THE END IS NEAR for the beloved PHs!

[gopro]

Originally posted by Robert DiMaggio

Prince I KNEW you were going to like that one!

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Tank316
or fu brodus

By the way, if you're not sure....the FUB is a brand new government agency called FU%K YOU BODYBUILDERS


man you're on a roll with these quote's as of late, this one's just as good as growth sickness!!!!!!!

I'm a quote-makin machine!

 

[Arnold]

Not sure about the accuracy of this info, but I thought it was interesting:

Hi Fellas...from good ole D.C. re: h.r. 3866
looking at june to hit the house floor; itf it passes the house then could be looking
at august for it pass the senate so then the ban would take full effect around the end of
the year. However, partial effect would kick in sooner so that OTC sales might cease
something like September. If the right people get upset then it will not pass so quickly,
and it could stall quite a while. Unfortunately, they timed it to hit in an Olympics summer,
when save-the-children photo-ops will be available to the congresspeople involved.

Also, the ban is legally ambiguous and redefines anabolic steroids to be steroids that
are not necessarily even anabolic steroids, so if the right people note this weird
redefinition, they will squash the bill because they do not like granting the DEA rights
to search and seizure where there is a lot of leeway. Furthermore, states will
replicate this law, and they tend to be way dumber and less advised than congress
(and that is real bad)-- they will mix up things like melatonin, methandienone, and
methamphetamine, and so in the interest of setting the right example, there may be
some opposition. That is, provided they receive letters and lobbying. Remember, this
legislation also hurts research in male hormonal replacement, male birth control, female
libido research, and AIDS wasting treatment, and also costs the medical system
(look at price on oxandrin/anavar). It puts those fields back many years. Oh, and,
the congressmen who sponsor this bill are so ridiculous that they EVEN QUOTE
STATISTICS showing that kids are using ALREADY ILLEGAL STEROIDS
at a HIGHER RATE THAN OTC STUFF and they are so RIDICULOUSLY UNQUALIFIED
to address the issue they do not even realize they are ARE EMBARASSING THEMSELVES
and that they could have spent all of FIVE MINUTES to go find statistics in the research
that actually support their position. Also they had an amputee testisty, and with all due
respect to the guy, who is trying to do a good thing, he lost his legs, as he stated, because
he NEGLECTED A DEADLY circulatory condition while using steroids that areALREADY
ILLEGAL, so its IRRELEVANT. ok, so there you go; I don't mind legislation, it should
just be done right, to address the actual underlying issue.

http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?showtopic=626&st=15

 

[Arnold]

Bill HR HR 3866 states that the folowing substance will be affected:


(i) androstanediol--

(I) 3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; and

(II) 3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;

(ii) androstanedione (5a-androstan-3,17-dione);

(iii) androstenediol--

(I) 1-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

(II) 1-androstenediol (3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

(III) 4-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene); and

(IV) 5-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-5-ene);

(iv) androstenedione--

(I) 1-androstenedione ([5a]-androst-1-en-3,17-dione);

(II) 4-androstenedione (androst-4-en-3,17-dione); and

(III) 5-androstenedione (androst-5-en-3,17-dione);

(v) bolasterone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

(vi) boldenone (17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4,-diene-3-one);

(vii) calusterone (7b,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

(viii) clostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

(ix) dehydrochlormethyltestosterone (4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one);

(x) 4-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one);

(xi) drostanolone (17b-hydroxy-2a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one);

(xii) ethylestrenol (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-ene);

(xiii) fluoxymesterone (9-fluoro-17a-methyl-11b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

(xiv) formebolone (2-formyl-17a-methyl-11a,17b-dihydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

(xv) furazabol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrostano[2,3-c]-furazan);

(xvi) 18a-homo-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one (13b-ethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one);

(xvii) 4-hydroxytestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one);

(xviii) 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-estr-4-en-3-one);

(xix) mestanolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one);

(xx) mesterolone (1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

(xxi) methandienone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

(xxii) methandriol (17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-5-ene);

(xxiii) methenolone (1-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

(xxiv) methyltestosterone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

(xxv) mibolerone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

(xxvi) nandrolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

(xxvii) norandrostenediol--

(I) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

(II) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

(III) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene); and

(IV) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene);

(xxviii) norandrostenedione--

(I) 19-nor-4-androstenedione (estr-4-en-3,17-dione); and

(II) 19-nor-5-androstenedione (estr-5-en-3,17-dione;

(xxix) norbolethone (18a-homo-17b-hydroxypregna-4-en-3-one);

