reason, there is a way to do oral-only cycles successfully.

A few members there ran Dbol-only cycles and proved that they are not only doable, but got good gains off of the cycles.

I'm not going to agree that unless you do injectables, you should not do orals. Members can benefit from oral-only cycles. I'm advising them and helping them every day and they are very satisfied.

Well, then that seems to make sense for your defense of them.

 

[Peyot]

Well, then that seems to make sense for your defense of them.

The member who invited me here is Diety.

He and Owen Z both ran Dbol-only cycles over at PHF and ran good Logs. Check them out.

I have a detailed Log of my P-mag run, and did a Review of my Havoc/Stanodrol run. Please feel free to check them out if you're interested.

Thanks.

 

[XYZ]

I'm good, thanks for the information however.

 

[SloppyJ]

Why say something derogatory? What are you scared of?

Dark nights in the woods. Kitties. My BCAA caps busting and burping up the powder. Scary movies (See: The Ring)

But you know what's not on my list....pinning.

The member who invited me here is Diety.

He and Owen Z both ran Dbol-only cycles over at PHF and ran good Logs. Check them out.

You said you gained 4lbs off a PH cycle. I think I would have given up after that one. I'm not trying to knock you but you're coming on to an AAS board talking about PH's. A LOT of guys use them but most use them in a AAS cycle. And I'm not even going to start about running a dbol only cycle.

 

[Peyot]

Dark nights in the woods. Kitties. My BCAA caps busting and burping up the powder. Scary movies (See: The Ring)

But you know what's not on my list....pinning.







You said you gained 4lbs off a PH cycle. I think I would have given up after that one. I'm not trying to knock you but you're coming on to an AAS board talking about PH's. A LOT of guys use them but most use them in a AAS cycle. And I'm not even going to start about running a dbol only cycle.

You can give up anytime you want. On the other hand, a seasoned athlete doesn't have that phrase in his vocabulary.

The difference between the Forum I participate in and this one seems to be that folks like you are quite elitist and territorial, while we over there welcome fellow PH/DS/AAS users who are using whatever compound they choose wisely and safely.

Let me ask you a question: have you ever used Epistane? Or is my 4 lb gain off of Epistane something you're not familiar with? I said I did a lean bulk/recomp. Are you familiar with those terms?

 

[Peyot]

I'm good, thanks for the information however.

You're quite welcome.

Glad that you and I were able to have an intelligent discussion and probably agree to disagree on certain points, and perhaps agree on others.

 

[Peyot]

Last time I checked, the title of this area of the Forum is Anabolic Zone.

No where do I see it titled "AAS-Only."

If some members here choose to pounce on me because I contributed to a Thread and revealed my PH only use up to this point in my beginning career of steroid use, go right ahead.

I didn't come here to argue, but I'll stand up because I'm a stand-up guy

Edit: One of the Stickies in this forum is the OTC Prohormone/Steroid Chart

This Forum is clearly designated as an area to discuss PH usage.

 

[Peyot]

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You said you gained 4lbs off a PH cycle. I think I would have given up after that one. I'm not trying to knock you but you're coming on to an AAS board talking about PH's.

I took a look at your stats. Looks like you did your 1st cycle right about when I did mine: December of last year. Looks like your a beginner too. Hmmm ok, I got to the part where you say you Deadlift. What are your numbers? You have any videos? I want to know whos popin' off to me, so shoot.

Ok, I'll shoot up mine: I Deadlifted 441 and almost locked out 460 at a drug-tested meet 2 years ago that I have records of and videos to prove it. I was 183 lbs. at that meet. You're what? 200 lbs? ...

 

[Peyot]

what happens if you stay on cruise does that mean you have to stay on test at least the rest of your life or can you come off and run pct and recover or will you never recover?

One member I know of stayed on Anadrol 50 and other AAS for over 2 years. When he came off, his natural test production returned. He reported that this was many years ago before the advent of the Internet, and that no one even heard of the term PCT back then. In other words, he recovered without the use of a SERM.

While it is theoretically possible to suffer some sort of malady where your natural production will have difficulty making a return in a speedy fashion, this member reports that in over 20+ years of AAS use, never knowing any user to have permanent health damage of any kind from AAS use.

 

[Peyot]

I'm good, thanks for the information however.

Ok, I did a lil research and I see who you are. Nice to meet you (virtually), and thanks for the tips. I'll check out some of your Treads/Posts and learn a lot in the process I'm sure.

I thought you were the Powerlifter CT for a moment there haha.

 

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