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Apologies if this should have gone into an existing thread, but i've had a read and couldn't find anything overly similar to the problem I am having.

Basically a couple of months ago I was doing shoulder press and felt a painful twinge.

I found afterwards that bench press, shoulder press and boxing caused me discomfort.

I decided to have a 6 week break from all weight training and just concentrated on cardio.

After 6 weeks off I have recently returned to the weights to find that I am ok boxing but shoulder press and bench press are still causing some discomfort, although not as bad as it was before.

With both shoulder press and bench press there is no pain until the bar reaches a couple of inches above my chest, and with shoulder press the pain only appears once i've lowered the bar just past the top of my head.

The pain itself is right at the top of my arm, approximately 1 inch underneath where the curve of my shoulder starts.

I was wondering if anyone has had anything similar or could offer any advice on what I should do now?

I don't really want to take any more time off weights if I can help it, but am happy to adjust my routine to avoid these exercises if thats what its going to take.

Or is it something I should be more concerned about and get it checked out by a doctor?

thanks in advance
 
It sounds like a joint/RC problem.

When you lower your arms past parallel in both bench & shoulder press alot of stress is put on your joint. As for boxing, impact from your arm gets channeled primarily to your shoulder joint.

If I were you I would not continue doing any pressing movements until the pain was almost completely gone. It sounds like it's improving. If you are going to do pressing movements even if you know you shouldn't, then significantly lower the weight and go with higher reps and dont lower your arms lower than parallel with your shoulder plane. I would also do some RC exercises to strengthen it but with light weights - you should only feel a muscular burn, no stresses on the joint and reps must be perfect.

For future reference warmup and cooldown after all exercises involving the shoulders, if nothing else, and stretch them.

Look into glucosamine as a supplement.

However wait for a moderator to agree/disagree with what I'm saying I aint no expert I could be wrong.
 
Rest is good to stop the inflammation and insult to the tissue.

However, you need to determine what limiting factors you have with regard to movement. While rest may get you out of pain, your issues will (as you have seen) show themself when you start to ramp it back up again. The shoulder needs stability at the scapula and mobility at the thoracic spine in order for it to operate correctly. You need to some how determine what the issue is and correct that, so that it can do its job better.

patrick
 
For me, the best thing for you to do is to go and consult a doctor. You have got nothing to lose when you do that, right? And also, since you are still suffering from that, avoid stressful movements to avoid the pain aggravation.

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shoulder help

If you are not experiencing severe pain, and you did mention after several weeks it had gotten better to some degree, chances are good that it is not a major injury... although it can quickly turn into one without care.

I feel, from what you've already mentioned, that really good supplementation with Glucosamine, Chondroiton and MSM can help heal the injured area more quickly... and plenty of total rest for the affected area would be in order too with no stresses on the area at all, plus drinking plenty of fresh water all the time helps as well.

Remember, the more you use the injured area, the more you aggravate it... plain and simple. And it does not take a rocket scientist to see that is not a good idea.

I have much experience with joint problems with trainees, and have had some myself over the years. I have a great supplement that supplies meaningful quantities of all 3 ingredients that will heal (grow new cartilage) and lubricate the joints. I use it all the time these days just for good protection from injury.

I've had a shoulder injury that was a result of waking up one winter morning to go outside with my young son in the fresh snow. It was cold, I was straight out of bed (stiff) and started throwing snowballs over a large 3-bay, 2-story garage with my boy... soon I had injured my shoulder and the pain was there for over 2 years. The only thing that really helped was to take this supplement I am using... and after weeks we started feeling relief. I say WE because my wife had a knee problem at the same time, and it helped her as well. So, in closing, I feel you need a GOOD supplement to help. If you need a recommendation feel free to PM me, but in any event... I think this would help you greatly, plus to drink lots of water and rest the affected area.
 
I've not yet read anything that suggests cartilage can be regrown - outside of injections of HGH directly into the joint capsule (and even that one is still up for debate).

How did you determine that your supplement performs this task?
 
a little help

Hello Built,

I'm surprised that you have not heard of this. I have done extensive research personally on this as well as many supplement-related topics as this is what I do for a living. So to give just a tad of quick info for you, I have quickly grabbed a few excerpts from a few leading websites on the subject... hope this clarifies a bit for you...

