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The best Half Back of all time Thread
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PreMier said:
LMAO!!! I love it when PM gets the books out and crunches the numbers!! Ask him stats on any World strongman competitor and apparently NFL running backs and he is all over it.
No doubt it's a tough call. But I look at it a couple different ways, I think guys like Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers and Jim Brown are maybe the most athletic rb's of all time, I don't think anybody will ever be able to move quite like Barry ever again. But Payton, Allen, and Smith they were like the complete package, they ran, caught the ball, and blocked. Now Emmit Smith had a great O-line, and a great blocking full back, given, but I watched him rush for like 230 yards or something like that with a separated shoulder against the giants in the playoffs, IMO that was a performance only a truly great RB could have pulled off. But I think my top 3 list would go Payton, Sanders, and then Smith, my favorite running back will always be Barry Sanders though.
your point is irrelavent....because he was on a good team he cant be the best? was walter payton on crappy teams?....emmitt is the reason the cowboys were so good....he has had the best career....he didnt pussy out....he's the man.ASSPUNCTURE said:
you should change your name to ASSCLOWN.
PreMier said:
1982 Chicago......9 148 596 1 4.0 32 311 0 9.7
596 yards is not over 1,000
So thats 6 seasons over 1,000. Then 4.
Like I originally stated 11 STRAIGHT 1,000 YARD seasons.
Year Att Yds Avg TD
1990 241 937 3.9 11
1991 365 1563 4.3 12
1992 373 1713 4.6 18
1993 283 1486 5.3 9
1994 368 1484 4.0 21
1995 377 1773 4.7 25
1996 327 1204 3.7 12
1997 261 1074 4.1 4
1998 319 1332 4.2 13
1999 329 1397 4.2 11
2000 294 1203 4.1 9
2001 261 1021 3.9 3
2002 254 975 3.8 5
Career 4052 17162 4.2 153
Emmit Had 9 Season over 1,200 yards.
Year Att Yds Avg TD
1990 241 937 3.9 11
1991 365 1563 4.3 12
1992 373 1713 4.6 18
1993 283 1486 5.3 9
1994 368 1484 4.0 21
1995 377 1773 4.7 25
1996 327 1204 3.7 12
1997 261 1074 4.1 4
1998 319 1332 4.2 13
1999 329 1397 4.2 11
2000 294 1203 4.1 9
2001 261 1021 3.9 3
2002 254 975 3.8 5
Career 4052 17162 4.2 153
Emmit Had 9 Season over 1,200 yards.
Those are as a Cowboy they do not include the 2003 numbers.
Also in 1993 when he had the rushing title he didnt play the first 2 or three games that season due to Contract issues. They went on to only lose two games with Emmit and win the superbowl.
Emmit Smith was also and 8 time pro bowler.
8-time Pro Bowler: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1998, 1999
Emmit is also 2nd all time in Rush/Receive TDs behind only Jerry Rice.
Again I'm not saying Emmit is better than Walter Payton be he deserves alot of credit for all he has done.
8-time Pro Bowler: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1998, 1999
Emmit is also 2nd all time in Rush/Receive TDs behind only Jerry Rice.
Again I'm not saying Emmit is better than Walter Payton be he deserves alot of credit for all he has done.
ASSPUNCTURE said:
Emmit is old now but still has the heart to play. Im sure he had no talent. I bet you could have set all his records with out any problem. Give me a break. He is one of the Best running backs of all time. He is also a great person on and off the field.
ASSPUNCTURE said:
I agree with you here. I wouldnt say the greatest line, but goddamn, it sure makes a difference for a RB as well as a QB when you have a great Oline. B/C in football, you're only as good as the rest of your team.
Emmitt was great, i'll give you Emmitt lovers that. But he was not one of teh all time best. Yes, he broke the rushing record, but guess what, if Barry would've played out his entire career, Emmitt would still be nowhere near it. At the same time, Barry was on a shitty-ass team, with no help from the rest of his offense. AT THE TIME, Emmitt had one of the premier QB's in the league/future hall of famer in Aikman, as well as one of the premier WR's in the league in Michael Irvin. Not to mention one of the all time great O-linemen in Larry Allen.
