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The greatest heavyweight boxer of all time
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BoneCrusher said:
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
I know I'm defending Lewis and wanted to make note that I voted for The Brown Bomber ... Big Joe.
Ali, he took Foreman's and Ernie Shavers punches both of which were the hardest punchers around.
<LI>Muhammad Ali: 6' 3" 212 lbs. The fastest heavyweight of all time of hand or foot. Blinding speed in combination. A quick rapier-like jab. One of the strongest chins in heavyweight history, his heart and courage are unquestionable. Faced the stiffest competition in division history and came out on top. The only knock on Ali was that he ignored classical defense. He held his hands low, he leaned away from punches. These tactics are normally suicidal. However, Ali's great sense of distance and timing, combined with his natural athletic ability (speed, reflexes, and ability to absorb punishment) allowed him to escape from his errors. This does not mean he was invicincible. He was nearly kayoed by Cooper, and beaten by both Frazier and Norton.
Rope-a-dope.....the man was sweet.
Rope-a-dope.....the man was sweet.
My number 2
Mike Tyson: 5' 10 1/2" 216 lbs. "Iron" Mike Tyson was one of the most menacing and devastating punchers in boxing history. He possessed great hand speed and explosive power. He was an outstanding combination puncher. In his prime he exhibited good head movement and defensive slipping and countering. He had a strong chin and could not be taken out by one punch. However he was a "front-runner" with psychological weaknesses who did not fight well in the face of aggressive counter-punching. Had a tendency to get wild and became a punch at a time stalker when he fell behind. Losses to Buster Douglas and Evander Holyfield proved a smart combination puncher who was not afraid of him could beat him.
Mike Tyson: 5' 10 1/2" 216 lbs. "Iron" Mike Tyson was one of the most menacing and devastating punchers in boxing history. He possessed great hand speed and explosive power. He was an outstanding combination puncher. In his prime he exhibited good head movement and defensive slipping and countering. He had a strong chin and could not be taken out by one punch. However he was a "front-runner" with psychological weaknesses who did not fight well in the face of aggressive counter-punching. Had a tendency to get wild and became a punch at a time stalker when he fell behind. Losses to Buster Douglas and Evander Holyfield proved a smart combination puncher who was not afraid of him could beat him.
Flex said:
I agree with Flex. Best at the time doesnt mean best now. The wilt comparison is perfect. Wilt would get schooled now.
Iron Mike before he went crazy and went to prision would be the best. Ali never came close to being hit by someone as strong as tyson. I met tyson at a bar once and that guy is just crazy looking. That and his head is as big as a watermelon.
Very wrong, Foreman in his 40's whupped guys around, Ali fought him in his prime and won.
Guess you had to see it to believe it.
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I agree that Mike was great in his prime..but Beating Ali
...Also, Lewis would tear Iron Mike apart with his jab, he's like 7 inches taller. Just because Mike is "crazy" and has so much power, doesn't mean he could take out all of the great boxers of our time.
...Also, Lewis would tear Iron Mike apart with his jab, he's like 7 inches taller. Just because Mike is "crazy" and has so much power, doesn't mean he could take out all of the great boxers of our time.
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Well I guess that's point. You don't hear us saying, if ______ wasn't _______, he would have been the greatest. Tyson was a moron and a rapist and etc.etc. therefore he was not the greatest heavyweight of all time.Newt said:Look, if Tyson wasn't INSANE and could keep his hand and dick to himself then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
The one single test of Tyson's ability to handle a truely gifted large fighter was vs. Lennox Lewis. He sparred with Lewis as an amature and after a few rounds was ineffective. His trainers ended that and sent Lewis back to England. As a pro Tyson RAN from Lewis for his entire career until he had no chance but to fight Lewis or retire from boxng. If Tyson was afraid to fight Lewis after spparing with him why would anyone in his right mind think he could beat him.
Once Don King had control of Tyson not one single fighter with less than 4 losses was allowed in the ring with Tyson with the exception of Buster Douglas ... he had been beaten twice with the odds in Vegas at 42-1 in favor of Iron Mike. Kinda funny that one of the two boxers Tyson was avoiding then beat the man that took Tyson's tittle. Tyson even avoided Holyfield for a long time and Holyfield was weighing in at a romping 197 pounds when he came up to the heavyweight devision. Tyson was a great fighter without a doubt but not ONE of the greatest ever or even one of the best of our times. His punk ass actions both in and out of the ring should end his mention along side the names of such great people as Ali or Joe Luis.
I'll step off my soap-box now ...
Once Don King had control of Tyson not one single fighter with less than 4 losses was allowed in the ring with Tyson with the exception of Buster Douglas ... he had been beaten twice with the odds in Vegas at 42-1 in favor of Iron Mike. Kinda funny that one of the two boxers Tyson was avoiding then beat the man that took Tyson's tittle. Tyson even avoided Holyfield for a long time and Holyfield was weighing in at a romping 197 pounds when he came up to the heavyweight devision. Tyson was a great fighter without a doubt but not ONE of the greatest ever or even one of the best of our times. His punk ass actions both in and out of the ring should end his mention along side the names of such great people as Ali or Joe Luis.