What is Glucosamine?
Glucosamine is a nutritional supplement that can stimulate specific components of your cartilage to thrive and reproduce.

How Does Glucosamine Sulfate Work?
Glucosamine Sulfate works by stimulating the production of a very important structure in your cartilage called the Glycosamine Glycans ( GAG). Your GAG acts as a nutrient base for the growth of your cartilage. Stimulating this complex will increase the production of your cartilage over time. This healing process is what reduces your pain.

Glucosamine has been used to treat osteoarthritis and helps stimulates cartilage cells to synthesize glycosaminoglycans and proteoglycans. In studies oral glucosamine sulfate has had a beneficial effect on inflammation and mechanical arthritis.

Glucosamine Claims

Protect cartilage against damage from weight-bearing exercise
Slows cartilage breakdown
Stimulates cartilage growth
Cures arthritis

Research Shows

Glucosamine plays a role in maintenance and repair of cartilage
Glucosamine stimulates cartilage cells to synthesize cartilage building blocks
Glucosamine may have an anti-inflammatory action by interfering with cartilage breakdown

Glucosamine is a standard therapy in Europe, however, the U.S. suppliers are not regulated, so finding a trustworthy manufacturer can be difficult.

Synergistic effect of Glucosamine & Chondroitin

The best way to determine if a substance improves the condition of joints is to actually look at the joint tissue under a microscope after treatment. This is exactly the kind of study Dr. Louis Lippiello, M.D. presented at the 63rd annual meeting of the American College of Rheumatology in Boston in 1999. The study was published in 2000 in the Clinical Orthopedics journal.2 Other studies report the clinical effects of the use of Glucosamine and Chondroitin in human patients.1

Since most people would not take kindly to having biopsies of cartilage removed from their already delicate joints, the researchers used rabbits. Thirty-six rabbits were split into four groups: one group was fed Glucosamine, one group Chondroitin, and one group Glucosamine and Chondroitin in addition to their regular rabbit feed. The fourth group was essentially getting a placebo (just the normal food). The rabbits were not told which were getting supplementation. All the rabbits underwent a standard surgical procedure to accelerate the progression of osteoarthritis in the rabbits’ back legs.

After 16 weeks, biopsies of the cartilage were examined and graded using a standard system. As expected, the Glucosamine and Chondroitin groups had less severe cartilage damage than the control groups with the following grades:

16.6 for controls,
12.2 for Glucosamine
11.0 for Chondroitin
4.4 for combination Glucosamine + Chondroitin
The major news comes from the combination group. Rabbits fed both Glucosamine and Chondroitin had, by far, the least signs of cartilage damage of any of the groups. This value, despite the small number of rabbits per group, was statistically significant.

In addition to the histologic (microscopic) grading of the cartilage, Dr. Lippiello and his colleagues also measured how well the supplements alone and in combination could stimulate production of cartilage components (called Glycosaminoglycans or GAGs).

0 for controls
32% increase for Glucosamine alone
32% increase for Chondroitin alone
96.6% increase for combination Glucosamine + Chondroitin
Compared to control, Glucosamine increased GAG production by 32%, Chondroitin by 32%, but the combination of Glucosamine + Chondroitin increased cartilage production by 97%! The combination of Glucosamine + Chondroitin had a significant synergistic effect.2



MSM

MSM (Methyl Sulfonyl Methane) is a biological form of sulfur that has recently attracted a great deal of attention. In particular, MSM has generated broad anecdotal support for its benefits in cases of allergies, and joint health.

In the case of joint aging or joint and ligament injuries, MSM may work through several different mechanisms. For instance, it was discovered in the 1930's that arthritis can cause below normal levels of cystine (a metabolite of cysteine) in the fingernails. This can lead to brittle or soft nails and can be an indication of either inadequate sulfur in the diet or a poor ability to manipulate dietary sulfur to match the body's needs. Interestingly, when sulfur was given to 100 arthritis patients intravenously in one trial, many found that the pain and other symptoms of their arthritis disappeared and that their fingernails returned to normal in the nail test for cystine.

Sulfur is required for the repair and maintenance of joint tissues and the construction of connective tissues more generally. Sulfur is especially important for the body's production of Chondroitin sulfate, which acts to maintain the proper water levels, and therefore the cushioning properties of cartilage in joint tissue.

