squatting....

[P-funk]

yes ATG squat.

There is no such thing as a "half" or "Quater" squat. if you cant do a full squat then you shouldn't be squatting IMO. So get down or get out

you have no idea what you are talking about.

Great quote:

"If you don't train people for a living then you have no business giving out training advice" -Keith Scott

Unless you have worked with people and understand how different bodies move and different people have differnet othopedic or biomechanical issues then you don't know jackshit. The goal is to just getting there (in this case a deetp squat) it is HOW YOU GET THERE that matters.

 

[Double D]

you have no idea what you are talking about.

Great quote:

"If you don't train people for a living then you have no business giving out training advice" -Keith Scott

Unless you have worked with people and understand how different bodies move and different people have differnet othopedic or biomechanical issues then you don't know jackshit. The goal is to just getting there (in this case a deetp squat) it is HOW YOU GET THERE that matters.

I like those quotes and will have to keep those in mind.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

yes ATG squat.

There is no such thing as a "half" or "Quater" squat. if you cant do a full squat then you shouldn't be squatting IMO. So get down or get out

I train 50-60 year old clients who would hurt themselves severely taking your advice. This is why one size fits all advice is irrelevant. People need to have exercise prescriptions, based on their current state of ability; including flexibility, mobility, strength, and so forth.

 

[kinkery]

50-60yr old people should be retird anyway

 

[Double D]

Most 50-60 year old people train for a better life. They train to sustain falls. They train to live longer. I have tried to help you a few times but with a comment like that, I dont even know what to say.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

50-60yr old people should be retird anyway

You should be banned for remarks like this.

 

[P-funk]

you are a fucking moron.

I just looked at your journal. I have had 50 and 60yr old people that out lift you. go fuck yourself pussy.

 

[kinkery]

you are a fucking moron.

I just looked at your journal. I have had 50 and 60yr old people that out lift you. go fuck yourself pussy.

show me a 60yr old that benches 315 and i'll belive you

 

[P-funk]

you aren't benching 315....fuck, you aren't even squatting it!

Chest And Biceps ballin workout-

Incline Press:
135 x 8
185 x 8
160 x 8
155 x 8

Benchpress:
155 x 10
185 x 10
185 x 10
225 x 8 (easy) strength = up!!

V-Dips:
BW x 10
BW x 8
BW x 10

Barbell Curls:
65 x 10
85 x 8
85 x 10

Db Curls:
25 x 10
35 x 8
35 x 8

Overall: great workout

Anyway, in NYC there was a 64yr old guy that was a heavy bencher and he had done 335. So fuck off you pussy.

 

[kinkery]

you aren't benching 315....fuck, you aren't even squatting it!





Anyway, in NYC there was a 64yr old guy that was a heavy bencher and he had done 335. So fuck off you pussy.

and you'd know this how? i can squat 345 ATG and bench 315.

 

[P-funk]

yea, it looks like it from your journal entries! keep up the hard work pussy.

 

[P-funk]

today was Legs and abs. pretty intense

Squats (with heel lift, ATG, no lockout):
135 x 12
135 x 12
135 x 12

Looks like a rough session!

 

[kinkery]

Looks like a rough session!

look like a rough and light session. i'm not good with high reps. i prefer lower reps. 5-6. .

 

[MCx2]

 

[soxmuscle]

That was the most ridiculous blow-up I've ever seen.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

look like a rough and light session. i'm not good with high reps. i prefer lower reps. 5-6. .

so wait, you have a full 250 percent improvement going from 10 reps (at 125) to 5 or 6 at 300+?

you are full of shit. you are a pussy.

 

[Stewart14]

so wait, you have a full 250 percent improvement going from 10 reps (at 125) to 5 or 6 at 300+?

you are full of shit. you are a pussy.

 

[Stewart14]

depends on how your pelvis looks when you are squatting down.

Some can squat down below parallel but they have a nasty ass posterior tilt, which really leaves the lower back in a compromised position. That would be a mobility issue that needs to be addressed before progressing to a squat of that depth.

Long story short....Without seeing you squat....no one fucking knows.

Obviously like you said, without a picture you can't say 100%, but what kind of mobility issues should be addressed if I believe this is happening to me a bit? What should I work on?

 

[KelJu]

"If you don't train people for a living then you have no business giving out training advice" -Keith Scott

I think that quote is dumb. What if knowledgeable people's answer to every fitness question was "I'm not a trainer, so I can't give you advice"?

There aren't enough trainers to have time to answer every newb question in the fitness world. People on IM that aren't trainers give great advice to newbs everyday.

Just my opinion.

 

[fufu]

I think that quote is dumb. What if knowledgeable people's answer to every fitness question was "I'm not a trainer, so I can't give you advice"?

There aren't enough trainers to have time to answer every newb question in the fitness world. People on IM that aren't trainers give great advice to newbs everyday.

Just my opinion.

I agree.

I'm tootin' my own horn, but I have given advice to people and really turned around their workouts for the better and got rid alot of their problems.

