The greatest Country in the world

[NeilPearson]

In the US, if you have nothing, no food, no money, absolutely nothing, you're not going to starve to death.

Maybe not but you are constantly looking over your shoulder wondering when your neighbor is going to start shooting at you

When I said it's one of the worst to be poor, I am comparing it to countries that aren't 3rd world countries. I would much, much rather be poor in Canada, Sweden, Norway, England, France, Germany, Russia (well maybe not Russia), etc... These are the countries this thread is comparing the US to.... not Ethiopia.

 

[GFR]

Maybe not but you are constantly looking over your shoulder wondering when your neighbor is going to start shooting at you

When I said it's one of the worst to be poor, I am comparing it to countries that aren't 3rd world countries. I would much, much rather be poor in Canada, Sweden, Norway, England, France, Germany, Russia (well maybe not Russia), etc... These are the countries this thread is comparing the US to.... not Ethiopia.

 

[bio-chem]

I believe that was Europe. Sure the US joined at the last minute and claimed victory but it was the rest of Europe (and allied nations) that did the bulk of the work for years before the US joined. Germany was on it's way to defeat before the US joined.

bulk of the work? you mean like handing over whole countries to hitlers army without a fight. or the fact the french had the largest retreating army in the history of the world. why was it winston churchhill said he had his greatest night of sleep the day he heard of pearl harbor? oh yeah, because then he knew america would be joining the war with the allies. before d-day how well did the all british invasion of france go? this is not american pride from a poor public school system showing. this is just fact.

 

[BigDyl]

Yeah, war sucks. But for the amount of ordinance used, the civilians casualties were low. The only reason that they were as high as they were is that Saddam liked to place his military in civilian areas.

To put this war into perspective, I say that the US should make an example of the next country to earn our ire. Just carpet bomb the whole damn country from one end to the other. Take North Korea for example, it has a surface area slightly less than that of Mississippi. It wouldn't take much ordinance to level the whole thing.

True Story, because "wars are bad" that justifies all atrocities.

 

[NeilPearson]

bulk of the work? you mean like handing over whole countries to hitlers army without a fight. or the fact the french had the largest retreating army in the history of the world. why was it winston churchhill said he had his greatest night of sleep the day he heard of pearl harbor? oh yeah, because then he knew america would be joining the war with the allies. before d-day how well did the all british invasion of france go? this is not american pride from a poor public school system showing. this is just fact.

blah, blah, blah... Germany was weak after all the years of fighting. They didn't hand over countries without a fight... well maybe France did. Russia was all about kicking some German ass though.

 

[ALBOB]

blah, blah, blah... Germany was weak after all the years of fighting. They didn't hand over countries without a fight... well maybe France did. Russia was all about kicking some German ass though.

OK, we've established your take on our pathetic American school system, where exactly are you getting your "facts" from?

 

[NeilPearson]

OK, we've established your take on our pathetic American school system, where exactly are you getting your "facts" from?

duh, I'm making them up to piss people off

 

[Doublebase]

I never lived or visited another country.

 

[DOMS]

Maybe not but you are constantly looking over your shoulder wondering when your neighbor is going to start shooting at you

When I said it's one of the worst to be poor, I am comparing it to countries that aren't 3rd world countries. I would much, much rather be poor in Canada, Sweden, Norway, England, France, Germany, Russia (well maybe not Russia), etc... These are the countries this thread is comparing the US to.... not Ethiopia.

"Maybe not Russia"? Here again you're talking about something you don't seem to know much about. Russia is a definite "no." Germany has an unemployment of almost 12% and France has an unemployment rate of 10%. You're more likely to be poor in any of those countries. Your odds of rising above poverty in these countries is slim to none.

Once again, you, like so many others, are comparing apples to oranges. Take Norway for example. They have a population of about 4.5 million. My home county of Los Angeles has a population of over 11 million. And that's just one county in this country. It's much easier to support a small group in a small geographic location than one the population and size of the US. Yes, you're odds of being poor in the those small countries is slimmer than in the US, but your odds of rising in station are also just as slim.

