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my son has seen all the advertising for supplements in various body building magazines. he is 13 and getting into lifting for power and physical appeareance. i tell him that he really doesn't need them now. any beta either way will be appreciated.:confused:
 
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All he needs at his age is a proper weight training program...this should be developed by a professional, alot of good food, and good sleeping habits.

I gained 40 pounds of muscle before I took my first supplement!
 
As gopro said, at that age he does not need supplements, except maybe a multi-vitamin/mineral.

Also, I think that 13 is too young to lift weights. I would not allow him to do anything more than push-ups and pull-ups at that age.
 
Well, I train several kids in the 11-14 range, and they do very well. This is why it is important to have a professional trainer, experienced in working with kids, by his/her side at each workout or at the very least, in the beginning so he/she can learn proper form, proper exercise selection, proper resistence parameters, etc.
 
Im no doctor or trainer but from most research ive seen is kids should stick to a proper diet during the growing years. A proper diet isnt a diet diet. Its just the right amounts of foods and stuff. If he needs anything extra check with your personal doctor first. Other than that maybe a multi-vit for kids but CONSULT a doctor first. (cant stress that enough:) )
Good Luck
 
Originally posted by Prince
As gopro said, at that age he does not need supplements, except maybe a multi-vitamin/mineral.

Also, I think that 13 is too young to lift weights. I would not allow him to do anything more than push-ups and pull-ups at that age.


why do you say that prince?
 
at the last touch n go bp comp we went to a 13 y/o girl hit 75# :lifter: she was very proud:clap: i 'm letting my son lift. i'm also letting him read the comments here. he is just like any teen :evil: he will listen to others before he will listen to dad. so help me convince him he's too young for supplements. thanx:thumb:
 
Originally posted by Mystic Eric

why do you say that Prince?

Because their bodies/bones are still growing and I do not think that putting more pressure, other than their bodyweight, is healthy.

I would say 16 years old is a good time to begin weight training.
 
waiting to try supplements is a good idea,let the body grow on its own for awhile...but the best thing to do is READ UP ON THE ONES YOU WANT HIM TO TAKE AND LET HIM READ IT AS WELL,learn the right way to take every thing,young kids are so overwhelmed with this stuff they think more is better...its good that your helping him. :thumb:
 
Originally posted by Prince


Because their bodies/bones are still growing and I do not think that putting more pressure, other than their bodyweight, is healthy.

I would say 16 years old is a good time to begin weight training.



Youth Resistance Training

It is the current position of the NSCA that:

1. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program is safe for children.

2. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can increase the strength of children.

3. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can help to enhance the motor fitness skills and sports performance of children.

4. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can help to prevent injuries in youth sports and recreational activities.

5. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can help to improve the psychosocial well-being of children.

6. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can enhance the overall health of children.
 
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Originally posted by Mystic Eric
Youth Resistance Training

It is the current position of the NSCA that:

1. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program is safe for children.

2. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can increase the strength of children.

3. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can help to enhance the motor fitness skills and sports performance of children.

4. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can help to prevent injuries in youth sports and recreational activities.

5. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can help to improve the psychosocial well-being of children.

6. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can enhance the overall health of children.

So what? :confused:

I disagree.
 
Originally posted by Prince


So what? :confused:

I disagree.


Prince, that is the worst form of argument anyone can use. Merely saying, "I disagree" without providing any facts. You say that weight lifting puts 'pressure on the bones', well that actually helps strengthen the bones and induces growth. Please give me some scientific evidence that lifting weights as a young age hinders growth. It is merely a wive's tail rumor just like masturbating makes you blind. Like go pro says, as long as the child is supervised, and is given a correct program and taught proper form, then it will be safe, and will be productive for the child's health.
 
that is the worst form of argument anyone can use. Merely saying, "I disagree" without providing any facts.

I did give you my reasons for disagreeing, read my previous posts.

I believe that physical fitness is very important for children, I just do not believe they should be using weights. Any exercise where thier own bodyweight is the resistence, such as a push-up, is fine.

