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This is a troll bashing thread. Please stick to the topic!!
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Hopefully we will get bottles before the 19th, but no promises.
Hopefully we will get bottles before the 19th, but no promises.
Deception
i am glad that ppl here on this board have a sense of humor. And that most are upfront about their affiliations. and can joke and laugh at what is harmless fun.
what will be an issue for some of the members is the abject sense of betrayal caused by this babsie person. Ever see the movie Deceived? This is what happened in this case. a person made strong emotional ties based upon certain assumed truths that were in fact absolute lies. and it was clearly a way one street in which the liar had eveything to gain while the other partner lost everything.
there may be a few people on this board that are NOT handling the exposure of Babsie as well as the rest of us. These members may have gotten close to her, thru her endless posts of her illness and personal distress. These members may have fallen for her lies and have been sucked in so deeply and for so long that they even now refuse to believe it. There are still those who believe that O.J. is out looking for the real killers...
Then there are those who may feel incredible anger at her and at themselves for falling for it. Most people don't have a good defense system for charlatans and frauds. They may now feel foolish and despair. It is like being in what appears to be a sincere monogamous relationship only to discover that after 20 years, your spouse is actually married to 2 other people. Or in this case, since Babsie's sex is not certain, that your husband is in fact a woman.
ON another level, it may feel like your best friend just betrayed you; stabbing you in the back. Babsie was extremely emotionally manipulative in her actions. Most of these narcissistic people come back to those they hurt by writing a letter saying that they didn't mean it, or not to believe anyone who points out the truth. People who got sucked in by her ( it seems that several female members were close to her at least on this board anyway) may feel somewhat diminished by the interaction. that's a tough burden to carry; to know that a trusted person manipulated you for their own personal gain, never once caring for your own emotional fulfillment. used, chewed and barbequed. and then tossed out like trash.
i am glad that ppl here on this board have a sense of humor. And that most are upfront about their affiliations. and can joke and laugh at what is harmless fun.
what will be an issue for some of the members is the abject sense of betrayal caused by this babsie person. Ever see the movie Deceived? This is what happened in this case. a person made strong emotional ties based upon certain assumed truths that were in fact absolute lies. and it was clearly a way one street in which the liar had eveything to gain while the other partner lost everything.
there may be a few people on this board that are NOT handling the exposure of Babsie as well as the rest of us. These members may have gotten close to her, thru her endless posts of her illness and personal distress. These members may have fallen for her lies and have been sucked in so deeply and for so long that they even now refuse to believe it. There are still those who believe that O.J. is out looking for the real killers...
Then there are those who may feel incredible anger at her and at themselves for falling for it. Most people don't have a good defense system for charlatans and frauds. They may now feel foolish and despair. It is like being in what appears to be a sincere monogamous relationship only to discover that after 20 years, your spouse is actually married to 2 other people. Or in this case, since Babsie's sex is not certain, that your husband is in fact a woman.
ON another level, it may feel like your best friend just betrayed you; stabbing you in the back. Babsie was extremely emotionally manipulative in her actions. Most of these narcissistic people come back to those they hurt by writing a letter saying that they didn't mean it, or not to believe anyone who points out the truth. People who got sucked in by her ( it seems that several female members were close to her at least on this board anyway) may feel somewhat diminished by the interaction. that's a tough burden to carry; to know that a trusted person manipulated you for their own personal gain, never once caring for your own emotional fulfillment. used, chewed and barbequed. and then tossed out like trash.
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Or you can just say "Ah well, you win some you loose some" and dont let it get to you 
I think it'll do more harm by bringing it up again and again than just letting people deal with it and get over it.
I think it'll do more harm by bringing it up again and again than just letting people deal with it and get over it.
this thread
Babsie WAS the impetus behind starting this thread when i did it.. it had nothing to do with go pro or any of the lightweight small time shilling going on. i can handle that. like the goof now trying to get us to go to the website about the heat shit. that is just so stupid as to be beyond mention. what babsie did was more pernicious and simply evil. to me what she was attempting and in many cases accomplishing was an extrreme act of treachery.
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I do not consider gopro lightweight in anything. i made the clear distinction there so there is no misunderstanding.
Babsie WAS the impetus behind starting this thread when i did it.. it had nothing to do with go pro or any of the lightweight small time shilling going on. i can handle that. like the goof now trying to get us to go to the website about the heat shit. that is just so stupid as to be beyond mention. what babsie did was more pernicious and simply evil. to me what she was attempting and in many cases accomplishing was an extrreme act of treachery.
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I do not consider gopro lightweight in anything.
i made the clear distinction there so there is no misunderstanding.