Supplementing with MSM ensures that the body has adequate amounts of sulfur. Recently, a small preliminary double-blind placebo-controlled study at UCLA showed that supplementation with MSM improved joint pain in 80% of the participants tested.


I could get more and more information on this, but I think this should suffice.

These articles were quickly grabbed from a few sources, but I have done research and studies off and on over many years myself on this subject to formulate my companies own joint supplement which is why I make mention of what I used... my companies supplement works quite well compared to most.

I've been in the business of sports supplements for about 30 yrs, and i own Muscle Fitness Nutrition (a new forum sponsor found in the "Sponsor Forums" section of this site), so I hope (by now) that I know a bit of what I am talking about.

I hope this helps clarify the importance of these supplements, and to the fact that getting "quality" supplements is crucial.
 
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Thanks but I don't read advertising copy. I would like to see evidence that glucosamine re-grew damaged cartilage in humans.

Got a peer-reviewed article for me?
 
The article was taken from a clinical research.

... do some research.

... unbelievable.
 
The article was taken from a clinical research.

... do some research.

... unbelievable.

great, then you should have no problem posting a link to it, right?

You know what? Never mind. I don't buy proprietary blend "magic beans" with unlisted ingredients, I don't do business with charlatans, and I don't buy from people who insult my intelligence, especially when they don't even bother to notice that I'm female before they start giving ME the gears about "doing some research"!

Prince, I'll stick with your product line. You list your ingredients and I don't recall you insulting me for asking a reasonable question.
 
This just in by PM....

Steel Force said:
You only wish you had a clue... you life-time loser!

I can only wish that the rest of the REAL world will not listen to a so-called girl that looks like a guy... and an UGLY one at that!

What makes you think that anyone REALLY values anything that you you have to say... or your lowly opinion... you minion.

Do the the rest the rest of the world a favor...

.... drop dead!

I just felt like sharing the love.
 
I think that PM of his qualifies for a ban....as always mods know the best.

With just 19 posts & not backing his claims with source he thinks he know it all.....what a loser.
 
Hello Built,

I'm surprised that you have not heard of this. I have done extensive research personally on this as well as many supplement-related topics as this is what I do for a living. So to give just a tad of quick info for you, I have quickly grabbed a few excerpts from a few leading websites on the subject... hope this clarifies a bit for you...

What is Glucosamine?
Glucosamine is a nutritional supplement that can stimulate specific components of your cartilage to thrive and reproduce.

How Does Glucosamine Sulfate Work?
Glucosamine Sulfate works by stimulating the production of a very important structure in your cartilage called the Glycosamine Glycans ( GAG). Your GAG acts as a nutrient base for the growth of your cartilage. Stimulating this complex will increase the production of your cartilage over time. This healing process is what reduces your pain.

Glucosamine has been used to treat osteoarthritis and helps stimulates cartilage cells to synthesize glycosaminoglycans and proteoglycans. In studies oral glucosamine sulfate has had a beneficial effect on inflammation and mechanical arthritis.

Glucosamine Claims

Protect cartilage against damage from weight-bearing exercise
Slows cartilage breakdown
Stimulates cartilage growth
Cures arthritis

Research Shows

Glucosamine plays a role in maintenance and repair of cartilage
Glucosamine stimulates cartilage cells to synthesize cartilage building blocks
Glucosamine may have an anti-inflammatory action by interfering with cartilage breakdown

Glucosamine is a standard therapy in Europe, however, the U.S. suppliers are not regulated, so finding a trustworthy manufacturer can be difficult.

Synergistic effect of Glucosamine & Chondroitin

The best way to determine if a substance improves the condition of joints is to actually look at the joint tissue under a microscope after treatment. This is exactly the kind of study Dr. Louis Lippiello, M.D. presented at the 63rd annual meeting of the American College of Rheumatology in Boston in 1999. The study was published in 2000 in the Clinical Orthopedics journal.2 Other studies report the clinical effects of the use of Glucosamine and Chondroitin in human patients.1

Since most people would not take kindly to having biopsies of cartilage removed from their already delicate joints, the researchers used rabbits. Thirty-six rabbits were split into four groups: one group was fed Glucosamine, one group Chondroitin, and one group Glucosamine and Chondroitin in addition to their regular rabbit feed. The fourth group was essentially getting a placebo (just the normal food). The rabbits were not told which were getting supplementation. All the rabbits underwent a standard surgical procedure to accelerate the progression of osteoarthritis in the rabbits??? back legs.