Add to that the homogeneous nature of countries like Norway. Norway is 100% Norwegian except 20,000 Sami. In the US we have to deal with the minorities who skew all the statistics. Minorities account for just over 18% of the population, most of which live under the poverty level.

No country has more opportunities to rise above poverty than the US. None. Period.

Lastly, have you ever actually been poor? Or are talking about something which you really know little about?

 

[GFR]

No country has more opportunities to rise above poverty than the US. None. Period.

Prove it, I want details of all the 188 other countries employment, average income, cost of living, opportunities ect...

 

[NeilPearson]

"Maybe not Russia"? Here again you're talking about something you don't seem to know much about. Russia is a definite "no." Germany has an unemployment of almost 12% and France has an unemployment rate of 10%. You're more likely to be poor in any of those countries. Your odds of rising above poverty in these countries is slim to none.

Once again, you, like so many others, are comparing apples to oranges. Take Norway for example. They have a population of about 4.5 million. My home county of Los Angeles has a population of over 11 million. And that's just one county in this country. It's much easier to support a small group in a small geographic location than one the population and size of the US. Yes, you're odds of being poor in the those small countries is slimmer than in the US, but your odds of rising in station are also just as slim.

Add to that the homogeneous nature of countries like Norway. Norway is 100% Norwegian except 20,000 Sami. In the US we have to deal with the minorities who skew all the statistics. Minorities account for just over 18% of the population, most of which live under the poverty level.

No country has more opportunities to rise above poverty than the US. None. Period.

Lastly, have you ever actually been poor? Or are talking about something which you really know little about?

I'm not referring to the unemployment rate. There are many people living in areas of the US that are employed but are still very poor. What I am talking about is this... Drive to the poor areas of Phoenix (where I live) or Chicago or Detroit and have a look at how those people live. Many are employed. Many are single parents working 2 or 3 jobs to try and support themselves in a gang infested neighborhood. You really think it is that easy for these people to rise above it? Education and high paying jobs just don't come real easy for these people.... and there are a lot of them.

The truth is, I would rather be unemployed in many of those listed countries than employed in the US making < $30,000. The neighorhoods are better. They have less crime. They are cleaner. There are more government programs to help people. Unemployed Canadians can have a standard of living that is quite a bit better than poor employed Americans.

Family and friends visit me from Canada and I often take them for a drive to south Phoenix to see the neighborhoods... because they have never seen people live like that except on tv. There just aren't neighborhoods like that in western Canada where they are from. I also take them to neighborhoods like Paradise Valley and Scottsdale because there aren't really neighorhoods like that either. The US has extreme highs and lows. Canada is much more middle class without the extremes either way.... which is why I am here in the US. I had the education and the skillset to make more than the average American... and my lifestyle in the US is better than it would be in Canada. If I was poor though, I would much rather be in Canada.

And whether or not I was ever poor is really irrelevant but yes, I was poor for a while as a kid in a single parent home. But that was in Canada and although I was in one of the poorest areas of the town I grew up in, there were no gangs or violence and I was safe to walk around at night. So yeah, I was poor in Canada but I have never been poor like the poor in the US.

My poor Canadian lifestyle was kind of middle class by Canadian standards.

And don't blame it on minority groups. Canada have just as many if not more minorities and we don't see slums up there like we do in the US.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Aside from the US, the only other place I would live is in Canada. I found the people in Canada to be nicer, and the whole scene there to be cool. This is in Montreal, of course.

I would still choose the US, though. I think the better opportunities are here, financially. The women in Canada are far better than the ones in the US, on an order of at least 10 times better in essentially every category you could possibly think of. Looks, attitude, looks, friendliness, looks, breasts, ass, you name it they are better. I could do without the smoking, though.

 

[brogers]

Yeah, war sucks. But for the amount of ordinance used, the civilians casualties were low. The only reason that they were as high as they were is that Saddam liked to place his military in civilian areas.