No, I did not offer any scientific evidence, but neither did you! :)

That's all I will say on this. If you do not think that my argument is valid, that's fine.
 
Prince, i do not argue with you because i am trying to rankle you. I merely just don't want you to give out false information. You see, i will find some scientific facts to back up my argument. But however, i did find opinions to back up my argument. And it's not just anybody's opinion, it's the NSCA's. It's funny how you disagreed with all the points of the NSCA's. If you don't want to listen to their opinion, nor mine, you should perhaps listen to your own mod's opinion, Go Pro as he seems to be for resistance training for kids if done properly.

Oh, by the way, you said you did give me your reasons. Well merely saying, and i quote, "Because their bodies/bones are still growing and I do not think that putting more pressure, other than their bodyweight, is healthy." is a weak argument. Why do you think it's not healthy? I told you that putting moderate pressure on bones ACTUALLY strengthens the bone, and helps it grow properly. Anyways, you can go back to your, "Well i don't believe it's good because I said so" approach. But we will let the readers make their own judgements based on our points presented. I hope that Go Pro will have something to add to this, and as well, I will find some people to comment on this as well.
 
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Originally posted by Mystic Eric
Prince, i do not argue with you because i am trying to rankle you. I merely just don't want you to give out false information.

False information? I merely stated my OPINION.
Definition:

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n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence, but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.

It's funny how you disagreed with all the points of the NSCA's.
What I disagree with is children lifting weights.

If you don't want to listen to their opinion, nor mine, you should perhaps listen to your own mod's opinion, Go Pro as he seems to be for resistance training for kids if done properly.
That's gopro's opinion and he's entitled to it.

But we will let the readers make their own judgements based on our points presented. I hope that Go Pro will have something to add to this, and as well, I will find some people to comment on this as well.
Okay, that's what discussion boards are all about, right?

Here is some better reasoning for my opinion on this:

A prepubescent athlete is defined as a male or female up to the age of 15 or 16 years of age, who has not yet developed secondary sex characteristics according to the Tanner's classification system. An adolescent is a boy or girl from the beginning of secondary sex characteristics (puberty) to adulthood.

In deciding if strength training should be used as a training method for prepubescents and adolescents one must understand that the child's body is different from an adult's body, a child is not a miniature adult. The child has systems that are developing, and while the child's body is developing, his/her systems in many cases are at a greater risk of injury.

One such system is the skeletal system. Prepubescents and adolescents because their bones have not matured are subject to a special group of injuries involving the growth centers of bones. Growth centers of long bones are called the Epiphysis. The Epiphysis can be divided into two categories - pressure and traction Epiphysis. Pressure Epiphysis relates to growth of long bones and are found at the ends of long bones. Traction Epiphysis or Appohysis insertion, are located at the attachment of certain tendon to bones.

There have been several reports of epiphyseal fractures in young weight lifters. But the reports documented secured during poorly performed overhead lifts, at near maximal resistances. According to the NSCA (National Strength and conditioning Association) there have been no reports of growth plate fractures secondary to a supervised strength training program. Most injuries to the epiphysis are not inherent to strengthening, Some well accepted athletic activities have had documented cases epiphyseal injuries, even to the point of becoming associated with the sport: i.e. little league elbow, a condition brought on from the repetitive stress of pitching causing the epiphyseal plate to be avulsed (pulled away for the rest of the bone)

Some other conditions that a prepubescent and adolescent children may be exposed to could include hypertension with loss of consciousness, and psychological damage. Hypertension and loss of consciousness (weight lifters blackout), is associated with maximum efforts without breathing (valsalva maneuver). This condition not limited to children. Proper consultation on breathing while lifting can avoid this condition.

by Neal Sand, MS, ATC, C.S.C. S.



I want to reitterate that there is no black or white answer to this. There is a lot of grey area in bodybuilding, and this is one if them. Just like anything, look at all of the information and make a choice that suits you. My choice is that children should not lift weights. If you or anyone else want to to allow your children to train with weights, then that's your decision.
 
Prince, did you even read the content of that last post? It just destroyed your argument. Oh, wait, you didn't have an argument. You had an opinion.