(xxx) norclostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

(xxxi) norethandrolone (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

(xxxii) oxandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-2-oxa-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

(xxxiii) oxymesterone (17a-methyl-4,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

(xxxiv) oxymetholone (17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

(xxxv) stanozolol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androst-2-eno[3,2-c]-pyrazole);

(xxxvi) stenbolone (17b-hydroxy-2-methyl-[5a]-androst-1-en-3-one);

(xxxvii) testolactone (13-hydroxy-3-oxo-13,17-secoandrosta-1,4-dien-17-oic acid lactone);

(xxxviii) 1-testosterone (17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

(xxxix) testosterone (17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

(xl) tetrahydrogestrinone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4,9,11-trien-3-one);

(xli) trenbolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one);

 

[Arnold]

There are 2 versions of Bill Number H.R.3866 for the 108th Congress

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.3866:

 

[X Ring]

thanks for keeping us updated

 

[brodus]

looking at june to hit the house floor; itf it passes the house then could be looking
at august for it pass the senate so then the ban would take full effect around the end of
the year. However, partial effect would kick in sooner so that OTC sales might cease
something like September.

Oh, the irony. This was my claim from the beginning--reference any of the earlier posts on this topic...the one's where I posted the exact same links as Prince just did, but also included the Senate bill (the Biden Bill). I made this claim at least a month ago (3/31/04), citing political process and procedure:

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29629

(3/17/04)

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29021

My original post on this thread was to point out that, like Prince's quote, I feel VPX is again engaged in sensationalism...No one else here finds it ironiv that a VPX rep starts every thread?

Seems Prince used to feel this way too:

why would anyone start stocking up yet? 04/08/04

last I remember VPX is not even involved with the www.usfa.biz who fights for this thing. 03/17/04

But when I post this, I'm being a jerk...very funny....I'm the dumbass that just happened to be a month ahead of you on this...I give up.... Obviously there's a system of favorites here that trumps knowledge and insight.

But I don't think there is going to be a drought on the supply before the ban goes into effect due to some invisible border patrol that stops every raw material shipment from China. In fact, I'd bet a lot on that fact. Further, the bill hasn't been finalized...and we don't even know the validty of GoPros claim. A lot has to happen before all PHs are pulled from online retail.

(3/17/04)

 

[david]

Well actually, I think a lot of good points were being made by Gopro, Prince etc. but you keep hounding these issues. Let it rest, Brodus. If you feel that it's a lopsided conversation (against IM members against you) then, do as Gopro says, and say all this nonsense to his face at the shows or whereever. Or, you can take Tank's recent request. Or, better yet, complain to another Supplement company and see if they give you the time or day. Bet they won't. It's funny though, as nice, considerate and open as Gopro is to all IM.com members, he seems to be the target of many anti-VPX people and seems to have to constantly defend himself. Sheesh.... Don't sell your house Gopro... somehow, VPX haters will bring up prohormones, Test or Redline into the swirl and the shiat will start all over again!

 

[Tank316]

Originally posted by david
Well actually, I think a lot of good points were being made by Gopro, Prince etc. but you keep hounding these issues. Let it rest, Brodus. If you feel that it's a lopsided conversation (against IM members against you) then, do as Gopro says, and say all this nonsense to his face at the shows or whereever. Or, you can take Tank's recent request. Or, better yet, complain to another Supplement company and see if they give you the time or day. Bet they won't. It's funny though, as nice, considerate and open as Gopro is to all IM.com members, he seems to be the target of many anti-VPX people and seems to have to constantly defend himself. Sheesh.... Don't sell your house Gopro... somehow, VPX haters will bring up prohormones, Test or Redline into the swirl and the shiat will start all over again!

amen David. and GP first started this thread just to inform us of an up and coming ban of a supp. but it seems that piss ants crawl from under any rock as of late just to bash a certain person and a company that he works for. i have yet to have the need for a PH, but have learned alot from GP and others on this board about them.

 

[david]

Hey Tank!!

It's funny though... Gopro comes on and offers Clenbuterx promo's... get's blasted.

He then announces Redline... get's interrogted. Poor guy! And, what remains constant is that he's a great guy.

 

[Tank316]

Originally posted by david
Hey Tank!!

It's funny though... Gopro comes on and offers Clenbuterx promo's... get's blasted.

He then announces Redline... get's interrogted. Poor guy! And, what remains constant is that he's a great guy.

so true, and those who blast him dont know him, and those same people have taught me nothing, Gp on the other hand has given, not taken, a true friend indeed!!!!!!

