SUSTENON 250 good or bad?

[JCBourne]

Plenty of people have done first cycles with just 250 of sust a week ate right and had great gains.

back in the old days first cycles were 250mg of test and plenty of food and people grew.

Well that is a low dose. If i'm going to shut my body down, I'm going to do a cycle thats worth doing. Some many respond to 250mg, however not all will. Now 500mg of test e as a first cycle, I haven't found a thread yet where they didn't get good results (unless it was fake/underdosed)

Ontop of that sus is a 4 ester mix, what if you react bad? You won't know which ester it is.

Also, deca for a first cycle? For real man, seriously?

 

[Tyler3295]

... Ontop of that sus is a 4 ester mix, what if you react bad? You won't know which ester it is. ...

I'm pretty sure it's the COMPOUND that may react bad to you. Not the ester attached to it. Since sust is a version of test, it is still a test only cycle..

 

[Frank7919]

Hey guys I totaly agree that sust is not the way to go on the first cycle. I'm on a sust cycle right know and this is my first cycle I'm at the end of 7 weeks I've done every thing right to get great gains but there just not there . Don't get me wrong I have some gains but friends that have done test c or e say that it was a bad choice for a first cycle. I didn't get the same mass as I would from c or e. Oh yeah Im pining twice a week mon. And thurs. 500mg

 

[richieboy]

cant beat sus and deca , keep it simple find what works for you.Dont abuse the diet and train hard, its all a learning curve. initially i would stick to the basics , stay safe

 

[Tyler3295]

cant beat sus and deca , keep it simple find what works for you.Dont abuse the diet and train hard, its all a learning curve. initially i would stick to the basics , stay safe

cyp (or enanth)/deca generally beats sust/deca.

 

[Arnold]

cyp (or enanth)/deca generally beats sust/deca.

depends on the individual, I use all three Cyp, Sust and Deca together.

 

[sonofsam1975]

whats horriable what it !!!....its better to start a cycle on a low dose than do what they use to do 25 years .ive seen guys take 3 cc's cyp just to shock there systems this are the guys who have all the problems today . remember your body needs to get use to having the extra test in your system .this doesnt happen over night .

 

[theCaptn']

depends on the individual, I use all three Cyp, Sust and Deca together.

prop-sus-deca

 

[dippa66]

So, I was going to start 1 sus 250 / week, and I am already on HGH.
What test should I be taking to get the best results combined with my HGH?
I have never taken anything before, other than starting on HGH 4 weeks ago.
I get me HGH from my doc, and he will give me sust, unless I can suggest something else.
Can you please give me the full name, some of your abbreviations are a little hard for a newbie

 

[VictorZ06]

So, I was going to start 1 sus 250 / week, and I am already on HGH.
What test should I be taking to get the best results combined with my HGH?
I have never taken anything before, other than starting on HGH 4 weeks ago.
I get me HGH from my doc, and he will give me sust, unless I can suggest something else.
Can you please give me the full name, some of your abbreviations are a little hard for a newbie

Ugh...HGH and AAS are two completely different things. How much HGH are you taking? What are your stats? (bf%, age, weight, height, etc.). Sounds like you need to do a LOT of homework bro.

And like I said before, sust at 250mg a week is foolish. If you insist on keeping it that low, use a single ester test instead of sust. I would suggest testosterone enan or testosterone cyp....and that's only IF you are a valid candidate for AAS. Post your stats and we'll tell you.


/V

 

[JW_HRT]

So, I was going to start 1 sus 250 / week, and I am already on HGH.
What test should I be taking to get the best results combined with my HGH?
I have never taken anything before, other than starting on HGH 4 weeks ago.
I get me HGH from my doc, and he will give me sust, unless I can suggest something else.
Can you please give me the full name, some of your abbreviations are a little hard for a newbie

250mg 375mg is perfectly fine if you have not used in the past. There are many different opinions to this as you can already tell.

Now if it were me i would go with some enanthate and your HGH. Since this is coming from your doctor is he doing all the proper blood work for you?

like the mod said,, give us your stats.

 

[JW_HRT]

You fail to see the science behind this. If you understood how sust works, you would not suggest using a mere 250mg a week. There are plenty of threads that go into great detail about this. Use the search feature and read all the threads, than you might understand why sust is a poor choice to begin with, as well as the low 250mg e/w dose.

If you take sust at 250mg e/w, you are sure to experience blood plasma levels flux, and that's a no no. You want to keep all levels even at all times. With sust, the shorter esters will work, than stop, work, than stop (@ 250mg e/w). This would not be the case with enan, cyp, or prop, for example. It's all about timing and understanding the science behind esters (timing, half lives, etc.).