After 16 weeks, biopsies of the cartilage were examined and graded using a standard system. As expected, the Glucosamine and Chondroitin groups had less severe cartilage damage than the control groups with the following grades:

16.6 for controls,
12.2 for Glucosamine
11.0 for Chondroitin
4.4 for combination Glucosamine + Chondroitin
The major news comes from the combination group. Rabbits fed both Glucosamine and Chondroitin had, by far, the least signs of cartilage damage of any of the groups. This value, despite the small number of rabbits per group, was statistically significant.

In addition to the histologic (microscopic) grading of the cartilage, Dr. Lippiello and his colleagues also measured how well the supplements alone and in combination could stimulate production of cartilage components (called Glycosaminoglycans or GAGs).

0 for controls
32% increase for Glucosamine alone
32% increase for Chondroitin alone
96.6% increase for combination Glucosamine + Chondroitin
Compared to control, Glucosamine increased GAG production by 32%, Chondroitin by 32%, but the combination of Glucosamine + Chondroitin increased cartilage production by 97%! The combination of Glucosamine + Chondroitin had a significant synergistic effect.2



MSM

MSM (Methyl Sulfonyl Methane) is a biological form of sulfur that has recently attracted a great deal of attention. In particular, MSM has generated broad anecdotal support for its benefits in cases of allergies, and joint health.

In the case of joint aging or joint and ligament injuries, MSM may work through several different mechanisms. For instance, it was discovered in the 1930's that arthritis can cause below normal levels of cystine (a metabolite of cysteine) in the fingernails. This can lead to brittle or soft nails and can be an indication of either inadequate sulfur in the diet or a poor ability to manipulate dietary sulfur to match the body's needs. Interestingly, when sulfur was given to 100 arthritis patients intravenously in one trial, many found that the pain and other symptoms of their arthritis disappeared and that their fingernails returned to normal in the nail test for cystine.

Sulfur is required for the repair and maintenance of joint tissues and the construction of connective tissues more generally. Sulfur is especially important for the body's production of Chondroitin sulfate, which acts to maintain the proper water levels, and therefore the cushioning properties of cartilage in joint tissue.

Supplementing with MSM ensures that the body has adequate amounts of sulfur. Recently, a small preliminary double-blind placebo-controlled study at UCLA showed that supplementation with MSM improved joint pain in 80% of the participants tested.

I could get more and more information on this, but I think this should suffice.

These articles were quickly grabbed from a few sources, but I have done research and studies off and on over many years myself on this subject to formulate my companies own joint supplement which is why I make mention of what I used... my companies supplement works quite well compared to most.

I've been in the business of sports supplements for about 30 yrs, and i own Muscle Fitness Nutrition (a new forum sponsor found in the "Sponsor Forums" section of this site), so I hope (by now) that I know a bit of what I am talking about.

I hope this helps clarify the importance of these supplements, and to the fact that getting "quality" supplements is crucial.

I'm interested in your company. Will you sponsor me for reviews of you products? I am 6', 280lbs with a 600SQ, 405BE and 640DL

I'm looking to get to a 700SQ, 450BE and 750DL by the end of next year. Can your products make this happen?

Thanks!!
 
I'm interested in your company. Will you sponsor me for reviews of you products? I am 6', 280lbs with a 600SQ, 405BE and 640DL

I'm looking to get to a 700SQ, 450BE and 750DL by the end of next year. Can your products make this happen?

Thanks!!

Me too. I have similar numbers and goals.
 
Finally, we can get some LBM added to our scronny frames..

I thought I'd be annorexic forever.
 
OH - MY - GOD!!! I freaking LOVE you guys!
 
I think that PM of his qualifies for a ban....as always mods know the best.

With just 19 posts & not backing his claims with source he thinks he know it all.....what a loser.

that about sums it up! :thumb:
 
you can't ban him, I'll lose my new sponsor and the chance to be Mr. Olympia by using his products.

:(
 
Oooh, that's right. Dammit. It's seriously The Only Way, too. Maybe join SF's website and get some of that free personal training he's offering. I'm sure you won't need to buy his line of proprietary magic beans like they did on T-nation; naw, that would be slimy.
 
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