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GearsMcGilf
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They should do this in the EU so that the lazy mooslimes who emigrate there and live off of welfare can start supporting themselves It's also leave the smelly disgusting bastages with less $ to carry out their global jihad.
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Last I checked people don't exchange money over them either.
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The ester bunny doesn't take in billions of dollars in revenue. The ester bunny also doesn't lobby legislation that suits his purposes. Also, churches are real, and the ester bunny is fucking not.
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Wait a sec! So, you're saying that the tooth fairy and Hanukkah Hairy are taxed? This is discrimination!
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No we don't have "only" a secular humanism on this board..maybe in this thread.
There are others here who believe in God, such as myself...Likewise, "brothers in iron" would respect each others differences and beliefs as the unity of a bodybuilding forum is what we have in common..not what we don't have in common.
Many of the posts I have seen on this forum so far are hate and degredation of others. True brothers in iron don't see religion, color, and other things in each other. They see the passion of improving the body, getting stronger, spending time at the gym, and lifting weights and nothing more makes a difference.
And agreed with what the others say, if the Gov't were to tax Church, they would find a way to waste it. What in the current adminstration makes anyone logically think they would actually use it for legitimate purposes?
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Never asked for an "only". No one has said anything hateful... At least I know I haven't. Remember people have rights, ideas do not
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the whole "don't collect more taxes because the government will waste it" argument is fucking stupid. i agree that government spending can be wasteful, but the U.S. is in crazy debt.
how about we stop re-electing mother fucking stupid-ass incumbents. those fuckers do not represent the people. the median net worth of congress in 2012 was over $1,000,000. if that doesn't articulate the problem, then you're blind.
wesley, you're in the wrong forum bro. did you neglect the warning before entering? this is the place where topics like hot trannies and bestiality are the norm. your god is not here.
how about we stop re-electing mother fucking stupid-ass incumbents. those fuckers do not represent the people. the median net worth of congress in 2012 was over $1,000,000. if that doesn't articulate the problem, then you're blind.
wesley, you're in the wrong forum bro. did you neglect the warning before entering? this is the place where topics like hot trannies and bestiality are the norm. your god is not here.
We worship false idols... Like DieselJimmy!
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I agree on the Political issues and climate as a whole.
I don't agree God is not here. You and I are here. I'm not in the wrong forum, taxing religion peaks my interest. I'm a big boy I can handle adversity and conflict.
I cannot prove to you based on my personal experiences, nor does my inability to prove that God exists to you, anymore "factual" then you can prove anymore to me that God does not exist.
One can 'debate' or talk civil with a true "athiest", because an "actual" athiest is usually pondering thought and asking questions and legitimately basing their discussions on well thought out observations, maybe even facts they find relevant. I can talk the talk respectively with anyone like this all day
But the minute someone begins posting meme's or hateful ideas, as "free speech" as they might be, I instantly realize that person doesn't respect anyone else's right to belief or thought except for their own. And I might as well talk to a rock at that point, because the rock would at least be rationale in not speaking to me.
Back to topic for anyone interested in a legit discussion:
If we did tax "religion" as some people would say, does anyone else here find it interesting that, that would be "double taxation". Because lets think about it realistically...everyone here pays taxes, federal, state, when you buy something ,it's deducted out of your paycheck. So lets say I made 600 bucks and after taxes I take home 450. I now go to my church and give 45 bucks, or 10%. So now the gov't steps in and they want to tax my 45 bucks that I just "donated" even though that money already saw taxation. Why not just convert to communism?? Isn't that a similar system?
Now, if "donations" are taxed, then how will we assess "charitable contributions" for the wealthy and other "write offs". Does anyone agree that billionaires and millionaires are going to want "law changes" that would affect their "donations". Especially political contributions??
And next, what about the "separation of church and state". Wouldn't this interfere with the Constitution?? How would the Gov't then dictate separation of church and state, if they then combined them and they were no longer seperate? Could the Gov't then control peoples beliefs, religious preferences, whatever they might be, etc..?? What if they told you, you can't believe in what you do..you must worship the Sun, or Obama for instance. Do you not see this as interfering with Freedom in general?
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Churches advertise, lobby, and make money just like any other corporation. They shouldn't enjoy tax exemption unless they are willing to give up those 3 things.
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And I can prove "your" god doesn't exist. Pick your poison, state your religious affiliation, and i will show you it's both scientifically and philosophy impossible for chosen deity to exist.
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I agree on the Political issues and climate as a whole.
I don't agree God is not here. You and I are here. I'm not in the wrong forum, taxing religion peaks my interest. I'm a big boy I can handle adversity and conflict.
I cannot prove to you based on my personal experiences, nor does my inability to prove that God exists to you, anymore "factual" then you can prove anymore to me that God does not exist.
One can 'debate' or talk civil with a true "athiest", because an "actual" athiest is usually pondering thought and asking questions and legitimately basing their discussions on well thought out observations, maybe even facts they find relevant. I can talk the talk respectively with anyone like this all day
But the minute someone begins posting meme's or hateful ideas, as "free speech" as they might be, I instantly realize that person doesn't respect anyone else's right to belief or thought except for their own. And I might as well talk to a rock at that point, because the rock would at least be rationale in not speaking to me.
Back to topic for anyone interested in a legit discussion:
If we did tax "religion" as some people would say, does anyone else here find it interesting that, that would be "double taxation". Because lets think about it realistically...everyone here pays taxes, federal, state, when you buy something ,it's deducted out of your paycheck. So lets say I made 600 bucks and after taxes I take home 450. I now go to my church and give 45 bucks, or 10%. So now the gov't steps in and they want to tax my 45 bucks that I just "donated" even though that money already saw taxation. Why not just convert to communism?? Isn't that a similar system?
