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Swiper . . how does he do it?

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Really impressive physique Swiper. Congratulations :)

I have two questions for you...

1) What is your opinion on high tren, low test protocol for growing purpose ?

2) What is the most effective chemical combo you tried ? Test, tren, deca, drol ? More testosterone only ? ;)

Have a nice day :-)
 
Rayzen said:
Really impressive physique Swiper. Congratulations :)

I have two questions for you...

1) What is your opinion on high tren, low test protocol for growing purpose ?

2) What is the most effective chemical combo you tried ? Test, tren, deca, drol ? More testosterone only ? ;)

Have a nice day :-)
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thx

I've never tried low test high tren so I really don't have an opinion but I wouldn't run it that way for growth. Seems to me that would be more of a cutting cycle.

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Swiper said:
thx

I've never tried low test high tren so I really don't have an opinion but I wouldn't run it that way for growth. Seems to me that would be more of a cutting cycle.

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Thank you Swiper. :)
 
Swiper said:
I've been on so long I'm use to the anxiety, it's not real bad, I've learned to deal with it. it's mainly just social anxiety.


I wonder if your Adex was underdosed or you just don't respond well to it. without Adex my e2 was 200 on 2g of test ew , and taking .5mg m,w,f took it down to 20. I just got some pharma grade 1mg Adex. I'm now taking 1mg on Mondays and thurdays. I'll eventually get BW to see where that puts me.
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Gotcha...I have anxiety on nothing so AAS just amplifies it for me. My Adex is from a US pharmacy so I suppose I am not as responsive. 1mg on Monday and Thursday had my E at like 49, or whatever 1 point away from being high is. Right now on nothing my E is 21.

Out of curiosity when you decide to no longer cycle or super cruise what kind of size do you anticipate you will retain on natty or a more reasonable HRT dose?
 
Swiper's choice - high dose testosterone - seems to be ideal in term of pure anabolic potency.

I've seen two studies / experiments concerning testosterone versus others AAS (which on paper, are more anabolic than testosterone) at different dosages :

http://www.team-andro.com/trenbolon-wie-androgen.html (On rats)

http://www.ergo-log.com/nantest.html (On humans)

High dose testosterone seems to be more anabolic than high dose trenbolone, but the latter has a lot less impact on prostate hypertrophy.

A interresting thing would be to compare stacking various compounds versus using testosterone only.

Like : 500 mg of trenbolone & 1,000 mg of testosterone VERSUS 1,500 mg of testosterone :-)

Now I think that the goal is not to know that high dose testosterone is maybe ideal in term of anabolic potency, but the goal is to know how to mimic this anabolic potency with less side effects (specially on prostate) using various AAS.

I would really be interrested to hear Mike Arnold opinion about that.
 
TrojanMan60563 said:
Gotcha...I have anxiety on nothing so AAS just amplifies it for me. My Adex is from a US pharmacy so I suppose I am not as responsive. 1mg on Monday and Thursday had my E at like 49, or whatever 1 point away from being high is. Right now on nothing my E is 21.

Out of curiosity when you decide to no longer cycle or super cruise what kind of size do you anticipate you will retain on natty or a more reasonable HRT dose?
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that's weird.


not sure I'll go down to a low cruise dose ever. but if I did I think I'd still be bigger than average because when I was natural I was.
 
Rayzen said:
Swiper's choice - high dose testosterone - seems to be ideal in term of pure anabolic potency.

I've seen two studies / experiments concerning testosterone versus others AAS (which on paper, are more anabolic than testosterone) at different dosages :

http://www.team-andro.com/trenbolon-wie-androgen.html (On rats)

http://www.ergo-log.com/nantest.html (On humans)

High dose testosterone seems to be more anabolic than high dose trenbolone, but the latter has a lot less impact on prostate hypertrophy.

A interresting thing would be to compare stacking various compounds versus using testosterone only.

Like : 500 mg of trenbolone & 1,000 mg of testosterone VERSUS 1,500 mg of testosterone :-)

Now I think that the goal is not to know that high dose testosterone is maybe ideal in term of anabolic potency, but the goal is to know how to mimic this anabolic potency with less side effects (specially on prostate) using various AAS.

I would really be interrested to hear Mike Arnold opinion about that.
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thx for the info.

it's mainly my cruise that is high dose test. my cycles are moderate to high test with anabolics.
 
Swiper said:
that's weird.


not sure I'll go down to a low cruise dose ever. but if I did I think I'd still be bigger than average because when I was natural I was.
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Do you know what your HDL was before you ever took anything? I have low HDL too usually between 25-35. I can't seem to raise it, and its always lower on gear even though I workout more when I'm on something. Just curious if your low HDL is also from the gear use.
 
I have read about your T3 use, do you run it all year round or just during heavy blasts?
 
TrojanMan60563 said:
Do you know what your HDL was before you ever took anything? I have low HDL too usually between 25-35. I can't seem to raise it, and its always lower on gear even though I workout more when I'm on something. Just curious if your low HDL is also from the gear use.
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I don't know. never had it checked back then. have you tried niacin and fish oil? thats suppose to help raise hdl.
 
Dannie said:
I have read about your T3 use, do you run it all year round or just during heavy blasts?
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I did run it year-round but I don't anymore I stopped and haven't started back up. I'll run it again during my next cycle.
 
swiper you are FAWKING HYOOOOOGE! lol What were some of your first cycles like as an amateur to gear ? i mean you didnt just stat at 2 grams of test year really young. obviously you took years to build that level of gear usage to maintain that incredible build/ physique.
 
