suggest a cycle

[cube789]

hello

well im gonna start my 3rd cycle anyday now and just wanted some opinions on what you would run and amounts given the material provided.

aim is to build mass with as little fat increase as possible ( I realise diet will be a big part of this and am changing it drastically )
2 previous cycles were - test only with orals at 750mg a week, then 600mg test and 600 eq a week again with orals

looking at 12-14 weeks

available to me -

Equipoise 300mg/ml
Test C 250mg/ml
Sust 350mg/ml
Tren a 80mg/ml (this will be ordered soon, can I add it later in the cycle ?)
Mast E 200mg/ml
Anavar
Halo

standard ai's, adex / asin, plus standard PCT with clomid and asin

Never tried sust or tren, and was hoping to somehow incorporate that into this cycle. Maybe start with sust for a few weeks then switch to test and tren ? Or is that just ridiculous and I should save the sust for a later date ?

any input is appreciated

thanks !

 

[Keyser Soze]

Equipoise takes forever to kick in and the same with test c. I am a huge sust fan. So i wold go for sust and mast. And maybe stack that cycle with anavar. My cycle idea looks like this

week 1-12 sust 700mg aw.

week 1-12 mast 400-600mg aw.

week 3-12 var 60-80mg ed. (or 5-12)


A great summer cycle with limited side effects. I can not use tren its to hard on my body. (Insomini,high bp,night sweats and the list goes on.

 

[ctr10]

The Donkey recommends limiting the amout of test with Tren to limit sides, I have took his advice and agree

 

[jay_steel]

300 sust
160 tren eod (if its 80mg)
600 mast
70-100 var
last 3 weeks 15mg halo

 

[D-Lats]

1-16 sust 750mg a week
1-16 eq 600mg a week
10-16 var 100mg a day
10-16 tren 80mg eod
bulk at the start and shred to finish it off.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

What's your Bf% using mast and Halo will do nothing for you if your over 10% Stats Please?

 

[Goodskie]

300 sust
160 tren eod (if its 80mg)
600 mast
70-100 var
last 3 weeks 15mg halo

This but I'd do the tren Ed and I didn't notice anything from mast.

 

[Keyser Soze]

This but I'd do the tren Ed and I didn't notice anything from mast.

No strength,pump and veins popping up from using mast ??

 

[cube789]

What's your Bf% using mast and Halo will do nothing for you if your over 10% Stats Please?

sorry, made a newb mistake
33yrs old, 5'10, 218lbs, if Im honest 15-17%bf

defo gonna skip the mast, for those reasons and i dont really wanna lose any more hair : (, shouldnt ave put that in there really

thank you kindly everyone for the suggestions so far

 

[hypo_glycemic]

Masterone works very well at a lower body fat.. I like Prop, Mast, Tren, 2 IU of Rips t-3.. That's my cutter right now 5 weeks out

Using Formeron and Caber as well..

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

sorry, made a newb mistake
33yrs old, 5'10, 218lbs, if Im honest 15-17%bf

defo gonna skip the mast, for those reasons and i dont really wanna lose any more hair : (, shouldnt ave put that in there really

thank you kindly everyone for the suggestions so far

Bearing this in mind, and your goals. Ill give you 2 examples. 1 of which you can just use what you already have, and the other if you're open to grabbing a few extra things. For one I hate sust so I can't recommend using it, to many esters, and its difficult to really make sure your levels are stable, unless your fine with pinning ed.

So

#1 What you have
1-15 Test Cyp 500mg/wk
1-15 EQ 750mg/wk
3-11 Anavar 100mg/ed


OR! Ideally 2 Run n Gun Cycles each one has its own porpoise, Start Test Cyp at 200mg/wk from week 1 and through the whole 2 cycle and breaks, then PCT at the end. Do at least 3 sessions fasted HIIT cardio weekly

1-6 Test Prop 75mg/ed or 150mg/eod ( or sust i guess :-( )
1-6 NPP 100mg/eod
1-5 Cytostane 2 caps/ed
3-6 Clen 75-120mcg/ed

4 weeks off, Continue trt dose, Continue 3-4 sessions hiit cardio weekly eating clean


1-6 Test Prop 50mg/ed or 100mg/eod
1-6 Tren Ace 75mg/ed or 150mg/eod
1-6 Var 100mg/ed
2-6 Clen 75-120mcg/ed
T3 Protocol ( Optional ) Starting week 1
Day 1-3 25mcg Daily
Day 4-7 50mcg Daily
Day 8-11 75mcg Daily
Day 12-24 100mcg Daily
Day 25-27 75mcg Daily
Day 28-31 50mcg Daily
Day 32-35 25mcg Daily

4 days after last inject Start PCT

Of course through both cycles and break, use Aromasin, Formeron, or Adex, and Caber @ .5mg Twice weekly while on both blasts.

Doing the 2 shorter cycles will keep your myostatin levels at bay, ensuring quality continuous gains. also a nice heft dose of Vitamin C of 5000mg Daily will also aid in decreasing cortisol levels. which in turn can provide great benefits to staying lean.

 

[jay_steel]

^^^ thats well broken down.. I run propecia with most cycles and nioxin and have not had any hair issues yet and ran mast at 700 with my last cycle. Drol makes my hair fall out the most. I was pulling clumps out, zero issues since. Mast is by far my fav other then tren for cutting. I could not believe the dry look of my forearms when i was on it and vains going through my abs.

