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Straps are for wusses
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Been there brother!
Actually, I'm there right now considering I'm getting married in 10 days. It only gets worse so do your best.
Been there brother!
lmao! Good luck and Congrats to you
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Really? Thats when I would use them.
But in essence, I dont see why the confusion. Straps have a purpose and it has been tested, tried, and true. I dont see why someone should never use straps, even if their hamstrings and back have more strength potential in a deadlift, lets say.
Ive done DIRECT forearm work and MAJOR grip strength to get my grip back up. And it actually takes longer to improve than it does my deadlifts or weighted pullups. Sorry, call me a pussy, but I dont want other workouts to suffer cuz of my grip. Not only does my grip wear out and possible let go, but I dont have the mind-body connection going on either when I worry about my grip.
Now, there are some people that use their straps for everything. I used to!
I certainly do not anymore and I never knew why I did. Its like these assholes that always wear belts. A belt for a bench press or a spider row? What the fuck? In fact, Mr Florida is one of these jerks. Using a belt for a smith machine incline press. I just dont get it.I use straps for weighted pullups, deads, and some rows. In my journal, I will always list when I use them and when I dont.
If I was training for a max dead why would I use straps considering you can't use straps in competition? Makes no sense training your max dead and not training your grip at the same time.
Very true.
Also, the only reason I use straps is because my grip fails over a period of time. For a 1RM I'm OK.
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When are you competing?
I'm not, and I don't train for max deadlift. That's why I use straps. However, if I was training for a max dead, don't you think I'd be cheating the numbers a bit by using straps?
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Simply put, no.
If you can deadlift 500lbs with straps. Then I come along and try the same weight and use straps, but cant get it. I cant say youre max is more than mine?
Belts can be classified the same way. I believe in competitions they allow belts, yet thats not cheating. In fact, I remember lifting more weight with my belt. I dont go for 1RM on squats anymore either (and its not cuase I cant).
A bench shirt is like straps too. Put it in the same situation, if you push more weight than I can, both wearing shirts, youre max is more than mine.
However, a bench shirt does a lot more than straps and is less common. The forearms are tiny compared to all the muscles the bench shirt aids. It would seem logical that a bench shirt can and cant be compared to straps.
If anything, for 1RM, I would list 1 max with straps, 1 max without straps.
If you can deadlift 500lbs with straps. Then I come along and try the same weight and use straps, but cant get it. I cant say youre max is more than mine?
Belts can be classified the same way. I believe in competitions they allow belts, yet thats not cheating. In fact, I remember lifting more weight with my belt. I dont go for 1RM on squats anymore either (and its not cuase I cant).
A bench shirt is like straps too. Put it in the same situation, if you push more weight than I can, both wearing shirts, youre max is more than mine.
However, a bench shirt does a lot more than straps and is less common. The forearms are tiny compared to all the muscles the bench shirt aids. It would seem logical that a bench shirt can and cant be compared to straps.
If anything, for 1RM, I would list 1 max with straps, 1 max without straps.
Basically you contradicted your first statement with your second. The bolded statement is the point I was making in the first place, you can't.
Bench Shirts and Belts are absolutely nothing like straps. Bench Shirts and belts can be used in competitions and straps can't. Straps are just a tool to assist in training, while the other 2 are gear that are part of the sport...
I can deadlift close to 500 lbs with straps and I'm just a cunt hair over 400 with straps. Why would I continue to train with straps when that is obviously holding me back?
I'm not comparing 2 athletes, I'm comparing 1 athlete's 2 lifts. I can pull more with straps than without, I think a majority of people can, that why you use them in the first place....
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I only use straps for RDLs and Shrugs.
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Basically you contradicted your first statement with your second. The bolded statement is the point I was making in the first place, you can't.
Bench Shirts and Belts are absolutely nothing like straps. Bench Shirts and belts can be used in competitions and straps can't. Straps are just a tool to assist in training, while the other 2 are gear that are part of the sport...
I can deadlift close to 500 lbs with straps and I'm just a cunt hair over 400 with straps. Why would I continue to train with straps when that is obviously holding me back?
I'm not comparing 2 athletes, I'm comparing 1 athlete's 2 lifts. I can pull more with straps than without, I think a majority of people can, that why you use them in the first place....
I contradicted my statement deliberatly, to elminate all possible arguments.
A bench shirt does more than aid, but I included that to be specific as possible.
A belt can be compared with straps more accurately in my opinion. Its an aid, like straps. This kind of goes back to the original question (way back when deads were discussed on which days to put them on), if I want to deadlift, I am more concerned about my hams, traps, erectors, etc than my grip. Its a broken leg and grips are the crutch.
However, this might be getting more complicated than it needs to be. I do still beleive that if I wanted a 1RM max, I would wear straps. Just as a person who does a 1RM (or a dead too) for squats, wears a belt.
A person wears a belt for a certain reason. If the person cannot lift the given weight without the belt, then the lift doesnt count. If the person can lift the weight with the belt, then they can lift that weight, thus is that person's max.
When youre talking about numbers, if you really really want ot be specific for the person that says "with or without straps?", then like I said before, have BOTH numbers ready.
Reminds me of people that ask what you squat...then follow up the answer with "how far do you go down." A number is just a number.
some people need to try and make themselves feel better because of other inadequacies in their lives, AK. im better than you because i dont use straps. im better than you because i do use straps. its all relative. grow up kids we dont all have to train the same and their are many roads to the same place.
i use straps for several things. im sure someone can do dead hang pullups with +90 pounds for sets and reps without straps, but i need straps for it.
i use straps for several things. im sure someone can do dead hang pullups with +90 pounds for sets and reps without straps, but i need straps for it.
