Steroids & Teens?

[shiznit2169]

are you talking about the New England Patriots? If you are, funny you mentioned it because i'm from foxboro (hometown of the pats) and you're right, they get no respect at all from the media. All these espn "experts" rely on stats and teams with superstars that will beat a team with no stars and the fact that they are not a flashy team. I mean come on, the pats beat the colts 20-3 or something in the playoffs and they still get no respect when they faced the steelers? Look what happened, they destroyed them like they were a rookie team. Then the superbowl comes and all the talk was about whether or not T.O would play with a broken ankle and freddy mitchell runs his mouth. Even after the game, the first thing they talked about was how T.O proved everyone wrong and talked about him and his amazing stats. Hello? He's not the whole team and they didn't win the superbowl...

Anytime i hear the so called experts talk about the Pats, i change the channel. The only guys i listen to are Chris Berman and Tom Jackson.

 

[Flex]

are you talking about the New England Patriots? If you are, funny you mentioned it because i'm from foxboro (hometown of the pats) and you're right, they get no respect at all from the media. All these espn "experts" rely on stats and teams with superstars that will beat a team with no stars and the fact that they are not a flashy team. I mean come on, the pats beat the colts 20-3 or something in the playoffs and they still get no respect when they faced the steelers? Look what happened, they destroyed them like they were a rookie team. Then the superbowl comes and all the talk was about whether or not T.O would play with a broken ankle and freddy mitchell runs his mouth. Even after the game, the first thing they talked about was how T.O proved everyone wrong and talked about him and his amazing stats. Hello? He's not the whole team and they didn't win the superbowl...

Anytime i hear the so called experts talk about the Pats, i change the channel. The only guys i listen to are Chris Berman and Tom Jackson.

 

[brogers]

gr81, good post but I disagree about it being the government/education system's job to teach about steroids(or drugs for that matter). This reflects the extreme degredation of personal responsibility in America. We have welfare for unemployed, drug rehabs, etc all funded by others to fix problems created by individuals (most often by their own decisions). Parents refuse to take any sort of responsibility for their children's action, and don't want any responsibility placed on the children themselves either. The government's job is to protect us from foreign invaders and provide for domestic tranquility, I personally, do not believe the government should have to protect people from themselves. If you screw yourself up, I'm sorry for you, but it does not in any way, shape, or form neccessitate help from myself, my family, my friends, or any tax payer in America to help fix your problem or prevent it from happening.

I can't believe congress cares about 2 kids who committed suicide after using steroids. I am willing to bet that the suicide rate for teens on steroids is LOWER than the suicide rate of all teens. 2 Kids in what 6 years out of a pretty sizeable number, let's compare that to the suicide rate of the general population.

It is ridiculous to think that the parents of those 2 kids who committed suicide, SUPPOSEDLY because of depression linked to steroids, placed about 90% of the blame on people other than themselves and their kids. I say kids when I believe they were 18 and 19 years old, these aren't 2nd graders who don't know any better. It's tragic they took their own lives, but there was probably a lot more involved than simply taking steroids. The parents are looking for an excuse or a reason their kids committed suicide, because they don't want to think of themselves as failures. MLB is the failure. The government failed, but not them, and not their children.

 

[Flex]

gr81, good post but I disagree about it being the government/education system's job to teach about steroids(or drugs for that matter). This reflects the extreme degredation of personal responsibility in America. We have welfare for unemployed, drug rehabs, etc all funded by others to fix problems created by individuals (most often by their own decisions). Parents refuse to take any sort of responsibility for their children's action, and don't want any responsibility placed on the children themselves either. The government's job is to protect us from foreign invaders and provide for domestic tranquility, I personally, do not believe the government should have to protect people from themselves. If you screw yourself up, I'm sorry for you, but it does not in any way, shape, or form neccessitate help from myself, my family, my friends, or any tax payer in America to help fix your problem or prevent it from happening.

I see where you're coming from, b/c people look for any excuse in the book to pin it on but themselves. But, saying "if you screw up, your loss" isn't the correct answer. The reason the gov't steps up is b/c people are naturally dumbasses. They'll drink, smoke, eat and do every other thing without thinking twice, b/c people don't consider even think about consequences until they happen to them (ie smoking for decades, then contemplating quitting once they get lung cancer). That's why EDUCATION is the most important thing.

I can't believe congress cares about 2 kids who committed suicide after using steroids. I am willing to bet that the suicide rate for teens on steroids is LOWER than the suicide rate of all teens. 2 Kids in what 6 years out of a pretty sizeable number, let's compare that to the suicide rate of the general population.

