Maybe the reason mesofreaky is so much against lifting with belts and knee wraps is because he has never got under a 500 lb squat and felt the pain all the way down to the bone. There is NO WAY IN HELL that a pair of wraps and a belt are going to lift 500 lbs for you. You have to have the intensity and power to move that f**kin weight your damn self, and if not, your askin to get killed.. Plain and simple, wraps and belts help to protect your back and knees