With that amount of bf honestly, I would look into

test, tren, win. Good diet and lots of cardio. Var is expensive and at your BF i dont feel its really going to do you that much justice. I honestly did not like var until I hit 7% bf. I ran it once at 10% and was not satisfied. Ran the same var at 7% and was mind blown.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

^^^ thats well broken down.. I run propecia with most cycles and nioxin and have not had any hair issues yet and ran mast at 700 with my last cycle. Drol makes my hair fall out the most. I was pulling clumps out, zero issues since. Mast is by far my fav other then tren for cutting. I could not believe the dry look of my forearms when i was on it and vains going through my abs.

With that amount of bf honestly, I would look into

test, tren, win. Good diet and lots of cardio. Var is expensive and at your BF i dont feel its really going to do you that much justice. I honestly did not like var until I hit 7% bf. I ran it once at 10% and was not satisfied. Ran the same var at 7% and was mind blown.

yes sir, Var needs be used at a lower bf% so assuming all goes well after the first blast as you should lose 2-4% bf% maybe more if your really dedicated, the var will work better in the second, thats exactly why I placed it in the second blast

 

[Goodskie]

No strength,pump and veins popping up from using mast ??

I wasn't very lean. Maybe id like it otherwise. I don't do shows tho so I don't care about being extra dry and lean. Just big and 6 pack. I don't need ass striations

 

[jay_steel]

I wasn't very lean. Maybe id like it otherwise. I don't do shows tho so I don't care about being extra dry and lean. Just big and 6 pack. I don't need ass striations

i get the best gains period from tren dbol proviron test. I dont get bloat due to tren and proviron where dbol gives me that uncanny size and strength, but my abs do pop good at 12-14% still

 

[dieseljimmy]

sorry, made a newb mistake
33yrs old, 5'10, 218lbs, if Im honest 15-17%bf

defo gonna skip the mast, for those reasons and i dont really wanna lose any more hair : (, shouldnt ave put that in there really

thank you kindly everyone for the suggestions so far

i don't want to be like this... But I lose more hair on tren then mast... I have had a lot if success with sust and mast. And if you have access to halo... I have had great success with halo just a a preworkout drug.

 

[cube789]

I was afraid of that with the tren : (
would it make a difference if it were a low dosage ?

and thanks again for all the advice everyone, given me alot to think about this week end.
this is why IM is the best forum in the world : )

 

[dsc123]

Test, tren and winny!!

 

[dsc123]

Or keep it a bit more simpler as its only your 3rd cycle and you've not tried tren yet, with low test and high tren!

 

[Keyser Soze]

Or keep it a bit more simpler as its only your 3rd cycle and you've not tried tren yet, with low test and high tren!

If its his first go with tren why do high mg ??

 

[theCaptn']

If you want size without the sides, cant argue with test-deca-dbol. It's a simple, classic bulker.

This is how I'd run it:

wk 1-10 Test C or E: 750mg
wk 11-14 Test C or E: 1,000mg
wk 1-10 deca 400mg
wk 1-5 dbol 50mg ED

and damn it, run the dbol again wk 11-14 or 13-16 while your test clears.

you'll probably need your aromasin at 25mg ED for these compounds, but you could start at EOD and see how you go.

Good luck man, hope you log whatever you decide to run!

 

[cube789]

thanks Cap!

 

[Keyser Soze]

If you want size without the sides, cant argue with test-deca-dbol. It's a simple, classic bulker.

This is how I'd run it:

wk 1-10 Test C or E: 750mg
wk 11-14 Test C or E: 1,000mg
wk 1-10 deca 400mg
wk 1-5 dbol 50mg ED

and damn it, run the dbol again wk 11-14 or 13-16 while your test clears.

you'll probably need your aromasin at 25mg ED for these compounds, but you could start at EOD and see how you go.

Good luck man, hope you log whatever you decide to run!

I love this cycle my self. But maybe not so perfect for a summer cycle. Now thinking about bloat from dbol and deca. But strength pump and size will all be there :-@

 

[theCaptn']

I love this cycle my self. But maybe not so perfect for a summer cycle. Now thinking about bloat from dbol and deca. But strength pump and size will all be there :-@

Bloat? That's what AIs are for nikos_

 

[Keyser Soze]

Yes i agree to that bro. But im no huge fan doing them AI's if i not need them. Think the gear works better with out. Now thinking about drive and strength !!

 

[dieseljimmy]

I was afraid of that with the tren : (
would it make a difference if it were a low dosage ?

and thanks again for all the advice everyone, given me alot to think about this week end.
this is why IM is the best forum in the world : )

Tren A and me are bros at 350 mg. I don't see the hair loss or other tren sides. But over that... I'm a cranky, sweaty, red faced, inflamed prostrate, hair line receding MFer.

 

[heavylifting1]

Good choices

If you want size without the sides, cant argue with test-deca-dbol. It's a simple, classic bulker.

This is how I'd run it:

wk 1-10 Test C or E: 750mg
wk 11-14 Test C or E: 1,000mg
wk 1-10 deca 400mg
wk 1-5 dbol 50mg ED

and damn it, run the dbol again wk 11-14 or 13-16 while your test clears.

you'll probably need your aromasin at 25mg ED for these compounds, but you could start at EOD and see how you go.

Good luck man, hope you log whatever you decide to run!

 

[dsc123]

If its his first go with tren why do high mg ??

I didn't mean high tren, but higher than test as most report less sides. For example test p 315 mg pw and tren a 385 pw.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I didn't mean high tren, but higher than test as most report less sides. For example test p 315 mg pw and tren a 385 pw.

70mg up on the tren ha

 

[s2h]

What's your Bf% using mast and Halo will do nothing for you if your over 10% Stats Please?

It will do something for you...of course they are steroids...you just might not be able to see what its doing..