It is ridiculous to think that the parents of those 2 kids who committed suicide, SUPPOSEDLY because of depression linked to steroids, placed about 90% of the blame on people other than themselves and their kids. I say kids when I believe they were 18 and 19 years old, these aren't 2nd graders who don't know any better. It's tragic they took their own lives, but there was probably a lot more involved than simply taking steroids. The parents are looking for an excuse or a reason their kids committed suicide, because they don't want to think of themselves as failures. MLB is the failure. The government failed, but not them, and not their children.

 

[Mudge]

well, im new to the steroid biz, but im learning. and from what ive learned, steroids dont stimulate natural test, infact they suppress natural test. so the steroids wouldnt trigger the lock of plates, right?

Testosterone in the body is testosterone, your bones dont care where it came from, its there. When estrogen is high this triggers the closure of the plates, and with high amounts of testosterone this will cause a high amount of estrogen, which will prematurely close the plates. I did know one guy in high school who I could swear was using, but he ended up being 6'4", so I dont know.

 

[Mudge]

There's a heck of a lot more stuff put in them there Steroids than what's in our Man-made Processed foods ....that we R all so encouraged 2 stay the heck away from?

More stuff? Aspirin is aspirin and a binder, testosterone is testosterone, various alcohols (benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzoate) and a carrier oil. There is nothing more in there they are hiding from you.

 

[Missfit4all]

More stuff? Aspirin is aspirin and a binder, testosterone is testosterone, various alcohols (benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzoate) and a carrier oil. There is nothing more in there they are hiding from you.

Hey Mudge, from what i have viewed on this forum, you are an Honest, Supportive, Positive person around here, and i respect that.

Having said that, my reply in relating Steroids (as processed) and in relevance to the fact that we R all encouraged 2 eat and (take things) for our bodies in the most Natural form as possible, is said 2B best? That's all i was saying.. Now r u Promoting Steroid use in replying there is nothing wrong with taking (asprin) and (testoterone) and (various alchohols) those of which Steroids is made from? If so, what i mean by Natural is... (grown from Mother Earth) not man-made in any way is always Best, and i stand by that. i do respect your Opinion, however, it doesn't mean i have to agree with it?

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Ur Opinion is respected.
Please don't take offense to mine.

 

[DOMS]

You shouldn't go around spreading misinformation either.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Hey Mudge, from what i have viewed on this forum, you are an Honest, Supportive, Positive person around here, and i respect that.

Having said that, my reply in relating Steroids (as processed) and in relevance to the fact that we R all encouraged 2 eat and (take things) for our bodies in the most Natural form as possible, is said 2B best? That's all i was saying.. Now r u Promoting Steroid use in replying there is nothing wrong with taking (asprin) and (testoterone) and (various alchohols) those of which Steroids is made from? If so, what i mean by Natural is... (grown from Mother Earth) not man-made in any way is always Best, and i stand by that. i do respect your Opinion, however, it doesn't mean i have to agree with it?

You compared steroids to food. This is a factual, correlative error. Your contention that natural foods are better than processed foods is a matter of subjective opinion and, perhaps, biological-value interpretation. Remember that many natural things, if consumed, can kill you. Likewise, many things that are synthesized somewhat unnaturally (i.e. human insulin) offer benefits to people like me, who would die without it. Drawing a line between natural and unnatural as being "good" and "not good" is far too simple.

Steroids used safely and logically offer very serious benefits. I don't understand what your argument is?

 

[Mudge]

Now r u Promoting Steroid use in replying there is nothing wrong with taking (asprin) and (testoterone) and (various alchohols) those of which Steroids is made from?

No, I would not promote taking such things and I never said that there is or isn't anything wrong with taking either. Aspirin is natural, it comes from white willow tree bark - is it good for you? Yes and no, it was recently linked to pancreatic cancer, mmmmmmmm all natural cancer.

Of the 3500 or so species of mushrooms, about 2400 are poisonous, mmmmmmmm all natural liver cirrhosis, mmmmm all "natural" premature death.

Testosterone is natural too, doesn't mean that it should be taken care free nor should anything else. I wouldn't promote anyone to go out and rob a bank, just as I wouldn't promote someone to play doctor on themselves, that is a personal choice which I have no hand in.

I am in no way offended about your opinion(s). If you aren't interested in using something "unnatural" I dont really view it as a huge deal at all. Its a personal choice, and everyones goals are different. My younger brother wouldn't even take creatine, his choice.

 

[Missfit4all]

You compared steroids to food. This is a factual, correlative error. Your contention that natural foods are better than processed foods is a matter of subjective opinion and, perhaps, biological-value interpretation.

Steroids used safely and logically offer very serious benefits. I don't understand what your argument is?

Dear DD,

My Opinion in comparing Steroids to food (in regards to Processed form) may very well have Not been the best Metaphor to use? However, i do Bless America for the Freedom to state my Opinion in any way i feel the desire to do so? It is also my personal belief in believing Natural foods r best for the human body? I again Bless America for both the Freedom to express my Opinions as well as my Beliefs.