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Originally posted by Eggs
Or you can just say "Ah well, you win some you loose some" and dont let it get to you
I think it'll do more harm by bringing it up again and again than just letting people deal with it and get over it.
you may be of the opinion that history is not worth studying. I am not of that opinion. it would be great to forget our past travails and be peace-loving and assuming the best of everyone. however, not every one that we meet holds the same set of values and once our guard is down, they over take us for our kindness.
i am not talking about grief counseling for these people as recent psych studies have indeed shown that for the majority of people, the endless analysis of how something affects you creates more distress than the actual event.
Babsie has not negatively affected me in any way. i bring up that fact that others may not be accustommed to dealing with psychos and in fact became closer to her ( on the board ) than you did.
the kernel of truth to take from this, and the lessons to be learned is that of experience; now that you have seen how people manipulate others, and of how your can be manipulated by others, you can better prepare yourself for it in the future.
People like Babsie, unlike overly aggressive blowhards, LEARN from their experience as well. they sharpen their skills at deception and move on to other sources of prey. That is the amazing thing about people such as 'whatever she is"; although they seem to lack cognition of some of the most basic emotions as expressed by others, they are hyper attuned to their own. It's beyond self-centeredness.
I see her as nothing less than a predator.
Eggs, you have moved on. YOurs was not a particularly deep or meaningful interaction or relationship with Babsie. Others, for whom this site became like a home, had a different experience.
Like myself you are not hampered by her at all. You don't wish to take part in any future discussion. yet you come back to make that statement. you have ever right to do so. Neither have gone for the jugular nor resorted to aggression based upon our very slight disagreement over this one issue.
there may be someone who feels badly for what happened in her/ his interaction with this babsie. That fact that it wasn't you, and you think that it's not best to talk about it, doesn't make it necessarily so for this other person or persons, whomever itor they may be. they will not announce it, and never will, simply carry it for ever. feeling bad. we won't hear about it.
I don't believe that you don't think it is important, more likely you just didn't know of how some people react and what actions these people subsequently take.
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Thats not it at all Marcus. I'm sure some people have been hurt by this... and I hope that this doesnt scar them and make them untrusting of others, because there are certainly some good people on here.
However, if somebody on this board is indeed so hurt by this... then neither you nor myself is duly qualified to help them with that problem, or to act like we can. If they want to talk about it, by all means listen... but for us to try and pass off what we think sounds right about dealing with the situation is no better than that which started this mess.
So anyways, I believe everyones feelings on this board are important. I also believe that bringing this up time and again wont improve that any.
I'm not sure of anyone who is so involved in their being at IM that they cant get over this. In fact, 99.9% of the site already has
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Now if there is any lesson to be taken from this then that is exactly it TP
Not to trust every Tom, Dick and Harry that try to get your interested in products. The supplement world is full of crap products, its not surprising that the companies that produce them (and know what trash they are) are willing to hire people to sell them.
We'd all do well to be aware of this and keep it in mind in our interactions in the BB community.
Not to trust every Tom, Dick and Harry that try to get your interested in products. The supplement world is full of crap products, its not surprising that the companies that produce them (and know what trash they are) are willing to hire people to sell them.
We'd all do well to be aware of this and keep it in mind in our interactions in the BB community.
Originally posted by Eggs
Thats not it at all Marcus. I'm sure some people have been hurt by this... and I hope that this doesnt scar them and make them untrusting of others, because there are certainly some good people on here.
However, if somebody on this board is indeed so hurt by this... then neither you nor myself is duly qualified to help them with that problem, or to act like we can. If they want to talk about it, by all means listen... but for us to try and pass off what we think sounds right about dealing with the situation is no better than that which started this mess.
So anyways, I believe everyones feelings on this board are important. I also believe that bringing this up time and again wont improve that any.
I'm not sure of anyone who is so involved in their being at IM that they cant get over this. In fact, 99.9% of the site already has
I wsn't offering to help. just pointing out that some ppl may have been hurt more than others. they may be reading this, and understood immediately what i was talking about and were thankful that someone understood what they were feeling.
i have never said that we should write endless notes back and forth to each other about it. you read something more than what was written.
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sortware samurai, posted a note about EAT metabolic something or other. it wasn't HEAT . It has nothing to do with Avant. he posted a link to the direct advertising site. there have been no posts in his thread so hopefully this discussion about shills prompted people to simply avoid that thread.
sortware samurai, posted a note about EAT metabolic something or other. it wasn't HEAT . It has nothing to do with Avant. he posted a link to the direct advertising site. there have been no posts in his thread so hopefully this discussion about shills prompted people to simply avoid that thread.
Derek's response:
When a new product comes out, we always send a certain amount out for testing. We have NEVER asked any of the people doing the testing to lie or even to post positive things on the board. People post what they really believe to be the case about the product. Some of our testers have actually posted negative things about one of our product. We never even asked them to put a bunch of posts on the boards...if they do this, they do it because they want to. The amount of free product has ever only been very small.
