I reasd all the flak I received on my last post about tricep training. I still am sticking to my guns. About 9 years ago I was having allot of probelms with my right elbow. It was makign weird cracking noises. I stopped doing any extensions and just did weighted dips and close grip benches. Then one day my elbow popped and I had to have surgery on my elbow to reattache the tricep tendon. It took me along time to recover. After a year of goofing around I finaly got back to close grip benches and pully pushdowns. I noticed that I didnt have that old horeshoe flare and full look to me triceps. After another couple of years I started doing overhead tricep extensions with an E-Z bar and light wieght lyng ext with an e-z bar. In a matter of six months my triceps looked at least 25 percent fuller. I have spoke to other liftes and most of them agree that thes two movements must be on your routine. I firmly believe the close grip bench is a movemtn that works more front delt than anything. I believe the reason that most people have elbow probelms is poor warm ups and and poor attention to stretching and form. Look at Gustavo, his main tricep exrecise is incline tricep ext, Troy Alves favorite if lying tricep ext, both known for their excellent triceps.