TrojanMan60563 said:
Do you know what your HDL was before you ever took anything? I have low HDL too usually between 25-35. I can't seem to raise it, and its always lower on gear even though I workout more when I'm on something. Just curious if your low HDL is also from the gear use.
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Arimidex is extremely harsh on the HDL. I can't use it anymore, even though it's a great ai.
 
how much test does one need to run to not loose muscle while on say 60-100mcg a day of t3. and i have been on test a long time my body is use to a good dose.so would i need to up my test dose while running t3?
 
dutchmaster454 said:
swiper you are FAWKING HYOOOOOGE! lol What were some of your first cycles like as an amateur to gear ? i mean you didnt just stat at 2 grams of test year really young. obviously you took years to build that level of gear usage to maintain that incredible build/ physique.
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thx
I started out at 600mg ew I go higher when I had access to omnadren to 750. I basically stayed around 600-750mg for about 6 years before i went up in dose.
 
BIGBEN2011 said:
how much test does one need to run to not loose muscle while on say 60-100mcg a day of t3. and i have been on test a long time my body is use to a good dose.so would i need to up my test dose while running t3?
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not sure, I'm not any more knowledgeable than the average gym rat. I just know the basics, but if I had to guess, I'd say 350 mg ew. minimum.
 
Swiper said:
I don't know. never had it checked back then. have you tried niacin and fish oil? thats suppose to help raise hdl.
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While on 400mg test c, and 200mg deca EW I decided after my HDL dropped from 32 to 24 I would increase my healthy fat intake. I also stopped AAS and my HDL went back up and my LDL and triglycerides went down. I've never consciously consumed healthy fats. I currently eat a minimum of 1 avocado, 1 tbsp. coconut oil per day. I eat fish often, and its not uncommon for me to eat 2 tbsp. of coconut oil and a couple tbsp. of flax oil. Basically I don't worry about non animal fats. However I have labs back from when I joined the Navy at 17 and my HDL has been low since I was young. I've never had good HDL. I have come close, but no cigar. Even at my leanest I never saw the 40's. I would love to run 200mg test C EOD as a cruise but the sides would probably be insane given how I respond to 400mg...You're lucky how well you tolerate AAS.
 
TrojanMan60563 said:
While on 400mg test c, and 200mg deca EW I decided after my HDL dropped from 32 to 24 I would increase my healthy fat intake. I also stopped AAS and my HDL went back up and my LDL and triglycerides went down. I've never consciously consumed healthy fats. I currently eat a minimum of 1 avocado, 1 tbsp. coconut oil per day. I eat fish often, and its not uncommon for me to eat 2 tbsp. of coconut oil and a couple tbsp. of flax oil. Basically I don't worry about non animal fats. However I have labs back from when I joined the Navy at 17 and my HDL has been low since I was young. I've never had good HDL. I have come close, but no cigar. Even at my leanest I never saw the 40's. I would love to run 200mg test C EOD as a cruise but the sides would probably be insane given how I respond to 400mg...You're lucky how well you tolerate AAS.
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Seaman, some get away with it, as others can't. I've seen HDL numbers in the single digits among top-level NPC guys, and the point of diminishing returns doesn't describe this... I raise all kinds of hell over guys not getting labs done, but at the same time, was friends with a pro who wouldn't do it. Yes, he's out of the game now, and has since undergone bypass surgery on top of semi-annual stress tests, and echo cardiograms.
 
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devildogusmc said:
Seaman, some get away with it, as others can't. I've seen HDL numbers in the single digits among top-level NPC guys, and the point of diminishing returns doesn't describe this... I raise all kinds of hell over guys not getting labs done, but at the same time, was friends with a pro who wouldn't do it. Yes, he's out of the game now, and has since undergone bypass surgery on top of semi-annual stress tests, and echo cardiograms.
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Yeah I'm one that doesn't. I'd love to be a monster (not a small guy to start with), but not at the expense of my health. If the labs are going bad so is your health. I'll just have to roll on 150mg/wk HRT dose and be satisfied.
 
TrojanMan60563 said:
Yeah I'm one that doesn't. I'd love to be a monster (not a small guy to start with), but not at the expense of my health. If the labs are going bad so is your health. I'll just have to roll on 150mg/wk HRT dose and be satisfied.
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Some GH may be a good thing here.
 
Darkhrse99 said:
Do you drink soda, I know you eat out some, so do you get them with your meals?


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I always take my food to go, but yeah I do drink coke zero or zero cherry a few times a week.
 
Dude you really are what we are all here to achieve. ..:daydream: but the truth is your at the deep end of the genetics lottery and I am but a meer peasant. ..sad day indeed

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Btw I'm not knocking your work ethic just saying...good genetic s help

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kaoticsolja said:
Dude you really are what we are all here to achieve. ..:daydream: but the truth is your at the deep end of the genetics lottery and I am but a meer peasant. ..sad day indeed

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thx.


kaoticsolja said:
Btw I'm not knocking your work ethic just saying...good genetic s help

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no problem I knew what you meant. the only thing I have a good work ethic in is my training. I'm probably the laziest person on this board when it comes to nutrition.
 
Swiper said:
no problem I knew what you meant. the only thing I have a good work ethic in is my training. I'm probably the laziest person on this board when it comes to nutrition.
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I don't blame you. After seeing what a mass monster you have became on such a 'poor' diet I decided to make the following changes to my diet.

-Replace breakfast , 6 scramled eggs and small protein shake with a big bowl of oats or cereals, sometimes mix of both
-Replace preworkout meal, 200g Chicken Breast, Egg fried rice with and ham or turkey sandwiches
-Stop caring so much about protein intake, I used to aim for 300g, right now I comfortably manage 230g

While keeping total calories intake the same I am still making progress (new Bench PB), yet I enjoy it much more now. It takes less time to prepare meals, they taste better and cost less.
I have at least 10 different types of cereals in my kitchen, still can't decide which one is my favorite.
 
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