This situation is caused by a few very jealous competitors that hate that Syntrax is well-respected on the boards. These people are pitiful and will do anything to discredit Syntrax...just look at who is constantly posting about this "terrible" situation. These are the people that noonne should respect. I will just ignore them.
As far as I know, Babsie never received free product.
When a new product comes out, we always send a certain amount out for testing. We have NEVER asked any of the people doing the testing to lie or even to post positive things on the board. People post what they really believe to be the case about the product. Some of our testers have actually posted negative things about one of our product. We never even asked them to put a bunch of posts on the boards...if they do this, they do it because they want to. The amount of free product has ever only been very small.
This situation is caused by a few very jealous competitors that hate that Syntrax is well-respected on the boards. These people are pitiful and will do anything to discredit Syntrax...just look at who is constantly posting about this "terrible" situation. These are the people that noonne should respect. I will just ignore them.
As far as I know, Babsie never received free product.
fair enough
Really? Do you work for syntrax? who is Derek as I am out in the cold on this one.
Just about everyone here LIKES syntrax products. few if anyone is bad mouthing syntrax.
so she was simply just another self absorbed delusional nitwit blowhard who thought that she may get freebies if she kept blowing your horn? so she was simply a whore? an unpaid shill? how fuqqing sad is that! that makes her even more pathetic than I thought possible.
since she is over at another board now hawking syntrax ( for nothing apparently) the people over there WHO DO RECEIVE FREE SYNTRAX will probably boot her ass of the threads soon enough...
it's a beautiful world.
Foxx /Derek,
coupla things come to mind:
the small bit of free product; you fail to consider and certainly don't bother to mention the well known fact that humans respond to free gifts in a variety of ways; some people WILL feel a brand loyalty towards the company giving the free item. the "gift" bestows a sense of obligation onto the recipient towards the giver. This is a well known tool in advertising; one which Derek doesn't wish to acknowledge.
Moreover, with the advent of these websites, the tiny amount of free product given away creates a freaking AVALANCE' of positve advertisements on these boards. And it is a CASCADE effect as they soon take it to other boards on which other people receiving ( or hope to ) free product jump in with their endorsement. all under the pretense of " hey bro, i found a great product, you should try it.' then paid shill #2 pipes in with " yeah, thanks for the heads up, that a great item you found there. heard nothign but good about it.;!" this is what i saw on another board about company X products. obvious....how about just hitting people over the head with the butt end of the shovel and sticking a jug of ITEM Y in their hands...
It also is a tactic to now and then say something negative about a product of the company in order to offset any lurking suspicions. People's guards go back down after that.
Very telling about whoever Derek is, is his comment "terrible" situation. quotations around terrible were his. IF he doesn't consider fake and dishonest advertisements, in which the enticement of free items procure a positive review of a product, if he doesn't consider these modes of advertising DECEPTIVE AND DOWNRIGHT DISHONEST, then he just wrote his own obituary.
Some people will do just about anything if given something for free. or given the hint of a free item in the future.
I am not certain of whom derek referred in his comment about looking to see who was complaining. Up until now, very few people have commented negatively about Syntrax specifically. Most have stated that they love or at least like syntrax products. Most have commented negatively, and quite rightly, about the endless and very suspicious onslaught of 'everything Syntrax " by this Babsie person. Who, after leaving here, in an indignant huff, started the same sort of thing over on another board. this behavior leaves something to be desired.
so, is Derek saying that he has never heard of this babsie person?
We will never know what percentage of the total Syntrax production is given away as free promotional items for future consideration. One free item given to the right person can certainly create a huge increase in sales if: the person is seen as being sincere and can hide the affiliation. street credibility in effect.
in the end, Babsie' became simply to abrasive and people stopped believing her/him. especially when she was caught cutting and pasting other people's quotes, making backhanding comments about others and generally giving wrong advice or unsolicited advice that too was wrong..
What's more, the way she changed over on the new board in her writing style to mask herself is simply weird. is she just a deceptive personality with no affiliation to Syntrax or is she so empty that she simply attached herself to something she found significant? giving herself in her mind instant credibility.
this type of advert ( gift for a positive review ) is common place in every industry. and when caught, just about everyone admits to doing it. those that don't admit to doing it essentially have shot themselves in the big toe!
coupla things come to mind:
the small bit of free product; you fail to consider and certainly don't bother to mention the well known fact that humans respond to free gifts in a variety of ways; some people WILL feel a brand loyalty towards the company giving the free item. the "gift" bestows a sense of obligation onto the recipient towards the giver. This is a well known tool in advertising; one which Derek doesn't wish to acknowledge.