I use straps for heavy DL, shrugs and rdl's. But who cares, seriously?
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Wow, long time no post!
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Yeah no shit. Like a Barbell Ninja, he throws out some weight-full reply, then disappears into the shadows..
I wouldn't use straps, but I am in for performance. If someone wants to use straps, that's their business. However, I do need to point out that you DON'T deadlift 600lbs if you can't do it without straps.
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Disagreed. Its a compound movement were talking about here. It isnt like swinging the weight of a barbell to get a curl rep in, there are other elements at play. Which is why a deadlift is a full body workout.
If you can deadlift a weight without straps, of course its a rep. But if you have to use straps, I cant see how in the world it wouldnt count.
Were talking 1 RM on deads here, not 1RM max on static barbell holds.
if you don't squat to parallel (or below), does it count? Nope.
If you bench press and don't touch your chest, does it count? Nope.
If you deadlifting with straps (something that takes away from the actual movement of picking the weight up...a crutch) should it count? Nope.
agree.
I used to care. Now I don't care so much if people want to use straps, if we are in an athletic setting.
Brad gillingham uses straps for his RDLs because he says he doesn't want his grip strenght to impeded his hamstring and glute development when he is doing reps.
Olympic lifters use straps on their clean and snatch pulls (I do too) because the amount of force that happens at the end of the pull as the bar goes back down to the groud is just to tough to hold onto rep after rep, set after set.
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Youre comparing full range of motion to an actual lift?
So do knee wraps eliminate a 1RM for squats? Now before you say that it doesnt enhance the lift, the lift-ee might say otherwise. If a person cannot do the lift without the straps it doesnt count. But if he can lift with them, I STILL cant think of it as too much of help.
Thats why I brought up bench shirts since the word "cheating" came up. Bench shirts = cheating...at least I think so. Its such a dramatic improvement over doing it raw, that I am surprised people even list such lifts.
Even if I tied the barbell to my wrists and used NO grip strength, if I go through a full range of motion of a conventional deadlift, I am going to count it. Theres just so much more at play during a deadlift other than grip.
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Lifting suited exists for a few reason:
Main reason being...it can prevent injuries. Most of the older benchers will lift equipped, especially on bench. That is due to past/potentional pectoral tears/shoulder problems. It lets them stay in the game.
Dave Tate once said in relation to the "raw vs. equipped" arguement something of the lines of, "It allows a greater aspect of skill to be entered into power lifting. You have to learn your suit and you have to learn how to tweak your form and training to get optimum potentional out of it."
You don't have to agree with that, I'm not sure I do, but just something to think about.
Also - in powerlifting there is raw and equipped. They don't just throw them all into one group and place their winners accordingly. Someone can choose to lift raw in an equipped meet, but that is of course, their choice.
When someone says they can bench "X" amount of weight, I would assume they would be distinct in saying "shirted" or "raw". Especially if you yourself were an experienced lifter. If they don't, you can just ask, I don't see the problem. I doubt it is something they are ashamed of.
I'm also a bit confused on how PL feds sanction their rules. Why knee wraps but no wrist straps? If it was up to me I'd probably scrap both of them. As far as I know knee wraps aren't for safety, just for better rebound.
There are some things like wrist wraps which I can definitely see being allowed in bench lifts for safety reasons.
I'm sure there is a history to all of this, I'd be interested to find out.
Main reason being...it can prevent injuries. Most of the older benchers will lift equipped, especially on bench. That is due to past/potentional pectoral tears/shoulder problems. It lets them stay in the game.
Dave Tate once said in relation to the "raw vs. equipped" arguement something of the lines of, "It allows a greater aspect of skill to be entered into power lifting. You have to learn your suit and you have to learn how to tweak your form and training to get optimum potentional out of it."
You don't have to agree with that, I'm not sure I do, but just something to think about.
Also - in powerlifting there is raw and equipped. They don't just throw them all into one group and place their winners accordingly. Someone can choose to lift raw in an equipped meet, but that is of course, their choice.
When someone says they can bench "X" amount of weight, I would assume they would be distinct in saying "shirted" or "raw". Especially if you yourself were an experienced lifter. If they don't, you can just ask, I don't see the problem. I doubt it is something they are ashamed of.
I'm also a bit confused on how PL feds sanction their rules. Why knee wraps but no wrist straps? If it was up to me I'd probably scrap both of them. As far as I know knee wraps aren't for safety, just for better rebound.
There are some things like wrist wraps which I can definitely see being allowed in bench lifts for safety reasons.
I'm sure there is a history to all of this, I'd be interested to find out.
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Are you retarded or something? What else would we be talking about strap for....
Idiots.
Your an idiot!
I can shrug 600lbs for good reps. I can't hold onto 600lbs, and I will use my straps. To say that I should shrug 200lbs less than what I can, because I can't hold onto it for 30 seconds is absurd.
If you are powerlifting, straps are out. If you are training to increase your backside strength for a sport or bodybuilding, straps are wonderful.
Grip strength is limited by a number of things, but it's safe to say that most people can't have their grip strength keep up with their back strenth.
The fool who started this thread would imply that it's OKAY to suppress your back strength for the sake of being "tough". Get the fuck outta here.
Grip strength is limited by a number of things, but it's safe to say that most people can't have their grip strength keep up with their back strenth.
The fool who started this thread would imply that it's OKAY to suppress your back strength for the sake of being "tough". Get the fuck outta here.
Seriously. If you can't hold onto the weight, you've got no damn business picking it up. Quit standind in front of the mirror adjusting your straps before you pretend to work out.
Idiots.
You're fucking stupid.
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