Started CLA today. What should I expect in the next 4 weeks with it?

[topolo]

Yes topolo, you'll have less money. That's the downside. CLA is expensive at an effective dose, but it definitely worked. If cheaper I'd use it more often. ... having said that, I don't think "value" was the question posed here anyway.

I'm not saying anything about value.............I am saying less money is what should be expected.............period.

 

[rrgg]

My brand contains 800mg of CLA in each capsule & you are required to take 2 a day.

My shampoo instructions read, "Wash. Rinse. Repeat."

1.6g of CLA per day is not enough despite the label.

 

[Johnnny]

Why isn't it enough?

 

[LAM]

the effective dose in medical studies with postive results are with 6 grams daily...

 

[redspy]

Here's a study using obese subjects running varying doses.... I doubt most of you fall into this category

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica] J Nutr 2000 Dec;130(12):2943-8 Related Articles, Links


Conjugated linoleic acid reduces body fat mass in overweight and obese humans.

Blankson H, Stakkestad JA, Fagertun H, Thom E, Wadstein J, Gudmundsen O.

Scandinavian Clinical Research AS, N-2027 Kjeller, Norway.

Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) has been shown to reduce body fat mass (BFM) in animals. To investigate the dose-response relationships of conjugated linoleic acid with regard to BFM in humans, a randomized, double-blind study including 60 overweight or obese volunteers (body mass index 25-35 kg/m(2)) was performed. The subjects were divided into five groups receiving placebo (9 g olive oil), 1.7, 3.4, 5.1 or 6.8 g conjugated linoleic acid per day for 12 wk, respectively. Dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry was used to measure body composition [measurements at wk 0 (baseline), 6 and 12]. Of the 60 subjects, 47 completed the study. Eight subjects withdrew from the study due to adverse events; however, no differences among treatment groups were found regarding adverse events. Repeated-measures analysis showed that a significantly higher reduction in BFM was found in the conjugated linoleic acid groups compared with the placebo group (P: = 0.03). The reduction of body fat within the groups was significant for the 3.4 and 6.8 g CLA groups (P: = 0.05 and P: = 0.02, respectively). No significant differences among the groups were observed in lean body mass, body mass index, blood safety variables or blood lipids. The data suggest that conjugated linoleic acid may reduce BFM in humans and that no additional effect on BFM is achieved with doses > 3.4 g CLA/d.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 11110851 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE][/font]

 

[Johnnny]

So 1600mg a day isn't enough?

Also I've read the links that Robert DiMaggio supplied for the CLA on what it does & so on.

It mentions thermogenesis.

Is this the same thermogenesis that the Ephedrine/ephedra, the thermogenic fat burners & the ECA provide by directly attacking one's thyroid by dramactically increasing one's thyroid levels?

From what I understand it does not.


My doctor & pharmacist both told me that now that my thyroid is stable & has been stable for 4 months on synthroid, that CLA wouldn't affect me they way the ECA stack & thermogenic fat burners would.

It would be much healthier.

 

[Johnnny]

Bad news, I think I have to stop my CLA.

It makes me feel like I'm in a sauna most of the time.

I guess this is normal & it's the thermogenesis properties kicking in?

Or could I be taking too much? One capsule holds 800mg.

Some ppl say it's not enough, but maybe it's enough for one person & too much for someone else?

Yesterday my face felt like I had it in the oven & I had to put cold compresses on to cool down.

This is how I was feeling when I was on the ephedrine/ephedra & other thermogenic fat burners containing Ma Huang & caffeine.

I don't like feeling this way, & I get nervous b/c of my thyroid even if it's stable. I'm told CLA has no interaction with your thyroid, but I don't like feeling that way.

Any ideas?

 

[topolo]

try dnp

 

[Johnnny]

topolo

What's DNP?

Thanks

 

[Johnnny]

Topolo

You're from Toronto to?

I wish I was back there as I've been stuck in Montreal the lst 14yrs.

I plan on coming back.

Do you go to Strictly Fitness in the north end of Toronto?

It's Dufferin near Steeles & where Allen RD. ends.

It's a pretty good gym, I met Markus Rhul there when I was visiting relatives in 2000 I believe when he won the Toronto.

 

[Pirate!]

Bad news, I think I have to stop my CLA.

It makes me feel like I'm in a sauna most of the time.

I guess this is normal & it's the thermogenesis properties kicking in?

I think it is a misattribution. There must be something else causing it--perhaps thryoid problems. CLA is just a fat, and it doesn't have thermogenic properites. Is there something else in your CLA supplement?