As far as an Argument or a Debate on whether "Steroids" when used safely and logically may promote bennefits to the human body VS A Manufactured Processed Steroid may not...? ....perhaps when given ample time for study and research to back up my personal believe in that "Natural is Best", would indeed make for a good Steroid debate. However, i choose not to debate at this time; I would much rather spend my time Getting into shape and Researching the bennefits of Fitness.

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i respect your Opinion.
Please respect mine.

 

[Missfit4all]

No, I would not promote taking such things and I never said that there is or isn't anything wrong with taking either. Aspirin is natural, it comes from white willow tree bark - is it good for you? Yes and no, it was recently linked to pancreatic cancer, mmmmmmmm all natural cancer.

I am in no way offended about your opinion(s). If you aren't interested in using something "unnatural" I dont really view it as a huge deal at all. Its a personal choice, and everyones goals are different. My younger brother wouldn't even take creatine, his choice.

Mudge, thanks for clearing up the "promoting" part...or NON-there of, i should say? Your Respectful and honest approach in stating ur opinions & beliefs without bashing mine is always admired and much appreciated!

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"It's a personal choice, and everyone's goals are different." -- Mudge
i like ur style!

 

[gr81]

drug rehabs, etc all funded by others to fix problems created by individuals (most often by their own decisions).

well some of the points you made were valid, but first of all the money we as a country put into rehab is not NEARLY sufficient, not by a long shot! People thinkn that we can just lock a person up and that is gonna help them with their drug/alcohol addiction and thats just ludicris. Addiction is a genetic disease, not a variable of a person's will power, and the fact that addicts are turned away, let go from inpatient everyday b/c their insurance doesn't cover it is proof positive of my point that if poeple were more educated on the actual effects of drugs (including AAS and other substances) there wouldn't be this mass confusion, speading of ignorance, or this ridiculous witch hunt we are forced to sit through. You can't deny that it all starts with education, and you can't deny as well that the American education system in the large is in shambles. All the rest of this crap is just a symptom if these failures

 

[gr81]

It is ridiculous to think that the parents of those 2 kids who committed suicide, SUPPOSEDLY because of depression linked to steroids, placed about 90% of the blame on people other than themselves and their kids. I say kids when I believe they were 18 and 19 years old, these aren't 2nd graders who don't know any better. It's tragic they took their own lives, but there was probably a lot more involved than simply taking steroids. The parents are looking for an excuse or a reason their kids committed suicide, because they don't want to think of themselves as failures. MLB is the failure. The government failed, but not them, and not their children.

well said, and this is completely endemic of our American society, dissassociation or displacement of responsibility for our own lives, and its pathetic. whether its steroids that kills kids, or grand theft auto, or violent movies in general, or ephedrine and other supplements, or covers of magazines, theres always somewhere else to place blame now isn't there. and theres always a lawyer to pursue these cases. Its exactly this that type of attitude and course of action that is ruining this country. Why are we even listening to these people and not completely dissmissing this crap. I mean its understandable that when you lose someone close, you search for solice and relief, some sort of reason that it happened, but often times there just is none, and thats life. People need to learn to deal. Why should these people in turn get to take our freedoms away. Sometimes in life, people just die or bad shit happens, deal with it.

 

[DOMS]

Mudge, thanks for clearing up the "promoting" part...or NON-there of, i should say? Your Respectful and honest approach in stating ur opinions & beliefs without bashing mine is always admired and much appreciated!

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"It's a personal choice, and everyone's goals are different." -- Mudge
i like ur style!

Holy shit. It John H.'s sister.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

However, i do Bless America for the Freedom to state my Opinion in any way i feel the desire to do so? It is also my personal belief in believing Natural foods r best for the human body? I again Bless America for both the Freedom to express my Opinions as well as my Beliefs.

I hate to drag this out, but the freedom to state opinions also make one vulnerable to receive criticism. Sadly, there are lots of dogmatic beliefs that are taken at face value because we have the "right to an opinion" (the contention that steroids are bad, for example). However, opinions can be and frequently are WRONG, because of principles - that is, facts, evidence that incontrovertibly refute what is sometimes believed.

I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case, but it certainly is if you proport that all natural is always better than synthetic.

If all natural foods were great, as Mudge pointed out, all mushrooms would be edible and good for you. Many can kill you. This is a flaw in your logic, perhaps because you have oversimplified? There are also thousands of plant species, like certain berries, that are fatal or will make one violently ill.

Also, many "unnatural" things, as with the synthetically derived insulin example, can save people's lives if used appropriately. The same can be true for AAS. This reality is ignored by people in the media because they confused right and wrong with legal and illegal. I can assure you that AIDs patients taking steroids to survive might disagree.

 

[Missfit4all]

Holy shit. It John H.'s sister.

