Should Bonds get an Asterisk?

[Dale Mabry]

Forget you read what? That he corked his bat, prolly the least of the ways he attempted to cheat.

 

[min0 lee]

There is no proof.

 

[tucker01]

True enough.

Trying to get advantages over you competitors has been around baseball as long as can be remembered. Should Gaylord Perry with stricken from the hall for using spitballs? Or Ty Cobb for sharpening his spikes? Or Phil Neikro for using an emery board to scuff the ball?

 

[min0 lee]

It's just that he's about to break possibly the most treasured record in Baseball and that would be a crime in my eyes.
Same with the Maris record.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Didn't they make rules in basketball based on the fact that Wilt Chamberlain dominated? I think they even made the lane wider. How is it fair that people today are competing under tougher rules?

 

[min0 lee]

Didn't they make rules in basketball based on the fact that Wilt Chamberlain dominated? I think they even made the lane wider. How is it fair that people today are competing under tougher rules?

Not fair at all.

 

[tucker01]

Records are there to break if not what is the point of tracking them?

 

[min0 lee]

True but let it be done without cheating.

 

[tucker01]

Cheating has occured in every era. It seems to be a part of baseball.

And Steroids weren't cheating in baseball until just recently

 

[min0 lee]

Cheating has occured in every era. It seems to be a part of baseball.

And Steroids weren't cheating in baseball until just recently

No, technically it wasn't but it's obvious it's banned in Football and the Olympics so these ballplayers should know better.

 

[tucker01]

Players are going to take every rule to the limit to benefit there performance... and I see no problem with that. If I was a pro athelete, I would take advantage of every legal (by the rules of the governing sport) way to enhance my performance.

Who is at fault is MLB...for neglecting to address this, and even the recent applications are really just a slap on the wrist

 

[Dale Mabry]

No, technically it wasn't but it's obvious it's banned in Football and the Olympics so these ballplayers should know better.

Alot of stuff is banned in the olympics that isn't in other sports. Some over-the-counter cough medicines are. In a 160+ game season, someone is likely to get a cold. Do they suffer?

You aren't allowed to use your hands in soccer, should that rule be adopted for football and baseball as well?

 

[min0 lee]

Players are going to take every rule to the limit to benefit there performance... and I see no problem with that. If I was a pro athelete, I would take advantage of every legal (by the rules of the governing sport) way to enhance my performance.

Who is at fault is MLB...for neglecting to address this, and even the recent applications are really just a slap on the wrist

I agree, the Giant management had their a suspicions and knew Anderson was a shady character.

 

[min0 lee]

Alot of stuff is banned in the olympics that isn't in other sports. Some over-the-counter cough medicines are. In a 160+ game season, someone is likely to get a cold. Do they suffer?

You aren't allowed to use your hands in soccer, should that rule be adopted for football and baseball as well?

If they used their hands it would be basketball...you just love using your hands. Ghey

 

[Dale Mabry]

If they used their hands it would be basketball...you just love using your hands. Ghey

No, you can't use your feet in basketball, so it is Bizarro Basketball.

 

[min0 lee]

No, you can't use your feet in basketball, so it is Bizarro Basketball.

No, Soccer is just bizarre.

 

[section8]

No, Soccer is just bizarre.

anyways, if you give Bonds an asterisk, do you give Big Mac one also? He used Andro, and like Barry at the time there was no policy in place, but it is now an illegal performance enhancing substance. Just a thought. I don't like Bonds and have always thought he was a prick, but take nothing away from him, even before the roid years he was still a damn great hitter and one of the best I have seen. Like you said earlier if he was a nice guy and media friendly we wouldn't even be talking about this. I think that it is sad that he will be remembered most for the use of roids than his skills.

 

[mattd46612]

Its all bullshit if it was all the gear then Jose Canseco would have 1000 home runs. No its still 90% talent, the guy can flat out hit the ball.

 

[min0 lee]

Jose Canseco

 

[tucker01]

Its all bullshit if it was all the gear then Jose Canseco would have 1000 home runs. No its still 90% talent, the guy can flat out hit the ball.

douche bad say what? Think a little before you post. Here is some food for thought

No they won't you are right

Bonds already had an exceptional eye at the plate. Howvever the increased bat speed will make a huge difference. Now instead of not being able to get the bat around fast enough to fight off the inside pitch, Bonds can can get the meat of the bat around to make solid contact.