Now, if "donations" are taxed, then how will we assess "charitable contributions" for the wealthy and other "write offs". Does anyone agree that billionaires and millionaires are going to want "law changes" that would affect their "donations". Especially political contributions??
And next, what about the "separation of church and state". Wouldn't this interfere with the Constitution?? How would the Gov't then dictate separation of church and state, if they then combined them and they were no longer seperate? Could the Gov't then control peoples beliefs, religious preferences, whatever they might be, etc..?? What if they told you, you can't believe in what you do..you must worship the Sun, or Obama for instance. Do you not see this as interfering with Freedom in general?
Thoughts?
Dude, what planet do you live on? How did you come to perceive reality in this way?
Just the real estate alone that the catholic church owns makes it one of the richest institutions in the world. They made that money by lying, stealing, raping, molesting, murdering, and selling retards trips to heaven in the name of Indulgences. It is one of the most powerful institutions in the world. It is the most corrupt institution in the world, and has been for thousands and thousands of years.
That is just the Catholics. The Protestants aren't nearly as rich, but just they as fucking corrupt and powerful. I don't know the number, but I would bet that televangelist have taken in hundreds of billions of dollars since they started begging for money on TV. Almost none of that money goes to anyone except for the preachers and their ministries.
How many of those televangelist have been brought up on changes for fraud, corruption, solicitation of prostitutes (male prostitutes), drug use, ect ect ect. Those mother fuckers are worse than wall street bankers, and they should be paying taxes on the money they duped retarded into giving them.
If a charity is making a profit, then it should be taxed.... Because that profit should used to help people, that's what a charity is all about.
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That is the way every non-profit works. If you have left over money, you have to spend it on something, either infrastructure, or give it to the people the non-profit is suppose to be helping. However, churches hoard money and resources, because it translates into power.
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Agreed. Fraud and corruption exists in churches, and within any religion. But that doesn't reflect the majority. That is what some people might like to "believe" because it is their only exposure to it. Think of it like you do AAS/PH's, etc..the general population thinks that criminals and thugs and horrible violent people use these compounds..whereas the majority of the involved people are good honest people trying to better themselves. But you only see what the "media" shows you, the "evil" of AAS/PH use.
Greed, power hungry people, molestation, various criminal and social issues can exist within a church. True. But that is not the foundation or purpose of religion. People of various backgrounds attend "church" some with good and some with bad intent. If you educate yourself on the beliefs of 'God' you will find that it "intends" to be for good. Human beings come in and some make it better and some make it worse.
Most of the churches I have been to can't even afford to keep their lights on, let alone profit. Most can barely pay their bills. This is the majority. Then you see these enormous multi million dollar "mega churches" (THE 1%) that are involved in power,greed, and various other issues...they abuse the "system" per say and it reflects poorly on that particular religion as a whole, but in no way should people dream that this is how an entire religion acts, or how 99% of churches operate, nor is designed to.
Greed, power hungry people, molestation, various criminal and social issues can exist within a church. True. But that is not the foundation or purpose of religion. People of various backgrounds attend "church" some with good and some with bad intent. If you educate yourself on the beliefs of 'God' you will find that it "intends" to be for good. Human beings come in and some make it better and some make it worse.
Most of the churches I have been to can't even afford to keep their lights on, let alone profit. Most can barely pay their bills. This is the majority. Then you see these enormous multi million dollar "mega churches" (THE 1%) that are involved in power,greed, and various other issues...they abuse the "system" per say and it reflects poorly on that particular religion as a whole, but in no way should people dream that this is how an entire religion acts, or how 99% of churches operate, nor is designed to.
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Religious people, good well meaning religious people, repeatedly fail to hold their so called spiritual leaders accountable for their actions. It is because of this that corruption will continue, and it is why free thinking skeptics like myself refuse to give you guys an inch when you make the argument that all of religion isn't bad and that the redeeming qualities out weigh the evil that is done.
My argument is that the Taliban isn't all evil either, but I will never support anything the Taliban does. Fucking kids in the mouth isn't quite as bad as blowing up thousands of strangers, but when evils are that horrific, it is really hard to say just which one is worse.
The public crucified a university for covering up a child sex scandal, but the catholic church covered up thousands of cases, and nobody even gives a fuck about it anymore. How the fuck can a person give money to a church that is managed by people who would do that kind of evil. What the fuck is wrong with people? That is just the little bit we found out about. Holy shit at the thought of the stuff we don't know about.
Jesus is a gimmick!
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we found jesus hes making a good point
Jesus is a gimmick!
LOL cant afford to keep their lights on?!?!!? Around my area there are churches on every corner been living here for 30 years I still have yet to see ONE close its doors cause of financial issues. In fact most have expanded. I have about a 20 mile trip home and I pass about 15 churches. I can throw a rock from a lot of them and hit another church. I think you might be confused.
And, the atrocities that exist in religion have historically been on a much greater scale. Are you really blind to the things that have spawned and been done in the name of god. Some of the worst things in in history.
People should not need religion to be able to look at some one and recognize they need help and give it to them. People should not need religion to help me make decisions on political issues. People should not need religion to be comfortable with death. People should not need religion to feel they have a purpose. Its these things that give religion to much power.
Plus, MAN made trannies!!! and if trannies are taxed so should religion.
If you need religion to tell you how to act you have other, more deep rooted, problems.
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government cant force people to to be law biding even with threat of punishment of death, thus religion was created to keep citizens in line, not for fear of what government will do to them if arrested, but when your god judges you, because he sees everything and is all powerful
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