Moreover, with the advent of these websites, the tiny amount of free product given away creates a freaking AVALANCE' of positve advertisements on these boards. And it is a CASCADE effect as they soon take it to other boards on which other people receiving ( or hope to ) free product jump in with their endorsement. all under the pretense of " hey bro, i found a great product, you should try it.' then paid shill #2 pipes in with " yeah, thanks for the heads up, that a great item you found there. heard nothign but good about it.;!" this is what i saw on another board about company X products. obvious....how about just hitting people over the head with the butt end of the shovel and sticking a jug of ITEM Y in their hands...
It also is a tactic to now and then say something negative about a product of the company in order to offset any lurking suspicions. People's guards go back down after that.
Very telling about whoever Derek is, is his comment "terrible" situation. quotations around terrible were his. IF he doesn't consider fake and dishonest advertisements, in which the enticement of free items procure a positive review of a product, if he doesn't consider these modes of advertising DECEPTIVE AND DOWNRIGHT DISHONEST, then he just wrote his own obituary.
Some people will do just about anything if given something for free. or given the hint of a free item in the future.
I am not certain of whom derek referred in his comment about looking to see who was complaining. Up until now, very few people have commented negatively about Syntrax specifically. Most have stated that they love or at least like syntrax products. Most have commented negatively, and quite rightly, about the endless and very suspicious onslaught of 'everything Syntrax " by this Babsie person. Who, after leaving here, in an indignant huff, started the same sort of thing over on another board. this behavior leaves something to be desired.
so, is Derek saying that he has never heard of this babsie person?
We will never know what percentage of the total Syntrax production is given away as free promotional items for future consideration. One free item given to the right person can certainly create a huge increase in sales if: the person is seen as being sincere and can hide the affiliation. street credibility in effect.
in the end, Babsie' became simply to abrasive and people stopped believing her/him. especially when she was caught cutting and pasting other people's quotes, making backhanding comments about others and generally giving wrong advice or unsolicited advice that too was wrong..
What's more, the way she changed over on the new board in her writing style to mask herself is simply weird. is she just a deceptive personality with no affiliation to Syntrax or is she so empty that she simply attached herself to something she found significant? giving herself in her mind instant credibility.
this type of advert ( gift for a positive review ) is common place in every industry. and when caught, just about everyone admits to doing it. those that don't admit to doing it essentially have shot themselves in the big toe!
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Hey all, I have something to come clean about. While I have been on this boards a long time, I do not feel I have been completely honest, so I will tell you all right now.
I am a cheap man. I have loyalty to any product that is an accpetable price to me. If 1fast has something 4 cents cheaper than DPS, I will buy it from 1fast and vice versa. Also, I have been given one free product since being on this board, Sytenhance. I got results from it and kept a log of this info. If I beta test a product and it sucks, you will know about it. If you are stupid enough to go on someone's word as opposed to hard data, that is your problem. Ya see, if a person is too lazy to get in and research a product deeply as opposed to the superficial manner most newbies go at it, they should lose their money and be put up for a Darwin Award for being a dumbass.
I also like Sytnrax, but have never gotten any for free. I have no idea if it meets label claims, but then again, I have no idea if ANY product meets label claims because I am to cheap to test it myself. It tastes pretty damn good though.
Oh yeah, it was pretty damn obvious Babsie was on Syntrax's nuts.
I am a cheap man. I have loyalty to any product that is an accpetable price to me. If 1fast has something 4 cents cheaper than DPS, I will buy it from 1fast and vice versa. Also, I have been given one free product since being on this board, Sytenhance. I got results from it and kept a log of this info. If I beta test a product and it sucks, you will know about it. If you are stupid enough to go on someone's word as opposed to hard data, that is your problem. Ya see, if a person is too lazy to get in and research a product deeply as opposed to the superficial manner most newbies go at it, they should lose their money and be put up for a Darwin Award for being a dumbass.
I also like Sytnrax, but have never gotten any for free. I have no idea if it meets label claims, but then again, I have no idea if ANY product meets label claims because I am to cheap to test it myself. It tastes pretty damn good though.
Oh yeah, it was pretty damn obvious Babsie was on Syntrax's nuts.
I am not Derek, I'm Sir Foxx. I asked Derek(the owner of Syntrax, or possibly now just an outside consultant due to the rumors that Syntrax was bought out) to respond to what was going on. He replied and I posted his reply here, that is all.
Also, I first met Babsie on the Syntrax forum, and I'm sure that Derek has seen her posts. She is definately gung ho Syntrax, her motives for it, I do not know. I do feel I can trust Derek as he has never lied to me that I know of so I take him at his word until proven otherwise. And before anyone tries to say I'm a Syntrax Shill, I'm a Health Physics Tech. at Research Nuclear Reactor. My home board is AnabolicMinds.com and I've never gotten or asked for free product from anyone except Omega in reference to his new Glutamine Peptide product, which I didn't get picked for. I think a few here know me from AM and a few other boards so I will let my rep speak for itself( I hope thats a good move)
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