Should Stanley "Tookie" Williams Be Granted Clemency?

[Tier]

not the crime necessarily, just the crime that gets you in jail

 

[dougnukem]

Ah, but the legal system is racist too, didn't you know? Hey, guess what? Us military are racist as well, I here we only try to recruit poor black males in the ages of 16-25. Racism is a cop-out in any discussion.
True Story

 

[dougnukem]

My vote for him getting it has nothing to do with his race, but instead with his crime. I feel there should be an express lane for those on death row. Why waste all these taxpayers' dollars on someone who has been sentenced to die? They could use this money for the people who have been unfortunate in life and live impoverished and poor, not by choice.

 

[lnvanry]

not the crime necessarily, just the crime that gets you in jail

They very few black people know the ins and outs of the legal system and are able to afford the "justice" at the same time...Cochrane was an exception to this trend.

 

[min0 lee]

This should not be a black or white issue.

 

[dougnukem]

Exactly!

 

[Nate K]

I believe he should not be killed. It comes down to your view on the death sentence in general. Some people want the "evil-doers"(Pres. Bush) to die because of what they did. Kill em....hes a bad man, kill em, screw tha kids books, kill em.
Some people believe in not killing people, regardless of what they did.
Good thing I live in Texas, the mecca of the death penalty.

 

[BigDyl]

I wonder what these kids books are like...


"Once upon a time there were three little pigs...

The three pigs were just doing there job.

but they made a big mistake,

when they tried to pin some shit on me I didn't do...

SO I PULLED OUT THE MAC 10 AND MADE EM' SQUEAL!"

 

[dougnukem]

"See Dick and Jane.
See Dick is Jane's pimp.
Jane is a crack-whore working her debt to Dick off on the street.
Jane doesn't really like Dick, but she is addicted to what Dick gives her.
Dick is not nice to Jane.
He only gives her what she wants when he wasnt to give it to her.
Jane meets Peter.
Jane likes Peter.
Peter likes Jane.
Peter doesn't like Dick so he puts a cap in his a**.
Now Peter and Jane can be together forever.
The End

 

[Diakonos]

I like how you misslead people with improper facts....or as I like to call it lies....

So you have 12% of the population committing 65.4% of the crime.....

At the end of 2004, the Justice Department had 1,390 Blacks on death row (compared to 1,851 Whites). While sixteen of the inmates are black women, black males are six (6%) percent of the nation's population but are 42% of the nation's death row inmates.

http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=1514

Although African Americans make up 12% of the population, they account for 42% of current death row inmates

http://www.ncadp.org/fact_sheet2.html

In Maryland, Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend has called for a moratorium on executions. Although 28 percent population of Maryland's population is black, blacks comprise 70 percent of the state's death-row population. In Texas, the ratio is even more disproportionate -- 11.5 percent of the state's population is black, yet blacks make up 42 percent of the death row population.

http://www.coadp.org/thepublications/pub-2002-5-Texas.html

The number of white inmates on death row (45%) slightly exceeds the number of black inmates (42%), but these numbers are way out of proportion with the population. The issue is not who commits more crime. A study in Philadelphia showed that when black and white defendants were convicted of comparable crimes, black defendants were 38% more likely to receive the death penalty.

http://progressivewritersbloc.com/DC/DeathPenalty.htm

 

[GFR]

http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=1514

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http://www.ncadp.org/fact_sheet2.html


http://www.coadp.org/thepublications/pub-2002-5-Texas.html


http://progressivewritersbloc.com/DC/DeathPenalty.htm

Your stats prove that the system is racist against whites when it comes to capital punishment.

At the end of 2004, the Justice Department had 1,390 Blacks on death row (compared to 1,851 Whites). While sixteen of the inmates are black women, black males are six (6%) percent of the nation's population but are 42% of the nation's death row inmates.

You have more whites on death row.....and twice as many blacks in prison yet they are killing the whites more than 3x as much.........the system is anti white!!!

 

[min0 lee]

This should not be a black or white issue.

 

[dougnukem]

So...we should be more sympathetic to prisoners because there are more black prisoners per black citizens as opposed to white prisoners per white citizens?
Like I said, kill 'em all. Black, white, whatever, if they are on Death Row, lets take care of business. I mean this is a society that expects everything now, and can't wait or have the patience to wait, right? Look how many people expect immediate results in Iraq, perfect example. So I say, give them what they want, express lane Death Row. Texas is looking to go that route, who better to kick things off?

 

[min0 lee]

The human race needs an enema!

 

[dougnukem]

An M&M?

 

[BigDyl]

"...and the wolf said "I'll huff and puff and smoke this joint out..."

The three pigs weren't about to let the wolf smoke there last ounce, so they cocked their desert eagles..."

 

[dougnukem]

Desert Eagles? Do you know the street value of those? Much too expensive for your typical street pigs. Maybe some glocks.