/V

Vic i think due to my line of work you can appreciate that i know how the drugs work. I do not believe that 250mg of sust is a waste especially with a first time user. I do how ever agree that cyp or enan would be a better choice for him. Now what we might see in paper regarding SUST at lower dosages does not mean it is not going to work.

When sus came out it was used in HRT so that patients would only take one shot per month due to the long acting ester of decanoate

NOW I DO NOT agree with that protocol 1ml of sus a month is no good not even for HRT.

i know for a fact that 250mg of sust will give the user good results on a first cycle provided they do what they are supposed to do with training and diets. Why do i know this? Because i have seen it with my own two eyes and have done it in my past. There are others here who agree as well as you can see by a few post.

 

[Tyler3295]

depends on the individual, I use all three Cyp, Sust and Deca together.

Yep, that's why I included the word "generally".

 

[VictorZ06]

Vic i think due to my line of work you can appreciate that i know how the drugs work. I do not believe that 250mg of sust is a waste especially with a first time user. I do how ever agree that cyp or enan would be a better choice for him. Now what we might see in paper regarding SUST at lower dosages does not mean it is not going to work.

When sus came out it was used in HRT so that patients would only take one shot per month due to the long acting ester of decanoate

NOW I DO NOT agree with that protocol 1ml of sus a month is no good not even for HRT.

i know for a fact that 250mg of sust will give the user good results on a first cycle provided they do what they are supposed to do with training and diets. Why do i know this? Because i have seen it with my own two eyes and have done it in my past. There are others here who agree as well as you can see by a few post.

I'll try and put it in simpler terms since we are almost on the same page here. Yes, a novice user will def notice something off of 250mg of sust ew because he is still shutting down his own natural test production. I've seen some first timers respond well off of 250mg of test e e/w.

The issue about taking SUST at 250mg ew is that one is wasting part of the compound, and that your plasma levels will flux up and down during the cycle. So you are not really getting a full 250mg ew. On a first cycle, you may not (and usually don't) realize what's going on behind the scene. Will sust work at 250mg ew? For some....yes. Would I recommend it? No way....I know better.


/V

 

[JW_HRT]

I'll try and put it in simpler terms since we are almost on the same page here. Yes, a novice user will def notice something off of 250mg of sust ew because he is still shutting down his own natural test production. I've seen some first timers respond well off of 250mg of test e e/w.

The issue about taking SUST at 250mg ew is that one is wasting part of the compound, and that your plasma levels will flux up and down during the cycle. So you are not really getting a full 250mg ew. On a first cycle, you may not (and usually don't) realize what's going on behind the scene. Will sust work at 250mg ew? For some....yes. Would I recommend it? No way....I know better.


/V

well what do you know i think we found a common ground

 

[dippa66]

Im 43 y.o, been training on and off for 20 years, have been hitting it hard the last 12 months 5'8'', 175lb now (started at 160), b.f. @ 15%.
My testost. was on the low side when tested, so getting a suplement dose wont be a problem.
As for AAS, you guys dont seem to understand how hard it is down here to get ANYTHING, its easier to get, coke, heroin or ecstasy and meth is for sale on every street corner, but mention steroids and everybody runs!!.
So we have to take what we can get i.e. low dose HGH and Sustanon.

 

[sonofsam1975]

the way sustenon 250 works , first theres a fast acting test propianate second there's test decanate three theres test phenlynate and forth test cypianate the last three test last about 7 to 10 days (fact ) so i shot of sustenon 250 once every seven th day is about right , hell i know pro's that take three sustenon 250 and equpoise three times a week , do the math thats 9 amps of sustenon thats 2,250 mgs of that and three hundred mgs of the equpoise . thats crazy .

 

[sonofsam1975]

your in the land down under i feel for you brother but you can get if you look hard enough

 

[Tyler3295]

the way sustenon 250 works , first theres a fast acting test propianate second there's test decanate three theres test phenlynate and forth test cypianate the last three test last about 7 to 10 days (fact ) so i shot of sustenon 250 once every seven th day is about right , hell i know pro's that take three sustenon 250 and equpoise three times a week , do the math thats 9 amps of sustenon thats 2,250 mgs of that and three hundred mgs of the equpoise . thats crazy .

If I were running sust only (with no other form of test) I would inject it at least E3D. Preferably EOD since the prop ester is in there.

 

[unclem]

my first cycle was omnadren 250 2xs a wk 1 pin on mon and 1 pin on thurs for 12 weeks and d-bol 20mg ed for 8 weeks made awesome gains. but i have used 2gr of sust a week and made awesome progress. i get strong off of everything but test e it just bloats me up but doesnt add that much strength. test cyp is great. if u do sustanon do at least 500mg wk 2xs a wk pin. imo

 

[theCaptn']

you find a difference btw Cyp and Enanth?