 

[gopro]

Thank you Tank and David for your ongoing support. Brodus is just a punk like the rest. What all these VPX bashers fail to realize is that I have been a mod on this board and several others for a year or two longer than I have been with VPX. I have been advising people with their diet, training and supplementation all of this time for no other reason but to be helpful and give back to the sport/activity that has given me so much.

Brodus is already crying over at Anabolicminds about me and how he can't stand that people support me and how he doesn't even want to come back here. Hmmmm, what a loss that would be, huh?

This thread was started to inform people of what I knew to be going on. I never said to anyone "you better go get your stash of VPX now before its too late!" No matter what your favorite PH and no matter what company puts it out, I was just letting people know they may not be around much longer.

Besides, we all know that Brodus is home right now with his supply of Monster Test, MAD 250, and Gangsta Test licking his chops! LOL!

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by gopro
Brodus is already crying over at Anabolicminds about me and how he can't stand that people support me and how he doesn't even want to come back here. Hmmmm, what a loss that would be, huh?

 

[brodus]

I've never understood why people side with company reps about anything...as if their salary doesn't justify skepticism and intense scrutiny when posting...I could teach you about viral marketing, but you've already revealed that you only process about three words per paragraph, so it would be a waste.

Such brilliant, researched, and well-thought out answers/reponses to my questions!

I expected more than "punk" or "piss ant," although I give you credit, that was pretty creative on your part.

I guess I could tear apart each of your arguments, or point out why all of us should be pissed that supp. companies are passing the buck off on the gov't while they did nothing, but what would that do? You're not interested in doing anything more than bitching about a situation that got out of your control. I'm the easy target b/c I didn't learn your secret handshake because I was too busy going to school and running in international competitions.

I post threads, links, quotes...I beat you to the punch by over a month on the specifics of the ban...I watch the Senate hearings and reported them...I've interviewed people involved in this debate....

If you didn't pay attention and learn anything, that's your problem.

GoPro posts "warnings" like a good corporate lackey, yet his company wasn't involved in supporting our "rights", didn't support USFA, sells liposomal methyls and $100 methoxy...

How quickly you forget these realities and rush to slap a high five becuase maybe if your lucky you can be a recipient of the trickle down effect. I mean, is a free bottle of Clenbutrx (which costs more than the real thing, which is widely available on the internet) worth ignoring the truth to you? Apparently it is.

Your own responses to these realities are a mirror for the short-circuits in your synapses.

It's funny...it's a good thing for you that this is a high-five slapping good ol' boy club, b/c in a court of law, you would have lost last month when I posted the same thing!

And while you can say whatever you want about Anabolicminds, how many chemists are on this board? How many people brewing superior transdermals? I haven't seen a single one. But I sure see a lot of reps that cry foul when you point out inconsistenies, and you all think that's fine, which says a lot about your character.

This board has a ton of great information, but the minute you question one of the hometown heroes who's essentially selling bunk acid for $35 a hit to nine-year olds, look out...

 

[TrojanMan60563]

can't we all just get along? hehe I just had to say it..sorry

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by brodus
I've never understood why people side with company reps about anything...as if their salary doesn't justify skepticism and intense scrutiny when posting...I could teach you about viral marketing, but you've already revealed that you only process about three words per paragraph, so it would be a waste.

Such brilliant, researched, and well-thought out answers/reponses to my questions!

I expected more than "punk" or "piss ant," although I give you credit, that was pretty creative on your part.

I guess I could tear apart each of your arguments, or point out why all of us should be pissed that supp. companies are passing the buck off on the gov't while they did nothing, but what would that do? You're not interested in doing anything more than bitching about a situation that got out of your control. I'm the easy target b/c I didn't learn your secret handshake because I was too busy going to school and running in international competitions.

I post threads, links, quotes...I beat you to the punch by over a month on the specifics of the ban...I watch the Senate hearings and reported them...I've interviewed people involved in this debate....

If you didn't pay attention and learn anything, that's your problem.

GoPro posts "warnings" like a good corporate lackey, yet his company wasn't involved in supporting our "rights", didn't support USFA, sells liposomal methyls and $100 methoxy...

How quickly you forget these realities and rush to slap a high five becuase maybe if your lucky you can be a recipient of the trickle down effect. I mean, is a free bottle of Clenbutrx (which costs more than the real thing, which is widely available on the internet) worth ignoring the truth to you? Apparently it is.

Your own responses to these realities are a mirror for the short-circuits in your synapses.