 

[Nate K]

So...we should be more sympathetic to prisoners because there are more black prisoners per black citizens as opposed to white prisoners per white citizens?
Like I said, kill 'em all. Black, white, whatever, if they are on Death Row, lets take care of business. I mean this is a society that expects everything now, and can't wait or have the patience to wait, right? Look how many people expect immediate results in Iraq, perfect example. So I say, give them what they want, express lane Death Row. Texas is looking to go that route, who better to kick things off?

"Thoughts of dougnukem"
Yeah, kill em all. I wish they still did the electric shockey thing. They get away to easy with the shots. Then we won't have to spend money on jails and bad people. Then everything will be perfect because all the bad people will be gone, damn darkies. They will all burn in hell , unlike us good people that don't kill. Like I said KILL EM ALL. Yeah.....then I'll be just like duke nukem.

SOrry.....I got a little carried away

 

[Nate K]

Alright....no disrespect.
It's just that your previous statement disturbed me. I guess we just have different views on how we should try and "save some tax dollars to put towards Helping the part of society that Needs it."

 

[god hand]

On top of all that, it???s just cruel and unusual punishment.

O rly? You must havent read about the history of punishment for crimes.


When was the last time u heard about someone getting the Brazen Bull?

 

[dougnukem]

It's okay. My statement was in response to all the comments about our government being racist. I just feel that w, as a society, spend to much time,money, and effort on these people when it could be used in other places of society. There are people out there who, want and need help, and something should be done about it. Some think that we waste our money on war, but I've seen what we're doing over here, and believe me, it's a good thing. I would post pics, but due to OPSEC, I cannot.

 

[GFR]

It's okay. My statement was in response to all the comments about our government being racist. I just feel that w, as a society, spend to much time,money, and effort on these people when it could be used in other places of society. There are people out there who, want and need help, and something should be done about it. Some think that we waste our money on war, but I've seen what we're doing over here, and believe me, it's a good thing. I would post pics, but due to OPSEC, I cannot.

 

[dougnukem]

I know, I know. Gotta follow the rules, man. Or else, I'd be one of those prisoners we've been talking about.

 

[BigDyl]

I know, I know. Gotta follow the rules, man. Or else, I'd be one of those prisoners we've been talking about.

Considering you're being monitored 24/7 on the net, you can't even voice your "real" opinion anyways...

 

[dougnukem]

Considering you're being monitored 24/7 on the net, you can't even voice your "real" opinion anyways...

That doesn't worry me. Believe me, I've had my fair share of reprimands for "voicing" my opinions. There's a reason I'm still an E-5 after almost 10 years.

 

[Big Smoothy]

Hang the loser.

And a lot of other scum, too.

 

[ALBOB]

Since then, Williams has turned his life around. He has written nine children's books and speaking out against gang violence and, he has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize each year since 2001.

All this while still running the Crips from inside the Big House. Yeah, he's really turned his life around.


(Truth in advertising: This is not a proven fact, but is widely reported as being more truth than fiction. The children's books are a PR stunt to cover his still active gang affiliation.)

 

[Diakonos]

O rly? You must havent read about the history of punishment for crimes.


When was the last time u heard about someone getting the Brazen Bull?

The Brazen What?

Care to elaborate?

 

[P-funk]

Here is my take on it.

First of all, I am completely against the death penalty for a couple of reasons; the first one being that the death penalty is racist. African Americans make of 12% of the population, yet 42% of death row inmates. Secondly, the death penalty does not deter crime. It does however punish the poor, and in some cases condemn the innocent to die. On top of all that, it???s just cruel and unusual punishment.

I???m not saying that Tookie Williams is guiltless. I???m not even saying that he shouldn???t be punished for the crimes he committed (and by the way, his LIFE sentence with no chance for parole seems like punishment to me). But this is the bottom line. Killing Stanley Williams isn???t going to bring the people he murdered back to life. But keeping him alive may allow him the opportunity to continue steer inner city youth away from gang violence. It???s a problem, I might add, that he helped to create. So it only seems fitting that he spends the rest of his life trying to eradicate gang violence. He can???t do that from a grave.

Just my opinion.

How is it racist? They commited the crime. I don't see what that has to do with anything. Black, white, yellow, green, if you commit the crime you pay for it. If more black people commit crimes that are worthy of the death penalty then any other race that is their fucking problem.

Just my opinion.


As far as Stanley Williams goes, I agree with MonkeyMan, fuck him! He did it and while killing him wont bring those that he murdered back he still deserves to pay with his life. The guy is a piece of shit scum bag and deserves what he gets.

 

[ALBOB]

As far as Stanley Williams goes, I agree with MonkeyMan, fuck him! He did it and while killing him wont bring those that he murdered back he still deserves to pay with his life. The guy is a piece of shit scum bag and deserves what he gets.

Damn dude, you gotta learn how to tell us how you REALLY feel. Quit sugar coating things.