I agree with Eric. Moderate, supervised weight training can actually be beneficial for younger athletes... muscle growth, increased bone density, strengthening of ligaments, etc., are all good things as far as I'm concerned. Telling younger athletes to do nothing but push ups and sit ups is ridiculous. The key here is moderation. Form must be emphasized, ballistic lifts and plyometrics should, IMO, not be used, but there are absolutely no absolute contraindications.

But right, the science doesn't matter.

I disagree with you, and I think you're a poopyhead. That's just my opinion.
 
Originally posted by Prince


Here is some better reasoning for my opinion on this:



There have been several reports of epiphyseal fractures in young weight lifters. But the reports documented secured during poorly performed overhead lifts, at near maximal resistances. According to the NSCA (National Strength and conditioning Association) there have been no reports of growth plate fractures secondary to a supervised strength training program. Most injuries to the epiphysis are not inherent to strengthening, Some well accepted athletic activities have had documented cases epiphyseal injuries, even to the point of becoming associated with the sport: i.e. little league elbow, a condition brought on from the repetitive stress of pitching causing the epiphyseal plate to be avulsed (pulled away for the rest of the bone)

Some other conditions that a prepubescent and adolescent children may be exposed to could include hypertension with loss of consciousness, and psychological damage. Hypertension and loss of consciousness (weight lifters blackout), is associated with maximum efforts without breathing (valsalva maneuver). This condition not limited to children. Proper consultation on breathing while lifting can avoid this condition.

by Neal Sand, MS, ATC, C.S.C. S.



I want to reitterate that there is no black or white answer to this. There is a lot of grey area in bodybuilding, and this is one if them. Just like anything, look at all of the information and make a choice that suits you. My choice is that children should not lift weights. If you or anyone else want to to allow your children to train with weights, then that's your decision.


*****Prince, did you just see that that piece of literature that you posted contradicted everything that you believe on this issue?

"There have been several reports of epiphyseal fractures in young weight lifters. But the reports documented secured during poorly performed overhead lifts, at near maximal resistances"

*****Notice how this writer said "poorly performed overhead lifts, at near maximal resistances" meaning that kids need supervision and a correct program; all of which i have been saying along, as well with my earlier piece of literature.

"According to the NSCA (National Strength and conditioning Association) there have been no reports of growth plate fractures secondary to a supervised strength training program. "

*****'Nuff said

"Most injuries to the epiphysis are not inherent to strengthening, Some well accepted athletic activities have had documented cases epiphyseal injuries, even to the point of becoming associated with the sport: i.e. little league elbow, a condition brought on from the repetitive stress of pitching causing the epiphyseal plate to be avulsed (pulled away for the rest of the bone)"

*****Prince anything done incorrectly is harmful. So with your logic, all kids in the world should stop playing baseball, basketball, football and every other sport because it has potential to damage their epiphysis. Like your article said, "Most injuries to the epiphysis are not inherent to strengthening, Some well accepted athletic activities have had documented cases epiphyseal injuries, even to the point of becoming associated with the sport: i.e. little league elbow" meaning that these injuries sustained to the epiphysis are also due to sport. I guess all kids in the world should terminate all activities of sport in fear of doing something incorrectly and injuring themselves just like with lifting weights eh? :rolleyes:

"Some other conditions that a prepubescent and adolescent children may be exposed to could include hypertension with loss of consciousness, and psychological damage. Hypertension and loss of consciousness (weight lifters blackout), is associated with maximum efforts without breathing (valsalva maneuver). This condition not limited to children. Proper consultation on breathing while lifting can avoid this condition."

*****Hmmmm, i guess since adults can also experience hypertension and loss of consciousness, adults should stop lifting as well??? Oh wait, "Proper consultation on breathing while lifting can avoid this condition."


*****Prince, i don't know why you put in that article, because it only strengthens my argument. The fact of the matter is this, kids can lift weights if they are properly supervised, given a correct program and taught how to do the exercises properly. It seems that your article proves my points yet again.
 
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