It's funny...it's a good thing for you that this is a high-five slapping good ol' boy club, b/c in a court of law, you would have lost last month when I posted the same thing!

And while you can say whatever you want about Anabolicminds, how many chemists are on this board? How many people brewing superior transdermals? I haven't seen a single one. But I sure see a lot of reps that cry foul when you point out inconsistenies, and you all think that's fine, which says a lot about your character.

This board has a ton of great information, but the minute you question one of the hometown heroes who's essentially selling bunk acid for $35 a hit to nine-year olds, look out...

The reason that you will never get any where brodus is you're too busy telling everyone how smart and great you are and how stupid everyone else is.

Get a clue.

I should go back thru this thread and count how many times you have insulted me and everyone else that has made a post here.

 

[brodus]

I have no problem getting along with people that don't pull blinders over their eyes when you hold up a mirror to their actions.

Believe it or not, I'm not angry with anyone...I'm more frusturated at a larger situation, corporatocracy and the decline of individual thought, and this is a prime example for this.

 

[Arnold]

That is fine, but you will get much further in life, and in simple debates, or whatever, if you refrain from insulting people and telling them they're stupid, etc.

What are your qualifications brodus? What is your formal education, degrees and professional experience that make you so much better than all of us?

 

[HoldDaMayo]

Originally posted by brodus
I've never understood why people side with company reps about anything...as if their salary doesn't justify skepticism and intense scrutiny when posting...I could teach you about viral marketing, but you've already revealed that you only process about three words per paragraph, so it would be a waste.

Such brilliant, researched, and well-thought out answers/reponses to my questions!

I expected more than "punk" or "piss ant," although I give you credit, that was pretty creative on your part.

I guess I could tear apart each of your arguments, or point out why all of us should be pissed that supp. companies are passing the buck off on the gov't while they did nothing, but what would that do? You're not interested in doing anything more than bitching about a situation that got out of your control. I'm the easy target b/c I didn't learn your secret handshake because I was too busy going to school and running in international competitions.

I post threads, links, quotes...I beat you to the punch by over a month on the specifics of the ban...I watch the Senate hearings and reported them...I've interviewed people involved in this debate....

If you didn't pay attention and learn anything, that's your problem.

GoPro posts "warnings" like a good corporate lackey, yet his company wasn't involved in supporting our "rights", didn't support USFA, sells liposomal methyls and $100 methoxy...

How quickly you forget these realities and rush to slap a high five becuase maybe if your lucky you can be a recipient of the trickle down effect. I mean, is a free bottle of Clenbutrx (which costs more than the real thing, which is widely available on the internet) worth ignoring the truth to you? Apparently it is.

Your own responses to these realities are a mirror for the short-circuits in your synapses.

It's funny...it's a good thing for you that this is a high-five slapping good ol' boy club, b/c in a court of law, you would have lost last month when I posted the same thing!

And while you can say whatever you want about Anabolicminds, how many chemists are on this board? How many people brewing superior transdermals? I haven't seen a single one. But I sure see a lot of reps that cry foul when you point out inconsistenies, and you all think that's fine, which says a lot about your character.

This board has a ton of great information, but the minute you question one of the hometown heroes who's essentially selling bunk acid for $35 a hit to nine-year olds, look out...

You sound very intelligent... and I'm impressed how articulate you are in your posts...

GoPro has been popular on these boards for his complete contribution... he's got a cult following in the training forum... which has nothing to do with VPX... If he was only known here for pushing VPX products, i think you would have more support in your views...

I think you're a bit too idealistic... every retail store you shop at has sales people... are they impartial and trustworthy or are they just trying to get a few extra bucks commission... yet, the first thing people do is ask the sales person questions about their need and whether the product will satisfy it.

While I understand your point about sales reps not being impartial... it's the American way... and hardly out of the ordinary for GoPro to have a few good things to say about his products... they are NOT even close to the most popular on these boards though... I rarely see anyone asking about VPX products because they are expensive and people tend to look for value... although it seems VPX does have it's niche and I think it's odd that out of all the companies playing the roll of the crook, you chose VPX and GoPro to make an example of...

I have seen GP make a few comments that I felt might be stretching a bit... but he's upfront with who he is and what he does... I've seen a bazillion more rediculous claims out there then anything GP has said about VPX products...

I enjoy reading your posts, but everytime you start bringing GP and VPX into this, like they are the ultimate evil, I lose interest in your post... when you do this, you sound like a bitter ex girlfriend... I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm just telling you how I feel when i read this stuff...