All those Deep fly balls now become Homruns from the increased BAt speed. Strike outs where he couldn't get the bat around now have the possibilty of being hits. There are so many scenarios of improvements to situations from improved bat speed, I could go on and on.

No one is arguing that he doesn't have a great eye at the plate and there is no doubt that steroids don't enhance that, but they are allowing him to take better advantage of his abilites.

 

[JOHNYORK]

Bonds already had an exceptional eye at the plate. Howvever the increased bat speed will make a huge difference. Now instead of not being able to get the bat around fast enough to fight off the inside pitch, Bonds can can get the meat of the bat around to make solid contact.

All those Deep fly balls now become Homruns from the increased BAt speed. Strike outs where he couldn't get the bat around now have the possibilty of being hits. There are so many scenarios of improvements to situations from improved bat speed, I could go on and on.

No one is arguing that he doesn't have a great eye at the plate and there is no doubt that steroids don't enhance that, but they are allowing him to take better advantage of his abilites.


agreed

 

[JordanMang]

Bonds already had an exceptional eye at the plate. Howvever the increased bat speed will make a huge difference. Now instead of not being able to get the bat around fast enough to fight off the inside pitch, Bonds can can get the meat of the bat around to make solid contact.

All those Deep fly balls now become Homruns from the increased BAt speed. Strike outs where he couldn't get the bat around now have the possibilty of being hits. There are so many scenarios of improvements to situations from improved bat speed, I could go on and on.

No one is arguing that he doesn't have a great eye at the plate and there is no doubt that steroids don't enhance that, but they are allowing him to take better advantage of his abilites.


agreed

Have you taken into consideration that maybe he's just leveling the playing field? I could careless if the batter is using roids when the 9 guys he's trying to overcome are as well ( including the guy throwing the ball to him ). I mean - if "so many other guys" in the league are juicing then no he shouldn't be getting an asterik because other players aren't playing handicapped.

 

[bio-chem]

Bonds already had an exceptional eye at the plate. Howvever the increased bat speed will make a huge difference. Now instead of not being able to get the bat around fast enough to fight off the inside pitch, Bonds can can get the meat of the bat around to make solid contact.

All those Deep fly balls now become Homruns from the increased BAt speed. Strike outs where he couldn't get the bat around now have the possibilty of being hits. There are so many scenarios of improvements to situations from improved bat speed, I could go on and on.

No one is arguing that he doesn't have a great eye at the plate and there is no doubt that steroids don't enhance that, but they are allowing him to take better advantage of his abilites.


agreed

bat speed is an interesting arguement, but then how do you explain mark mcguires 49 home runs his rookie year or ken griffey jr's 500 plus home runs neither was in mcguire's case or jr's his whole carreer were big men with tremendous bat speed.

 

[busyLivin]

I didn't read the whole thread, but Bonds shouldn't have an asterik, he should be stricken from the record books & banned from baseball.

 

[bio-chem]

I didn't read the whole thread, but Bonds shouldn't have an asterik, he should be stricken from the record books & banned from baseball.

without ever testing positive for a substance that wasnt illegal in the sport till 2002? seems a little harsh. especially when a lot of hall of fame ball players have admitted to doing worse stuff

 

[GFR]

I didn't read the whole thread, but Bonds shouldn't have an asterik, he should be stricken from the record books & banned from baseball.

It is naive to think many of his peers were not also using banned drugs, steroids and other drugs have been in most sports since the 70's......and who cares.

 

[busyLivin]

it's just an insult to all the natural greats who did it through hard work & talent. Should Bonds' name really be above Babe Ruth's?

& I think all players who cheat should be banned, not just Bonds.

 

[min0 lee]

Your posts deserve an asterik also since you also a user.
Cheater.

 

[BigDyl]

Your posts deserve an asterik also since you also a user.
Cheater.

True Story.

 

[BigDyl]

It is naive to think many of his peers were not also using banned drugs, steroids and other drugs have been in most sports since the 70's......and who cares.