To put this war into perspective, I say that the US should make an example of the next country to earn our ire. Just carpet bomb the whole damn country from one end to the other. Take North Korea for example, it has a surface area slightly less than that of Mississippi. It wouldn't take much ordinance to level the whole thing.

Sadaam killed tons of civilians, yet the largely liberal, "America is wrong, America is bad" apologist morons try to point out any bad thing that happens, despite the fact we are trying our best to minimize it. It's absolutely disgusting. Where were they when Sadaam's fedayeen soldiers were cutting the heads off accused prostitutes/adulterers in the streets? When the kurds were being gassed? When girls were raped by his government?

Our efforts to reduce causalities are vastly greater than any other country in the history of the world has ever made. We have given more money than any other nation, yet we still have idiots trying to shed a bad light on us.

Love it or leave it.

 

[ALBOB]

Sadaam killed tons of civilians, yet the largely liberal, "America is wrong, America is bad" apologist morons try to point out any bad thing that happens, despite the fact we are trying our best to minimize it. It's absolutely disgusting. Where were they when Sadaam's fedayeen soldiers were cutting the heads off accused prostitutes/adulterers in the streets? When the kurds were being gassed? When girls were raped by his government?

Our efforts to reduce causalities are vastly greater than any other country in the history of the world has ever made. We have given more money than any other nation, yet we still have idiots trying to shed a bad light on us.

Love it or leave it.

Hope you're wearing your lead lined underwear because those "liberal apologists" are getting ready to nuke you.

Cue: Decker, Mr. Snafu, Foremanrules, BigDyl, etc.

 

[lnvanry]

I had to move somewhere outside home (US) I would pick Austalia..I've never been there though. I can think of more beautiful places, but a lot of those paradise like countries (Greek Island/souther Spain etc.) have no work amibition.

Canada would be close second, but its got to be fucking cold up there

 

[ALBOB]

I had to move somewhere outside home (US) I would pick Austalia..I've never been there though. I can think of more beautiful places, but a lot of those paradise like countries (Greek Island/souther Spain etc.) have no work amibition.

Canada would be close second, but its got to be fucking cold up there

Never checked into it, but I've heard Australia has very tough imigration laws. They love tourists, but definitely make sure they go home after their trip is over.

 

[Decker]

Sadaam killed tons of civilians, yet the largely liberal, "America is wrong, America is bad" apologist morons try to point out any bad thing that happens, despite the fact we are trying our best to minimize it. It's absolutely disgusting. Where were they when Sadaam's fedayeen soldiers were cutting the heads off accused prostitutes/adulterers in the streets? When the kurds were being gassed? When girls were raped by his government? ....

Thank you Albob, I'll take it from here.

I was at the same place George Bush Sr. was at when this shit happened, out playing golf.

Of course I was a kid and he was a President who let this shit happen after pulling US support for the Kurdish uprising.

Of course when I learned of the Kurdish gassing, I stopped my round of golf and went home feeling a litttle bad.

I hear Bush Sr. went for 36 holes that day.

 

[ALBOB]

I hear Bush Sr. went for 36 holes that day.

I wonder what he shot?

 

[Decker]

I wonder what he shot?

Almost every president plays golf but you never hear the scores. I did hear that Clinton was a cheater, but hell, back in those heady days everything he did was reviled.

 

[ALBOB]

Almost every president plays golf but you never hear the scores. I did hear that Clinton was a cheater, but hell, back in those heady days everything he did was reviled.

I actually heard Slick Willy was pretty good. Golf - the only damn thing I could ever respect that man for.

Ah, who am I kidding? He used his position to get laid. I'm enough of a disgusting pig to respect that too. I just wish he would have done the right thing and said, "Yeah, I screwed her. So what? Politicians have been screwing their constituents for as long as there have been politicians. Get over it." Now THAT would have been respectable."

P.S. They can't post Gerald Ford's scores. They're still being calculated.

 

[Decker]

I actually heard Slick Willy was pretty good. Golf - the only damn thing I could ever respect that man for.