I'll step off my soap-box now ...
You know what you're talkin' about mate. I couldn't agree more, Tyson doesn't deserve to be classed in the same league as the likes of Louis and Ali. You didn'tsee the great Joe Louis going for the bite on Schmelling's ear....it would have been a nice touch though.
Bone, you and the other guys have some good points, but were not talking about what happened OUTside the ring.
Whatever Tyson did outside has nothing to do with what he did inside.
IMO, a 21yo Tyson WHOOPS on Lewis. thats my opinion, and i'm stickin' to it.
Whatever Tyson did outside has nothing to do with what he did inside.
IMO, a 21yo Tyson WHOOPS on Lewis. thats my opinion, and i'm stickin' to it.
I agree with you 100%, He was a monster when he first came up. At the time he had a great manager and good trainer, who both kept him in check most of the time.IMO, a 21yo Tyson WHOOPS on Lewis. thats my opinion, and i'm stickin' to it.
I believe he went downhill when he got together with that idiot Robin Givens and hooked up with Don King.
Ali is probably one of the best athletes to ever live. Tyson, you got to be kidding me.
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when Tyson got knocked out by that fat bastard Buster Douglas in 1990 that was the end of Iron Mike. I don't know what he saw in Robin Givens she's not even that attractive and she's a total bitch. she sure fucked him up the head though. pre 1990 was the last time he threw an actual combination
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I'd say Ali ... too smart for most.
As for the Lewis?tyson debate, I think it would depend on which Lewis showed up. If the hard jabbing boxer showed, he easily beats Tyson. If the defensive lackluster Lewis shows up, he gets pummled.
My thoughts on Tyson are this: he intimidated people. As well he should, he was a monsterous puncher. But in all the fights that went past the first couple of rounds, the punching bags he fought boxed for the most part. Buster was the very first who was not intimidated nor did he shy away from Tyson. And the keep, he keep Tyson at bay with a jab ... very very simple, a jab combined with movement. It's hard to Tyson to unload on someone when he has to continually deal with a jab and movement. He can't deal with it. He always has a punchers chance, but being that he would almost always be the smaller in height, a larger man only has to jab his way to victory. On that same thought, I would have loved to see a Larry Holmes in his prime battle Tyson. Holmes had a punishing jab ... it was thunder.
As for the Lewis?tyson debate, I think it would depend on which Lewis showed up. If the hard jabbing boxer showed, he easily beats Tyson. If the defensive lackluster Lewis shows up, he gets pummled.
My thoughts on Tyson are this: he intimidated people. As well he should, he was a monsterous puncher. But in all the fights that went past the first couple of rounds, the punching bags he fought boxed for the most part. Buster was the very first who was not intimidated nor did he shy away from Tyson. And the keep, he keep Tyson at bay with a jab ... very very simple, a jab combined with movement. It's hard to Tyson to unload on someone when he has to continually deal with a jab and movement. He can't deal with it. He always has a punchers chance, but being that he would almost always be the smaller in height, a larger man only has to jab his way to victory. On that same thought, I would have loved to see a Larry Holmes in his prime battle Tyson. Holmes had a punishing jab ... it was thunder.
Lennox Lewis is a bitch. Barely escaped Klitschko and won't fight him again.
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Ali did more for the sport of boxing than any other person in it's history. He made it a household sport. He was flamboyant, and man could the dude box! Fastest hands on a heavyweight ever!!!
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Tyson was a dumb ass wasn't he. He said and did some shit that was unreal. But he was strong as hell!
If Cus D'Amato hadn't died when he did, Tyson would prolly still be champ.
TOTALLY AGREE!! And I'm going to go as far to say Lennox was good but doesn't rate to be on this poll PERIOD, I like a lot of boxers on the list, I like Tyson the least (besides Lennox), but I do like him and he rated to be called "great" and etched in his name on boxing history books long ago for both good things and bad(allthough the bad things happened on his career downslide), granted the greatness diminished quickly,but Lennox never quite "cleared the bar" IMO to ever be called great. In a nutshell every boxer on that list will always be remembered in boxing history they're unforgetable, except Lennox. Like I said he was good but he was and is forgetable. Hell Butterbean is more un-forgetable than Lennox.musclepump said:
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Tyson was his own worst enemy. He absolutely 100% depended on psyching his opponent out before a fight and if you had the audacity to stand up to him and punch back he was mentally beaten. Tyson could NOT fight backing up and relied on coming forward against scared shitless opponents.
IMO, it is silly to put Tyson in the same category with true warriors like Ali, Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, and Johnson. People love him because he is a RECENT dominate heavyweight who scared quick KO's against bums or fighters way past their primes.
IMO, it is silly to put Tyson in the same category with true warriors like Ali, Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, and Johnson. People love him because he is a RECENT dominate heavyweight who scared quick KO's against bums or fighters way past their primes.
I guess he finally got Lennox Lewises kid. 