 

[brodus]

I never said I thought I was better than anyone on this board, let me clear that up. I didn't go back and add up insults on a tally sheet, but to be honest, Prince, I was insulted much more than anyone else on here.

(To wit, my first post on this thread was just my own theory on how much time we have left...then I questioned, legtimately, the "destroyed" premise...then I quesitoned whether or not anyone here actually knew the gov't agencies involved...none of this should be considered out of bounds of civil discussion...I got pissed when you and GoPro played the Nazi America card, b/c my family immigrated from Nazi Germany to escape a true repressive state and I think Americans need a reality check, especially when they don't even know which arm of the gov't they're mad at.)

Fact is, when I have a problem with something I see as unfair or untrue, I don't use "punk" and "stupid," I take it five powers of analysis further, and that pisses people off and makes them think whatever they have conditioned themselves to think when presented with a threat to their view of life.

I will say there is such a thing as a winner in a race, a first to the finish line, and when someone posts something a month before someone else, it's not a crime to point that out. I was simply defending my actions. If you think that by defending myself with logic that I am insinutating I am superior, well, that's you're problem or not mine.

I'm not going to post my credentials, b/c that will only make this thread go on forever. I will PM them to you if it really means that much, but like BandaidWoman, I don't feel the need to post this, b/c I don't feel they change who I am as a person.

Look...I've said my piece, you guys got your high-fives in...let's just have good workouts today. I promised myself I was going to be a good boy and just work, lift, and teach today, but all of that damn GangstaTest...OOPS>>>DID I SAY THAT....

 

[brodus]

I enjoy reading your posts, but everytime you start bringing GP and VPX into this, like they are the ultimate evil, I lose interest in your post... when you do this, you sound like a bitter ex girlfriend... I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm just telling you how I feel when i read this stuff...

Haha....yeah, I am too idealistic, that's for sure. And I know GoPro workouts and advice have helped a TON of people, and I don't know why I go for the throat on VPX...oh, yes, I do know why, but I won't post again! I'm kind of a "new kid" in town, so I didn't fully understand the cult following thing, but now that you explain it, I do, and so I can see how it looks to long-timers when a new poster comes in and starts unleashing on a respected board member, and mentor, even. I will try me best to refrain from this kind of action...honestly, it was the Nazi America thing that set me off this time.

Maybe I'm just a voice that needs to speak out every once in awhile in order to remind people how silly the whole supp. industry is sometimes, even if it doesn't change anything. I'm like a voice that need to be heard for the sake of balance. I mean, look at what kind of influence all of that marketing has had--you yourself have basically said, since everyone does it, it's okay : )

Seriously, I don't take G-Test, but I started my first cycle of M1T and Etched (4-hydroxy Test + 7-OXO), so maybe I'm just being a homonal ex-girlfriend!!!

 

[Tank316]

I expected more than "punk" or "piss ant," although I give you credit, that was pretty creative on your part

i have too much respect for Robert and his board to say what i really feel, so, on that note, tell us more about yourself brodus. like age, yrs of training....?

 

[topolo]

I respect Robert too......I only speak when I think he will agree with me

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by topolo
I respect Robert too......I onle speak when I think he will agree with me

this is the second time you have said this....

 

[Twin Peak]

Has Brodus really been that out of line in this thread?

Either I am missing it, everyone is overreacting, or there is a history that I am not aware of.

Ah well.

From my previous posts, I think its obvious that I find it slightly amusing that people are whining and bitching about this agency or that, but don't really understand the roles of the agencies or why and how this is playing out.

 

[Randy]

If they work, they ban em... Something wrong with that picture

Originally posted by Robert DiMaggio
so you like it when the government takes away your rights to decide which supplements you can use?

 

[topolo]

Fact is, when I have a problem with something I see as unfair or untrue, I don't use "punk" and "stupid," I take it five powers of analysis further, and that pisses people off and makes them think whatever they have conditioned themselves to think when presented with a threat to their view of life.


----------This is true I feel very threatened when I read your posts...........I am scared!!! You are the man!

 

[topolo]

Originally posted by Robert DiMaggio


this is the second time you have said this....

Beacuse It's true Rob...............I learned a while back that I wasn't allowed to disagree with you

 

[Randy]

Topolo,

We all disagree with Prince from time to time. We just do it in a respectful manner It's like disagreeing with your dad <just kidding Prince>

 

[Pepper]

Originally posted by topolo
Beacuse It's true Rob...............I learned a while back that I wasn't allowed to disagree with you

If that were true, I'd have been gone a long time ago.