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[nyf1nest]

Not sure if this belongs here but if it doesn't I apologize and please move it to the appropriate forum. Today I was in the gym and overheard a couple of younger guys crying because they weren't gaining weight off of Dbol. "Bro Idk why I'm not getting huge tony gained 30 pounds" I normally keep my mouth shut but I had to say something. I asked what his cycle was and he was running a dbol only cycle 30mgs for 5 weeks with reversitol for a pct (LMFAO)... I then schooled him for about 20 minutes and he said I don't want to run test and get too huge. He also had the shittiest diet I've ever heard, then proceeded to tell me that I must be running "10 different types of steroids to be as big and strong as I am" and that I didn't know shit. I laughed instead of getting mad and proceeded with my workout.

Point of the story... if you can't gain weight or muscle naturally, steroids are not the answer to your problems and if you don't know what your doing the best thing to run is nothing at all. Hope this goes out to somebody who is new to AAS.

 

[trapzilla]

Is a good point in there NY, theres a reason people should listen to the bigger guys as we have to be doing something right, right?

When it comes to steroids, I get really annoyed by people who insist on oral only or prohormone cycles for precisely the reason you hint at, they don't take it seriously unless they pin, they just see it as a supplement. so I always try and point out the worst case scenario in an oral only cycle to either desuade the guys or make em pin. maybe slightly immoral but I feel it is a necessary evil

 

[nyf1nest]

Yea bro I mean their is tons of people who have no business using AAS, even some people on these boards.. But people are going to do it anyway, might as well be as informed as possible

 

[alphabolic]

even with dbol only they should be seeing some gains. but yeah people like that are just stupid and looking for short cuts to get big. test only will always be the best first cycle IMO. i've heard so many dbol only stories it's not even funny. you would think with all the easy access to information on the internet these days, that they'd at least make the effort to do a simple google search. too bad for them.

 

[nyf1nest]

Everyone is always concerned about supplements and steroids, but when I mention a diet and a training program their like huh?

 

[trapzilla]

even with dbol only they should be seeing some gains. but yeah people like that are just stupid and looking for short cuts to get big. test only will always be the best first cycle IMO. i've heard so many dbol only stories it's not even funny. you would think with all the easy access to information on the internet these days, that they'd at least make the effort to do a simple google search. too bad for them.

Now whilst my first ever cycle was anavar only, and i'd suggest if someone is 100% going to do an oral only they use that I do agree a first cycle should be test only.

Yea bro I mean their is tons of people who have no business using AAS, even some people on these boards.. But people are going to do it anyway, might as well be as informed as possible

Exactly, something along the lines of "to lead untrained people to war is to throw them way"-Confucius

 

[Jrluz14]

I can't say much about AAS since I haven't started my first cycle yet, but I know a thing or two about diet and laugh at the guys that think all you have to do is "stab yourself with a needle and you instantly get huge." Not many people understand that even while running AAS it still takes hard work. That's what brings me here, to learn exactly how to "stab myself with a needle".

 

[Supervette101]

That's what brings me here, to learn exactly how to "stab myself with a needle".


That's an excellent point, just how many people don't know the correct way to inject or where to inject. Hell when most people find out that to really get big you have to inject their faces pale. Yea, yea, I know you guys are gonna say how easy it is, that's cuz we're all 'sick" and a lot of you sicker then me. I don't know how you guys so many.

 

[nyf1nest]

That's what brings me here, to learn exactly how to "stab myself with a needle".


That's an excellent point, just how many people don't know the correct way to inject or where to inject. Hell when most people find out that to really get big you have to inject their faces pale. Yea, yea, I know you guys are gonna say how easy it is, that's cuz we're all 'sick" and a lot of you sicker then me. I don't know how you guys so many.

It's not even about "sticking yourself" it's the whole process of leading up to it bro, you should have a good foundation to start with, a few years of lifting under your belt, diet in check, and a solid training program to go with it. Without those things your really not taking full advantage of a cycle, sure you'll see gains... but I guarantee if you start early it will be SO much harder to see gains naturally, and you will have to continue to up the dosage just to see gains. AAS is not creatine or whatever else, they should be taken seriously. That said your in a good place to read and learn, their is plenty of good bros here who know their shit.

 

[alphabolic]

Now whilst my first ever cycle was anavar only, and i'd suggest if someone is 100% going to do an oral only they use that I do agree a first cycle should be test only.

well if there's any oral only cycle that's relatively safe, it's anavar. i've heard a lot of stories of people running high doses of anavar for 6-10 weeks with good keepable gains and incredible fat loss. they ran either clomid, nolva, or a combo of the 2 for PCT and recovered fine.

my first cycle im doing 400mg prop 8 weeks and 70mg GP var for 6 weeks. i did months and months of research before starting up and decided this would be a great first cycle despite breaking my own rule of running only test for a first cycle. i figured it would be better to run an 8 week cycle of prop with 6 weeks var rather than a 12 week test only cycle.

 

[alphabolic]

I don't know how you guys so many.

what does this mean?

 

[Jrluz14]

It's not even about "sticking yourself" it's the whole process of leading up to it bro, you should have a good foundation to start with, a few years of lifting under your belt, diet in check, and a solid training program to go with it. Without those things your really not taking full advantage of a cycle, sure you'll see gains... but I guarantee if you start early it will be SO much harder to see gains naturally, and you will have to continue to up the dosage just to see gains. AAS is not creatine or whatever else, they should be taken seriously. That said your in a good place to read and learn, their is plenty of good bros here who know their shit.

I've been training "seriously" for three years and have a solid diet. I completely transformed my body with my diet. I've been talking to a lot if guys about AAS and they all say I'm ready. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Supervette101]

I mean so many shots a week in all the dif areas. some of the bros on here are pinning quite frequently especially with the HCG added in the cycles

 

[BigBird]

Once full natural potential is reached, and only when full natural potential is reached, should use of AAS be considered. The best way I like to think of AAS is a tool to simply make you more of what you already are.

 

[alphabolic]

Once full natural potential is reached, and only when full natural potential is reached, should use of AAS be considered. The best way I like to think of AAS is a tool to simply make you more of what you already are.

i'd be willing to bet that roughly 80-90% of the steroid using population did not reach their max potential before starting aas. including a lot of professional BB'ers.

i think it depends more on the quality and consistency of one's diet & training along with the years of experience following these essential steps.

but the term "max potential" is subjective and open to some interpretation. look at what natural BB'ers like Layne Norton have done to reach their max potential. he's about the only "natural BB'er" who i truely believe to be natural. but his INCREDIBLY strict diet and training routine(s) along with his superior knowledge of the human body (PH-D in biochemistry), he was able to reach a level even some of the most dedicated natural BB'ers couldnt reach. your average gym goer does not have anywhere close to those kind of resources or time, so they can only make so much progress until they turn to aas. and hey, if they are old enough and plan it right, i say go for it.

 

[GMO]

A d-bol only cycle can work...IF you know what you are doing.

Problem is that 99% of people don't....

Personally, I always love a test base and use orals to enhance gains. Especially during sticking points. As soon as I hit eight weeks into my current cycle, I'm starting 50mg D-bol ED. Fuck you myostatin!

 

[Ravager]

Reversitol.... lol... where do I get that?