This guy claims that tapering down test is superior to running HCG and SERM. SERM is optional according to him. Sounds like he has a medical background too so I was hoping others might read it and tell me what they think. It sounds like it makes sense to me but it flies in the face of most of the conventional wisdom so I would need to see some more info before trying this method:
http://canadianjuicemonsters.net/forums/anabolic-steroid-discusion/20761-hcg-really-necesary.html
This is just a sample of what he has to say so I recommend reading the whole thread if you are interested:
O.k and what kind of qualifications do you have??? I'm a medical proffessional, and I can tell you that there is no such studies out there that prove there is a need for hcg use in order to recover full function of the hpta in a eugonadic male. In fact, why would you add a drug into the mix that actually causes suppression at another level of the hpta? It's just ludecrous, the reasoning behind it is much like hitting your head with a hammer to distract you from your sore thumb.
I am a medical proffesional and I will tell you that there are too many 'know-it-all's' on these boards who go around rehashing someone else's posts to increase their 'reputation' when they actually do not know what the hell they are talking about, have no understanding of physiology, and pharmacology, and absolutely no skills at been able to critique research in the first place.
On top of this there are so many BB out there who don't understand the concept of a 'half-life' , that they start their pct way too early, and when nothing happens, and their balls are still small (due to the fact their actually still 'on') they shoot themselves up with HCG which causes their balls to swell, and their libido to pick back up, and they think they have recovered. Of course, unbeknownst to them, the effect is just temporary, sooner or later after they stop the hcg their libido lags and their test drops back down again. But by that time they are in denial of the fact, not wanting to admit to anyone that their pct has failed, and they end up jumping back on a cycle lickity split, to fix the problem.
This happens all the time.
Hcg use is just plain harmfull in a eugonadic male. I wouldn't recomend it's use to anyone on a steroid cycle.
When the body is trying to come back to homeostasis, why would you throw all that extra junk of hcg and serms into the mix?
The truth is a simple hrt taper - gradually reducing the dose of exogenous testosterone, as endogenous testosterone levels increase, is not only the most seamless pct, but also offers the least side effects, and withdrawal symptoms. Tapering is also considered standard practice for cessation of all receptor mediated drug therapies in medicine.
His main points are:
1. HCG is more harmful than beneficial (read the thread for his reasons)
2. natural test production will pick up the slack as exogenous test decreases so there is no need for traditional PCT
3. SERM is optional.
http://canadianjuicemonsters.net/forums/anabolic-steroid-discusion/20761-hcg-really-necesary.html
This is just a sample of what he has to say so I recommend reading the whole thread if you are interested:
O.k and what kind of qualifications do you have??? I'm a medical proffessional, and I can tell you that there is no such studies out there that prove there is a need for hcg use in order to recover full function of the hpta in a eugonadic male. In fact, why would you add a drug into the mix that actually causes suppression at another level of the hpta? It's just ludecrous, the reasoning behind it is much like hitting your head with a hammer to distract you from your sore thumb.
I am a medical proffesional and I will tell you that there are too many 'know-it-all's' on these boards who go around rehashing someone else's posts to increase their 'reputation' when they actually do not know what the hell they are talking about, have no understanding of physiology, and pharmacology, and absolutely no skills at been able to critique research in the first place.
On top of this there are so many BB out there who don't understand the concept of a 'half-life' , that they start their pct way too early, and when nothing happens, and their balls are still small (due to the fact their actually still 'on') they shoot themselves up with HCG which causes their balls to swell, and their libido to pick back up, and they think they have recovered. Of course, unbeknownst to them, the effect is just temporary, sooner or later after they stop the hcg their libido lags and their test drops back down again. But by that time they are in denial of the fact, not wanting to admit to anyone that their pct has failed, and they end up jumping back on a cycle lickity split, to fix the problem.
This happens all the time.
Hcg use is just plain harmfull in a eugonadic male. I wouldn't recomend it's use to anyone on a steroid cycle.
When the body is trying to come back to homeostasis, why would you throw all that extra junk of hcg and serms into the mix?
The truth is a simple hrt taper - gradually reducing the dose of exogenous testosterone, as endogenous testosterone levels increase, is not only the most seamless pct, but also offers the least side effects, and withdrawal symptoms. Tapering is also considered standard practice for cessation of all receptor mediated drug therapies in medicine.
His main points are:
1. HCG is more harmful than beneficial (read the thread for his reasons)
2. natural test production will pick up the slack as exogenous test decreases so there is no need for traditional PCT
3. SERM is optional.