My point is, in football, you can only be as good as the rest of your team....hence my Patriots. There were no superstars, but everyone played well, thats why they succeeded. To prove my point, On the other hand We'll see how good Kurt Warner does without the greatet show on turf: premier WR's in Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt, one of the best RB's in the game:Marshall, and a great line starting with Orlando Pace. Now he's behind a shitty Giants line, with a mediocre RB and a average WR's. i think Mrs. Brenda Warner will show his true (yellow) colors this year.....b/c the rest of his team isnt great.
If Emmitt played on Barry's team, he'd have been a better-than-average player.
^let me rephrase that, Emmitt was not one of the top 3 Rb's of all time....thats what i meant. But he's pretty close after that....
to all you haters....your arguments are futile because.....hey guess what....barry didnt do it....he didnt break the record, he quit....hes in the quiting hall of fame...paytons name isnt on the top of the lists....emmitt is the best because hes the FRIGGIN BEST....there are more qualities to consider than rubber hips come on now
im dense...how about Premier just watches all the games and then he can write down who he thinks looked the best...and they'll be the winner....same thing for the MVP and hall of fame...lets go on how ppl look and not by what they actually acomplish
PreMier said:You are dense if you think Emmitt was better than Barry.
I saw a program where NO ONE put Barry in the top 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He didnt set any records and never finished so we never got to see what we think might have happened.
Which program, where did they rank Gale Sayers and Jim Brown, his numbers were very similar to Jim Brown's. Aside from the fact that he was probably one of the most exciting players too watch in the history of the sport. I mean I grew up in Toledo, just south of Detroit, I saw just about all of his games. Every play the offensive line would practically collapse and he'd have about 4 guys right on him in the backfield every play, and either one of two things would happen, he'd make 2 or three miss and get tackled by the last one for a loss, or they'd all miss and he'd run 60 yards for a touchdown. Smith may have had the best O-line ever but I think Sanders may have had the worst.
ratm383 said:
well, by your arguement, Emmitt is the best because he owns the rushing record. by that same arguement, Karl Malone is the best power forward ever because he is 3rd on the all-time scoring list. well, guess what, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson are better.
Just because he owns the record doesnt mean he's better. Stats are a great determining factor, but they are not the end-all.
Emmitt is NOT better than Jim Brown. He is NOT better than Walter Payton. And IMO, he's not better than Barry.
Johnnny
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There's a few on my list.
1. Walter Payton
2. Jim Brown.
3. Ed O'Neil (Married With Childeren) of The Pittsburgh Steelers, he had talent & wasn't given a fair shot only 2 seasons I believe
4. Earl Campbell of the Houston Oilers
5. Dave Osborn of the Vikings
6. Barry Sanders
7. Emmitt Smith
What about the best FULL BACKS who blocked for these athletes?
Moose Johnston would have to be on that list.
Playing the running back position, you really do love your full back. He is probably one of your best friends on the field next to the linemen.
1. Walter Payton
2. Jim Brown.
3. Ed O'Neil (Married With Childeren) of The Pittsburgh Steelers, he had talent & wasn't given a fair shot only 2 seasons I believe
4. Earl Campbell of the Houston Oilers
5. Dave Osborn of the Vikings
6. Barry Sanders
7. Emmitt Smith
What about the best FULL BACKS who blocked for these athletes?
Moose Johnston would have to be on that list.
Playing the running back position, you really do love your full back. He is probably one of your best friends on the field next to the linemen.
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skinner3233
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Say your the coach for one last drive......i'd go with sanders....i'd throw in allstot at fullback too
Johnnny
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Sean0621
Well I hear ya, I've always liked the Lions even now. I always like the talented players they have. But for some reason they just can't seem to win big.