 

[Johnnny]

PirateFromHell

I think it is a misattribution. There must be something else causing it--perhaps thryoid problems. CLA is just a fat, and it doesn't have thermogenic properites. Is there something else in your CLA supplement?

My thyroid is normal & has been normal for the last 4 months on my current dose of syntthroid.

I've only noticed this since I started CLA late last week.

As for anything else in the CLA it has gelatin, glycerin, caramel, & purified water.


http://www.ironmagazine.com/review9.html
http://www.ironmagazine.com/review49.html

Description:
Linoleic acid (LA) is a naturally occurring fatty acid found predominantly in beef and dairy products. LA is one of the two essential fatty acids (the other is linolenic acid). Linoleic acid is an omega-6 fatty acid, meaning that it is unsaturated, with a double bond occurring at the sixth carbon atom from the omega end of the molecule. Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) is an isomer of LA - which refers to a slight rearrangement of the molecular structure (conjugation) - resulting in a fatty acid with altered chemical functions. The rearrangement in this case is a conjugated double bond occurring at carbons 10 and 12 or at carbons 9 and 11. Linoleic acid is found in the diet in vegetable oils, whereas the conjugated variety, CLA, is found primarily in meat and dairy products. The form of CLA found most commonly in dietary supplements is manufactured from vegetable oils such as sunflower oil or safflower oil. One of the leading brands of CLA (TonalinTM), and the one on which the majority of studies has been conducted, is derived from safflower oil.

Claims:


Builds muscle
Burns fat
Increases thermogenesis (calorie expenditure)
Fights cancer
Antioxidant


This part here is from the first link & it says that it increases thermogenesis.

This is what I'm concerned about as that would explain my hot flashes.

 

[Johnnny]

I guess nobody has any more input in this regard?


Well just to let you guys know that I've stopped the CLA 2 days ago & the feeling of me being in a sauna is gone.

I don't feel hot any more.

So it was the CLA as that's exactly when the feeling of being in a sauna started & now that feeling is gone.

It increases thermogenesis to help with calorie expenditure which means it increases your metabolism which isn't the best thing all the time especially for someone with a thyroid condition even if their thyroid is normal.

 

[LAM]

despite what that information says that you posted CLA does not directly increase thermogensis...

 

[rrgg]

I don't think it could cause the side effect you experienced either. It's probably a coincidence.

 

[Johnnny]

Actually I'm supplying the links that Robert DiMaggio gave me on the first page.

I'm serious, The feeling of being in a sauna started exactly when I started the CLA, & now that I've stopped the CLA, that horrible feeling stopped along with it.

I haven't had hot flashes like that since 2000 when my thyroid was hyper & we didn't know about it.

I'm sure it's the CLA.

 

[LiftHardGainBig]

Johnny, not tryin to make you sound stupid, but 800mg = .8 gm. That's even less than what rrgg estimated so it'd be even more expensive. Also if you read the entire post, you'll see that they are talking about taking a lot more than 2 gm/day...

 

[rrgg]

Maybe he has some legitimate problem with CLA. Sometimes people are just allergic to stuff, and when it comes down to it, this product is (practically?) food.

 

[Johnnny]

rrgg

Maybe he has some legitimate problem with CLA. Sometimes people are
just allergic to stuff, and when it comes down to it, this product is
(practically?) food.

Well that's possible.

Every individual is different & has different reactions to supplements & so on.

One thing is for sure, I don't have those symptoms when I eat red meat as I eat red meat 3 times a day.

 

[rrgg]

I don't believe the CLA is causing this. I was mostly just saying there's an offchance...

 

[Tha Don]

CLA is a great supplement but many people expect it to have "fat burning" effects. CLA does not work like that, it is used to supress lipoprotein lipase (LPL) which is the gate keeper to fat storage in adipocytes...

IMO...CLA is best used when there is a caloric excess to help limit increases in body fat...You also need to consume CLA with meals that contain carbohydrates or it will be oxidized...

it takes months of use at 6 grams a day before it "kicks in"...I love the stuff

so it would be a better idea to use CLA post cut? when begining to raise the cals back up for a bulk in an attempt to keep fat gains minimal? rather than actually during a cutting phase with thermos?

if thats the case i'll come off CLA and restart it after my cut in a months time

 

[Johnnny]

Just to let you guys know that it's been over a week since I stopped taking the CLA & I never have hot flashes while my thyroid gland is normal & has been.

 

[LAM]

IMO...it's definetly best used when there is a caloric excess

 

[Tha Don]

IMO...it's definetly best used when there is a caloric excess

okay, i'll restart taking CLA when i raise my cals up again

thanks LAM