 

[P-funk]

I think there is some validity to the statement. Anyone can read a book or other posts and gain knowledge and then dole that knowledge out on an internet forum. It is a totally different thing to take that knowledge and start applying it to a variety of different people and populations (who are typically not as able as those that are on this forum looking for training advice). I mean, I can read all about making a pizza and talk about how to cook it and give to different recipes but if i never do it, I probably am not going to be very good at making the pizza. I can read about heart surgery and made learn a shit ton about it and maybe even be able to talk intelligently about it with some heart surgens...but, I can't go in and perform that surgery on other people.

Statements like "ATG is the only way to squat. If you can't do it you shouldn't squat."....confirms the above quote. Clearly the individual has never worked with someone and wouldn't know how to reproduce results with various populations of people.

 

[KelJu]

I think there is some validity to the statement. Anyone can read a book or other posts and gain knowledge and then dole that knowledge out on an internet forum. It is a totally different thing to take that knowledge and start applying it to a variety of different people and populations (who are typically not as able as those that are on this forum looking for training advice). I mean, I can read all about making a pizza and talk about how to cook it and give to different recipes but if i never do it, I probably am not going to be very good at making the pizza. I can read about heart surgery and made learn a shit ton about it and maybe even be able to talk intelligently about it with some heart surgens...but, I can't go in and perform that surgery on other people.

Statements like "ATG is the only way to squat. If you can't do it you shouldn't squat."....confirms the above quote. Clearly the individual has never worked with someone and wouldn't know how to reproduce results with various populations of people.

No doubt. The statement you were harping about was very ignorant. Hell, it took me over a year just to get to parallel, because of past injuries. If I had followed the advice of Kinkery, I would have given up squatting, and I would not be where I am now.

Advice is just that...advice. Advice can be considered, followed, or disregarded. That is why it is the responsibility of the individual to become educated, so they can be the best they can be at what they are trying to do. The process of becoming educated is talking to other people to help put you on the path to learn for yourself. I think that is the essence of advice.


Also, I am sure they are trainers out there that do not know shit about other people's bodies, and being a trainer in general.

 

[fufu]

I think there is some validity to the statement. Anyone can read a book or other posts and gain knowledge and then dole that knowledge out on an internet forum. It is a totally different thing to take that knowledge and start applying it to a variety of different people and populations (who are typically not as able as those that are on this forum looking for training advice). I mean, I can read all about making a pizza and talk about how to cook it and give to different recipes but if i never do it, I probably am not going to be very good at making the pizza. I can read about heart surgery and made learn a shit ton about it and maybe even be able to talk intelligently about it with some heart surgens...but, I can't go in and perform that surgery on other people.

Statements like "ATG is the only way to squat. If you can't do it you shouldn't squat."....confirms the above quote. Clearly the individual has never worked with someone and wouldn't know how to reproduce results with various populations of people.

I see what you are saying, but I wouldn't say one single instance confirms that quote to everyone. I'll agree, to most people though. Definitely.

There is a big difference knowing when something works, and know why it works. If you don't know why it works you can't apply it to a different kinds of people.

Hell, even "trainers" who train people for a living are dumb asses.

 

[P-funk]

^^agree with both

 

[ben16v]

would you people vary the ROM according to the weight?

ie on a light week concentrate on full squats ATG and the on a heavy week go to 90degrees?

 

[Double D]

Obviously like you said, without a picture you can't say 100%, but what kind of mobility issues should be addressed if I believe this is happening to me a bit? What should I work on?

Whats goin on Stew?

Are your feet internally rotating?
Do you have a posterior tilt?
Are your heels coming off of the ground?

What exactly is going on? More than likely its a combination of tighness of a few muscles and maybe some weak muscles as well.

 

[Double D]

would you people vary the ROM according to the weight?

ie on a light week concentrate on full squats ATG and the on a heavy week go to 90degrees?

You vary ROM according to the persons flexibility. If a persons felxibility only allows them to go 1/4 of the way then thats all they can do. You develop a flexibility program to correct it and theoretically you should be able to go lower with time.

 

[P-funk]

if the person can only get a 1/4 squat I wouldn't have them put weight on their back. I am pretty conservative with who is allowed to get under the bar and who isn't. Work on mobility and other exercises for strengthening. Remeber, when we limit ROM at one joint, we create stress at another. Things have to move properly.

 

[Double D]

You ever have them do wall squats?

 

[Stewart14]

Whats goin on Stew?

Are your feet internally rotating?
Do you have a posterior tilt?
Are your heels coming off of the ground?

What exactly is going on? More than likely its a combination of tighness of a few muscles and maybe some weak muscles as well.

Hey DD, goin ok,,,super busy with work and the baby lately, but I am getting by...you know about kids and work I am sure!

Anyway, I think what is happening when I squat is that I am getting than posterior tilt. I think I definitely have one and now that I am noticing it more, I notice it is happening on my squatting, probably putting too much stress on my back than I should be.

I usually turn my feet a little bit outwards, and I am able to keep my heels on the ground if my foot stance it about 1 1/2 times shoulder width or wider.

In practicing my form today without weight, I notice that when I start the movement, when I go to "sit back" it seems as if my pelvis tilts the split second before I decend. Almost as if I can't go down without this slight hitch at the beginning. Depth is not an issue, but like I said, I think my back is taking the brunt of things, and lately it HAS been bothering me a bit.

Does that help? Anyone got any ideas for correcting that?