But I loved Barry Sanders his ability the way he could stop & go at full speed, run all over the field away from defenders.
All that with a mostly crapy offensive line.
skinner3233
Asltott & Barry Sanders sounds like they'd make a hell of a combo. I'd love to see that, but it'll never happen.
Well I hear ya, I've always liked the Lions even now. I always like the talented players they have. But for some reason they just can't seem to win big.
But I loved Barry Sanders his ability the way he could stop & go at full speed, run all over the field away from defenders.
All that with a mostly crapy offensive line.
skinner3233
Asltott & Barry Sanders sounds like they'd make a hell of a combo. I'd love to see that, but it'll never happen.
Sanders pretty much made the fullback position irrelevant, you could hand the ball to alstot and get maybe the 6 yards for the first down or touchdown, but every time Barry touched the ball he could go 60 yards, as far as blocking goes, the full back would go and block the 2 hole and barry would shoot down the 6 hole, or he'd trun around and run the other play, I don't think I ever saw Sanders run a play the way it was supposed to be run, even if he had good blocking like Larry allen and orlando pace, it would just give him more time to decide which way he was going to run, cuz he would never run the play as it is set up, He was the only running back capable of confusing everybody in the stadium, the oposing defense, his own teammates, the coaches on both teams, the refs and the fans. He was probably the only one that knew what the hell he was doin
skinner3233
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if i was a linebacker and saw allstot and sanders in the backfield I would shit. The way you block for sanders is called zone blocking....basically block the nearest man and take him which way he wants to go then let the back pick his hole....with a fullback you could throw in a 42 iso or 47 power and really mix it up.....being a college fullback myself....i would have one in on every down
Downtown Guy
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It's difficult to compare players from different eras. Basically, most athletes are much stronger and faster than they used to be. But just to mix it up a little, I'd like to nominate a couple of "old guys". I won't go back as far as Jim Thorpe, since I don't remember him very well. 
Some of you guys have mentioned Jim Brown, but I haven't heard a vote for Paul Hornung.
Jim Brown: Averaged over 5 yards per carry for his entire career! Has anyone else done that? Was smart enough to retire, after nine seasons, as a very young man. This dude made linebackers cringe when they saw him busting through the line. Had the speed of a halfback and the power of a fullback.
Paul Hornung: The "golden boy", like Jim Brown, hung up his cleats in the sixties. Therefore, most of you guys didn't get a chance to watch him play. Granted, he played with a bunch of superstars, including Jim Taylor - his bad-ass fullback blocker, on those fantastic Green Bay Packer teams coached by Vince Lombardi. But this guy was extremely talented. Partied his ass off saturday night with the best looking chicks in town...then ran all over his opponents on Sunday afternoon. I think his record of most points scored in a seaon by a running back may still stand. But I'm not sure about that. Can anyone beat 176? I can't remember if he scored that many points, or that many babes. Probably did both.
Some of you guys have mentioned Jim Brown, but I haven't heard a vote for Paul Hornung. Jim Brown: Averaged over 5 yards per carry for his entire career! Has anyone else done that? Was smart enough to retire, after nine seasons, as a very young man. This dude made linebackers cringe when they saw him busting through the line. Had the speed of a halfback and the power of a fullback.
Paul Hornung: The "golden boy", like Jim Brown, hung up his cleats in the sixties. Therefore, most of you guys didn't get a chance to watch him play. Granted, he played with a bunch of superstars, including Jim Taylor - his bad-ass fullback blocker, on those fantastic Green Bay Packer teams coached by Vince Lombardi. But this guy was extremely talented. Partied his ass off saturday night with the best looking chicks in town...then ran all over his opponents on Sunday afternoon. I think his record of most points scored in a seaon by a running back may still stand. But I'm not sure about that. Can anyone beat 176? I can't remember if he scored that many points, or that many babes. Probably did both.
THANKS gr81, Since you started this thread and i was thinking too much about it I had to go out and buy an official throw back Walter Payton Jersey.