Just another one of your many demeaning nasty remarks, i'm sure? One thing i know is for sure...i am an Adult and plan 2 act like one.

 

[Missfit4all]

If all natural foods were great, as Mudge pointed out, all mushrooms would be edible and good for you. Many can kill you. This is a flaw in your logic, perhaps because you have oversimplified? There are also thousands of plant species, like certain berries, that are fatal or will make one violently ill.

Dear DD,

Both Mudge and yourself bring up 2 very valid point(s) about the ill effects of some Natural Plants that kill lives, equally mentioning how some Sythetic drugs are made to Save lives. Point well taken. You seem 2B a well educated Fit young man who i have no doubt has done your research on the Positives and/or Negatives of Steroids. OK, which leads me to asking...Do you believe others who have lost limbs, skin breakouts, sterility, and other possible ill-effects from Steriods is simply from Mis-use and and/or abuse of?

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Your Opinions and Beliefs are respected.

 

[DOMS]

Just another one of your many demeaning nasty remarks, i'm sure? One thing i know is for sure...i am an Adult and plan 2 act like one.

Would it help if I said that was a compliment?

Or would that make it worse?

 

[BiggerNstronger]

did u all hear on the News how more & more teenagers R using Steroids these days? Apparently there is a Steroid Boom sweeping the Nation among teens? They even found a high percentage of 5th & 6th graders taking Steroids!


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If i was their Mama there would be a lot of this... and i'd say, "WTF?" lol.

I think that a "high percentage" of fifth or sixth graders would be single digits. Simple fact is, like 'em or not "juice" is expensive and MOST fifth or sixth grade kids dont have the bank account to do roids. I know several guys who are juicing and several who HAVE juiced in the past and they all say the same thing: Dont do it, it aint worth it. I feel sorry for all the people who think they need the juice to be bigger and stronger...if you cant make it happen naturally/legally then MAYBE it just shouldnt happen.

 

[brogers]

Steroids are taking heat off the government and putting on MLB, it's all political BS. I am dissapointed that so many people in the country seem to think it's an "epidemic."

 

[DOMS]

 

[Missfit4all]

Would it help if I said that was a compliment?

here's what i think of your compliment... now who's laughing????

As far as Broggers and Bigger N Stronger go, read my words...."I have nothing against Steroid use. i do believe it is a shame however, if the MEDIA is accurate, in that our TEENS R using Steroids." (big fat period.)

 

[BiggerNstronger]

As far as Broggers and Bigger N Stronger go, read my words...."I have nothing against Steroid use. i do believe it is a shame however, if the MEDIA is accurate, in that our TEENS R using Steroids." (big fat period.)

Read my words: I think with all of the posts you have had to put up in "defense" of what you said earlier you have become a bit too defensive...I actually was agreeing with you but pointing out that 5/6th grade kids probably arent the prob. Teens? For sure. You have nothing against steroid use....great.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

That boxer brought that shit on himself, and You are an idiot.

ya, it's REALLY MLB's fault. Barry Bonds went to a dealer, bought steroids, and injected them into kids all over the nation. Get a fuckin' clue. You wanna know why those guys refused to talk about thier use? So they don't get castrated by assholes like you who think steroids made their careers and ruined the lives of kids.

Chill out, it's just a discussion, I know you're defending it because it's what got you to where you are, but there's no reason to get so angry over
a non-users opinion...

 

[gr81]

I know you're defending it because it's what got you to where you are, but there's no reason to get so angry over
a non-users opinion...

you can take that thumbs up and stick it straight up your candy ass son. Steroids have very little to do with my man's success, its a little something called intensity and dedication, and make no mistake about it, a wise-crackin know-it-all little bitch like yourself ain't never gonna be touching the weights that Flex is throwing around at his young age, steroids or not.. if you don't have anything positive to contribute then you have no reason or right to comment on the passion others have for the subject, so why don't you know your role and shut your mouth!

 

[Flex]

Chill out, it's just a discussion, I know you're defending it because it's what got you to where you are, but there's no reason to get so angry over
a non-users opinion...

Defending it b/c it got me to where i am?
Listen, bitch, leave these discussions for the adults.

who let little Timmy out of his playroom?

 

[bullred]

man this is better than day time soap. Its to bad that people cant talk about something and not put each other down.

 

[SlimShady]

man this is better than day time soap. Its to bad that people cant talk about something and not put each other down.

I agree. I sometimes wonder if some of these guys are still in the 9th grade.

 

[DOMS]

man this is better than day time soap. Its to bad that people cant talk about something and not put each other down.

I used to think so too. As a matter of fact I told PreMier that he was overly harsh to another poster who asked a question.

Now I know better.

After a few hundred times of reading some moron spout off about something that has no basis in fact or about something that simple search of the forums could have answered, you get tired of it.