Ah, who am I kidding? He used his position to get laid. I'm enough of a disgusting pig to respect that too. I just wish he would have done the right thing and said, "Yeah, I screwed her. So what? Politicians have been screwing their constituents for as long as there have been politicians. Get over it." Now THAT would have been respectable."

P.S. They can't post Gerald Ford's scores. They're still being calculated.

I always wondered why people hated Clinton viscerally. Here's a guy who's smarter than anyone, a polished speaker, never caught at a loss for words...I mean don't you want someone that can think on his feet as president? He loved the ladies though. Guilty as charged.

Hey Al--good one on Ford hahahaha--have you ever seen anything as funny as Pres. Ford falling down the stairs of Airforce 1? I think shit like that is hilarious...I'm a Stooges fan myself.

 

[ALBOB]

I always wondered why people hated Clinton viscerally. Here's a guy who's smarter than anyone, a polished speaker, never caught at a loss for words...I mean don't you want someone that can think on his feet as president? He loved the ladies though. Guilty as charged.

Hey Al--good one on Ford hahahaha--have you ever seen anything as funny as Pres. Ford falling down the stairs of Airforce 1? I think shit like that is hilarious...I'm a Stooges fan myself.

"Viscerally" is the operative word. Nothing I could really put my finger on, I just HATE him. To my very core. Can't even WATCH him speak, much less listen. Now his other half is in front of every camera in the country spewing her vile garbage. Don't even bother asking for facts, figures, examples, etc., I have none. Just a deep seated HATE for those two. Kind of how some on your side feel about GWB. Calgon take me away.

The only thing as funny as him tumbling down the stairs of Air Force One is him doing a full gainer on an icy sidewalk. In that respect he was definitely the fourth stooge.

 

[Nick+]

I never cease to be amazed by you Americans.........

 

[Dale Mabry]

I wonder what he shot?

Probably a black guy.

 

[BigDyl]

"Viscerally" is the operative word. Nothing I could really put my finger on, I just HATE him. To my very core. Can't even WATCH him speak, much less listen. Now his other half is in front of every camera in the country spewing her vile garbage. Don't even bother asking for facts, figures, examples, etc., I have none. Just a deep seated HATE for those two. Kind of how some on your side feel about GWB. Calgon take me away.

The only thing as funny as him tumbling down the stairs of Air Force One is him doing a full gainer on an icy sidewalk. In that respect he was definitely the fourth stooge.

True Story, but we actually have a reason to dislike GW.

 

[maniclion]

Hawaii is the best country in the World.

 

[DOMS]

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The truth is, I would rather be unemployed in many of those listed countries than employed in the US making < $30,000. The neighorhoods are better. They have less crime. They are cleaner. There are more government programs to help people. Unemployed Canadians can have a standard of living that is quite a bit better than poor employed Americans.

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And whether or not I was ever poor is really irrelevant but yes, I was poor for a while as a kid in a single parent home. But that was in Canada and although I was in one of the poorest areas of the town I grew up in, there were no gangs or violence and I was safe to walk around at night. So yeah, I was poor in Canada but I have never been poor like the poor in the US.

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And don't blame it on minority groups. Canada have just as many if not more minorities and we don't see slums up there like we do in the US.

I misunderstood your measure of being poor. I thought you were talking about access to food and opportunities to rise above poverty. Now I see you're referring to the quality of neighborhoods.

"And don't blame it on minority groups." Bullshit. It all comes down to minorities. They constitute 18% of the population but commit over 60% of all murders, not to mention all other violent crimes.

 

[NeilPearson]

"And don't blame it on minority groups." Bullshit. It all comes down to minorities. They constitute 18% of the population but commit over 60% of all murders, not to mention all other violent crimes.

Funny, they don't seem to cause trouble in Canada.

 

[DOMS]

Funny, they don't seem to cause trouble in Canada.

They are in the US.

 

[NeilPearson]

They are in the US.

They have them in Canada too